THE BEST DD - with comparisons to other builds to prove it

[bandyman1]

actually i think its because my attack bonus is usually significantly higher, each point higher is essentially 5% more dps

How the hell do you figure that? What you posted has +29 with PA on ( which you included in your damage numbers ), assuming you " get everything you want to drop for you ". Maldini's build is +28 with PA on ( with the extra damage enhancements ). SoS barb is outdamaging you by a lot more than 5%.

[bandyman1]

Lol. Thought you might log on that one.

*pats Shroonith on head*
"It's OK. Bandy will make sure the bad barbarian with the big sword doesn't kill more monsters then your little TWFing drow. "
*puts finger to lips*
" Shhh.....go back to sleep now"

[Shroonith]

+3 to attack from deception/backstabbing brings that to a 4 attack power difference, and deception is constantly procing. 4 attack power is 20% damage.

[bandyman1]

+3 to attack from deception/backstabbing brings that to a 4 attack power difference, and deception is constantly procing. 4 attack power is 20% damage.

And this is the problem you have. In a perfect world, you'd get the BS bonus on every hit. But........it's not a perfect world.

[Shroonith]

i pretty much do.

[bandyman1]

i pretty much do.

Dude....I have treason on my rogue. No.....you don't.

[Shroonith]

do u use a deception weapon in ur other hand?

[bandyman1]

Nope. But even if you do, it's not 100%. So you can't say +20%, and you'd have to rework your original damage numbers.

[Shroonith]

ok i will, just make a barb for me to compare to.

[bandyman1]

Already have one. She's only lvl 3 atm though. Give me about a week, week and a half. I'll be ready.

[Shroonith]

i meant post ur build... lol.
also post your ideal max gear and weapon

[Impaqt]

My Rogue build Dual Weilds Treason with a Seeker+10 of Deception int he offhand.. The damage numbers are just plain Sick on a crit... Especially for a Finesse fighter (100+ Easy)

That being said, I generally pull aggro when I do that.... Where I lose my Sneak attack...

so which is it? Do you have aggro all the time (THus nullifying your sneak attack bonus') or are you doing massive damage because of your backstabber bonus?

[Shroonith]

when deception procs it allows you to sneak attack while having agro.

[EinarMal]

This is one of the silliest threads I have ever seen. Why are you even arguing about this.

1. The build is nothing new a strength based TWF (big deal)
2. A str based Barb with SOS outdamges everyone

The End....

Comparing sneak damage and things like that is silly that is situational and does not compare with the consistent damage over time of a max strength Barb with a SOS. You cannot count on a chance of deception firing every fight. For that matter what if the Barb has stunning blow are you going to count them getting criticals every hit? Where does that logic end maybe I have UMD and can use a hold person wand and all the mobs could roll a 1 on their saves and I can auto crit them all....

[Geriant]

I have no dog in this fight, but I do have some nice weapons I use that happen to have deception on them. It does not proc enough for anyone to consistantly rely upon it when computing damage. Even dual-wielding them won't make that large of a difference to consider it. It's a nice bonus when it happens, but it's definitely not a common occurance.

~G

[bandyman1]

I have no dog in this fight, but I do have some nice weapons I use that happen to have deception on them. It does not proc enough for anyone to consistantly rely upon it when computing damage. Even dual-wielding them won't make that large of a difference to consider it. It's a nice bonus when it happens, but it's definitely not a common occurance.

~G

Exactly.
Which puts the OP right where I started in my first post;
Nice build. Impressive DPS. But it doesn't match a barb.

[Shade]

come do the reaver with me one day and well see who has agro (even with my treason)

Another glaring error is to think having agro on the stormreaver means your DPS is the highest.

FYI: All raid boss agro is semi random, it needs to be to present any kind of challenge, and to prevent many many exploits (which were being done often before the patch that made all there agros random) They all switch agro at some point in the fight regardless of there current "hate" levels.

Stormreaver in particularly switchs agro everytime his current target goes out of range or he simply cant seem to hit his target (IE he uses reverse gravity)
After you land he will pick a random target, maybe the cleric.. But switch to the target who generates X amount of hate on him after 5 seconds or so. After which he won't switch targets again no matter what DPS your doing, be it 1000 dmg vs 0 on the guy who got agro, not until next reverse grav.

So holding agro means you can hit him quickly, but holds no relation to dps.

[Slayer918]

lol I could improve your DPS +3 damage w/ 1 change... and still wouldnt be close to a barb...

Best Damage Done?...

[Maldini]

Someone post the gear of a maxed barbarian and what spells he has on, i will run the full numbers and post them here with a comparison in similar gear and spells (obivously different weapons) to my own build .

You can only compare self buffs because everyone can get group buffs.

40 Strength raged without Rage spell or Madstone.

+16 Damage with Barb PA III

Those are the only numbers you need to compare with a Barbarian.

[Shroonith]

what weapon? - also stuff like good hope will have different effects on dps for each.