My Barb...

[Blazer]

I would agree that Spring Attack wouldn't be a good idea. It is another annoying click you gotta use in combat.

No click for SA, it just means you don't suffer that -4 penalty to attack while moving. It's a passive feat.

[Roguewiz]

No click for SA, it just means you don't suffer that -4 penalty to attack while moving. It's a passive feat.

Ah, similiar to shot on the run...Got it

Then yea, going the entire progression to get spring attack is a waste. Especially if you have a good static group with a crowd control sorcerer =p

[BUpcott]

I don't think the "gimped" nature of this character was strictly revolving around the 16 vs 18 STR arguement. Rather, it was on spending 3 feats on the Spring Attack line and using falchions rather than the THF line and using greataxes. At least, that's how I took it.

Not all that familiar with the THF feats but don't they just increase the dmg of glancing blows?

[Blazer]

Not all that familiar with the THF feats but don't they just increase the dmg of glancing blows?

They do add a bit more damage when using a 2hander, but yes, they also increase glancing blow damage, which can add up to an additional 20-25 damage on the 1st and 4th swings (via GTHF) to all mobs in your arc. Consistent AOE melee damage. Shade posted a thread about it, lemme see if I can find it.

EDIT: Here it is.

[BUpcott]

Falchion: 2d4, 18-20/x2 Crit = Max hit with her build = 92 dmg, 14-20/x2 Crit (i think)
Great Axe: 1d12, 20/x3 Crit = Max hit with her build = 186 dmg, 17-20/x3 Crit (i think)

math looks right with power crit 2 a falchion becomes 13-20 is the only thing that looks off.

[Blazer]

math looks right with power crit 2 a falchion becomes 13-20 is the only thing that looks off.

Yes, but you said you're only going PC I. And the greataxe is only 18-20 with PC I. 20/x3, 19-20 with Improved Critical, 18-20 with the first rage crit enhancement, 17-20 with the 2nd tier.

[BUpcott]

Yes, but you said you're only going PC I.

Yea (tho I am not set on enhancement as they are pretty easy to change around to try different things). Only pointed it though because he had GAs at 17-20.

Thanks for the link too blazer

[Blazer]

Yea (tho I am not set on enhancement as they are pretty easy to change around to try different things). Only pointed it though because he had GAs at 17-20.

Thanks for the link too blazer

Yeah, he had GAs incorrectly listed. NP.

[Roguewiz]

Yea (tho I am not set on enhancement as they are pretty easy to change around to try different things). Only pointed it though because he had GAs at 17-20.

Thanks for the link too blazer

Typo on my part

[Sydril]

Wants an insane will save I guess.

My barb started 10 wis. Has 29 will save now with max dwarf spell resist, no will rage.

Could someone elaborate on how this is possible with a pure barb?

[BUpcott]

Could someone elaborate on how this is possible with a pure barb?

This being from another post and the will only being at 18 buffed up I am curious too....

Why you don't need toughness:
http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/8...ot01530ku1.jpg
(my build starts 16 con and no toughness and does not max the con enhancements)

[mgoldb2]

This being from another post and the will only being at 18 buffed up I am curious too....

He is including a few things that won’t show up on that stat sheet. +4 intolerable will don’t show up on stat sheet because it specific to enchantment but how many will saves have you made that was not from an enchantment?

There another +2 from being dwarf that won’t show up on that stat sheet since it against all spell effects. How many will saves have you made that was not a spell effect?

In that pic he wa not using his +5 wis item. That another +3.

He also properly took that pic before he got a head of good fortune or was not using it in that pic which another +2.

And there you got 18+4+2+3+2=29 will save

(shade can correct me if am wrong where he got the numbers from but am pretty certain that where the 29 come from)

[BUpcott]

He is including a few things that won’t show up on that stat sheet. +4 intolerable will don’t show up on stat sheet because it specific to enchantment but how many will saves have you made that was not from an enchantment?

There another +2 from being dwarf that won’t show up on that stat sheet since it against all spell effects. How many will saves have you made that was not a spell effect?

In that pic he not was using his +5 wis item. That another +3.

He also properly took that pic before he got a head of good fortune or was not using it in that pic which another +2.

And there you got 18+4+2+3+2=29 will save

(shade can correct me if am wrong where he got the numbers from but am pretty certain that where the 29 come from)

I know about the dwaven spell effect save; he said he didn't have the head of good fortune yet either. However those outta the way does he just throw on +5 wis when he is about to make a will save. I don't doubt that he can get up to 29 just curious on how he maintains it.

[sigtrent]

If you can think of a possible will save bonus... shade is probably including it in his calculation.

[BUpcott]

Update

Capped, and loving it. Crits on 13-20 for min 90 pts. Alright so its not 150 like a great axe or maul. But the amount of times I crit is generally more than a GA or Maul.
Umm other comments on the build saves are rocking.