Arcane Raise Dead

**Lithic** · 08-10-2007, 01:37 AM

It would be real nice if arcanes could get a construct-only version of raise dead.

In my guild we are headed towards occasional all-WF parties soon, and it would be nice not to have to rely on UMD to raise our fellow constructs.

Thoughts?

**Tavok** · 08-10-2007, 01:44 AM

WF cleric. They can be great battleclerics and provide the essential clerical things for robots.

**Uska** · 08-10-2007, 01:51 AM

Hmmph sorry very sleepy and at work so dont have my book to refresh my memory but they need to add the class from the eberron book and give that class a higher level spell to do that. But not wizards or socerers in general

**Lorien_the_First_One** · 08-10-2007, 08:08 AM

That seems reasonable...

**blakbyrd** · 08-10-2007, 08:27 AM

Originally Posted by Uska d'Orien

Hmmph sorry very sleepy and at work so dont have my book to refresh my memory but they need to add the class from the eberron book and give that class a higher level spell to do that. But not wizards or socerers in general

You referring to the Artificers? If so it has been asked for, for a long time. Never heard a peep out of Turbine about or even acknowledging them, so I'm not sure I would hold my breath on that one.

**Ghoste** · 08-10-2007, 08:39 AM

This goes back to the argument of whether or not warforged have souls. It has not yet been officially confirmed whether or not they do in fact have souls.

If they do have souls, then this would be the realm of divine magic to lead that soul back to the body. If not, then arcane magic should be enough to do it.

If you dont want to make a wf cleric, try a bard. There's a great build for a wf battle bard in the bard section of these forums.

Originally Posted by Uska d'Orien

Hmmph sorry very sleepy and at work so dont have my book to refresh my memory but they need to add the class from the eberron book and give that class a higher level spell to do that. But not wizards or socerers in general

Is that the recaster you're refering to? They get access to a couple spells of their choice from other classes, but this prestige class is only available to shifters. Artificers would also be able to fill this role with umd.

**Dasha** · 08-10-2007, 08:45 AM

now if they could bring in Reincarnation.. (Im a 1st ed guy don't know if its 3rd).. that would be wicked cool...

**Ziggy** · 08-10-2007, 09:04 AM

Originally Posted by Dasha

now if they could bring in Reincarnation.. (Im a 1st ed guy don't know if its 3rd).. that would be wicked cool...

it is its available to druids.

**llevenbaxx** · 08-10-2007, 09:32 AM

Dont like the idea. Would be handy at times Ill admit but would just feel very wrong for arcanes to have the ability to bring anyone back to life. Animate a dead body sure

, but to breathe the life into a being should always require the divine. Even for robots.

**Ziggy** · 08-10-2007, 09:46 AM

Originally Posted by llevenbaxx

Dont like the idea. Would be handy at times Ill admit but would just feel very wrong for arcanes to have the ability to bring anyone back to life. Animate a dead body sure

, but to breathe the life into a being should always require the divine. Even for robots.

well clerics didnt have anything to do with WF being created did they?

Im pretty sure it was all arcane magic that "breathed the life" into WF.

**llevenbaxx** · 08-10-2007, 10:01 AM

Originally Posted by Ziggy

well clerics didnt have anything to do with WF being created did they?

Im pretty sure it was all arcane magic that "breathed the life" into WF.

In that case Im all for it. Feels wrong from an overall D&D balance perspective but if its in the Ebberon lore(which im not overly familiar with obviously

) it should prolly have some means to repeat what has already been done.

**Ghoste** · 08-10-2007, 10:04 AM

Originally Posted by Ziggy

well clerics didnt have anything to do with WF being created did they?

Im pretty sure it was all arcane magic that "breathed the life" into WF.

Artificers built the creation forges and artificer magic is not classified; it is neither arcane, nor divine. However, they can still make items with arcane and/or divine magic by making umd checks. So the creation forges could have had divine magic involved. The details of their crafting is however a very closely guarded secret.

**Ziggy** · 08-10-2007, 10:06 AM

Originally Posted by llevenbaxx

In that case Im all for it. Feels wrong from an overall D&D balance perspective but if its in the Ebberon lore(which im not overly familiar with obviously

) it should prolly have some means to repeat what has already been done.

oh i got no real idea really. Im pretty sure it was all arcane that got the WF up and running as it were.

I also have no idea if such a "repair" spell exists.

**Lithic** · 08-10-2007, 10:08 AM

Originally Posted by llevenbaxx

Dont like the idea. Would be handy at times Ill admit but would just feel very wrong for arcanes to have the ability to bring anyone back to life. Animate a dead body sure

, but to breathe the life into a being should always require the divine. Even for robots.

I don't see how animating a dead body is all that different than raising a dead toaster...err i mean construct

As for WF clerics, they cant heal the other WF very well, and raise dead is easy enough with UMD for our WF sorcs.

In any case, raising the dead WF isnt really the point. I just think its a natural progression to give arcanes the ability to raise WF, since they get all the repair spells.

**Ghoste** · 08-10-2007, 10:15 AM

Originally Posted by Lithic

I don't see how animating a dead body is all that different than raising a dead toaster...err i mean construct

Necromancy vs healing, completely different schools of magic. Arcanes dont have access to the latter.

As for WF clerics, they cant heal the other WF very well, and raise dead is easy enough with UMD for our WF sorcs. WF clerics in all WF parties are better off being buff/battle clerics and leaving it to the arcanes to repair (since they have 2x the efficacy at it).

In any case, raising the dead WF isnt really the point. I just think its a natural progression to give arcanes the ability to raise WF, since they get all the repair spells. Again, repair is a totally different realm of magic from raise dead. There is nothing natural about progression from the one to the other

**Shaamis** · 08-10-2007, 10:15 AM

Originally Posted by Dasha

now if they could bring in Reincarnation.. (Im a 1st ed guy don't know if its 3rd).. that would be wicked cool...

Reincarnation would be AWESOME.

Imagine....

Player #1: I am bored today, wonder what it would be like to be a female dwarf!
Player #2: Let's find out! I'll go get my cleric/druid, and we'll have some fun seeing what random race/gender we can get!
Player#1: Cool!

/signed /signed /signed /signed /signed /signed

**Lorien_the_First_One** · 08-10-2007, 10:16 AM

Originally Posted by llevenbaxx

Dont like the idea. Would be handy at times Ill admit but would just feel very wrong for arcanes to have the ability to bring anyone back to life. Animate a dead body sure

, but to breathe the life into a being should always require the divine. Even for robots.

But the arcanes are the ones who breathed life into all WF the first time. If they could animate them to create them, why can't they wake them up again? It makes far more sense for arcanes to be able to raise them than for clerics to be able to do it.

**Ghoste** · 08-10-2007, 10:18 AM

Originally Posted by Lorien the First One

But the arcanes are the ones who breathed life into all WF the first time. If they could animate them to create them, why can't they wake them up again? It makes far more sense for arcanes to be able to raise them than for clerics to be able to do it.

Not true. As I have already mentioned, artificers are not arcane casters. See post #12.

**Lorien_the_First_One** · 08-10-2007, 10:18 AM

Originally Posted by Ghoste

Not true. As I have already mentioned, artificers are not arcane casters.

My misunderstanding of Eberon lore then.... I'm a 3.0 person myself and never picked up an Eberon book

Still, the arcanes are the ones capable of repairing them more easily than devine casters and arcanes can create constructs so I still think it makes sense that they can do the big repair job to get them up from the dead.

Also, from a playablity standpoint, warforge get huge hatered and discrimination from a portion of the player base. Why not give Wizards/Sorc who have such an interest (particularily WF ones) the abilty to become a WF cleric of sorts?

**EinarMal** · 08-10-2007, 10:22 AM

Arcanes should be able to raise dead via the wish spell so hopefully that will make it in with level 9 spells and you will have your "wish".

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