Attn: Sarlona RAIDers

**Teufel_Hunden** · 08-08-2007, 05:06 PM

First, allow myself to introduce....ermmm.....myself. I am Teufel Hunden. I hail from former Adar. My character names are: Hoggle (13 wiz), Allina (brd 14) and Vetinari (rgr/rg 11/1). Hello and well met.

I like to consider myself a friendly player who gets along with everyone (save for a few who are squelched for being plicks) and I believe i am very new-guy friendly. I have gotten several replies about my play style and attitude, and how many people like to group w/ me. I've made many friends on Adar. Been invited to many guilds, and not blind invites but "you're a good player" invites. I haven't joined a guild (except once a while back). I always pug, save for my wife and best friend, and occasionally his wife.

Now to the meat of the issue: RAID loot mechanics.
1st, i am tired of reading about it. Fight it, Fu@$ it, its all the same. Its going to happen. However, by all means, continue to discuss it and petition it or whatever makes you smile. I just skip those posts now. Unimportant, just thought i'd mention it.

2nd. I like to go on raids. Like i said, i pug alot (read: always). I'm reading on how Guilds and Raid leaders will make rules about rolling on items if you get it, so on and so forth. If you don't roll on the item, or agree to their terms, then you are black listed from further raids. OK. Let me put this out there now. I am not rolling on anything. IF I find something in my box, then i will keep it if I want it. If I don't want it, then I will trade/sell it to someone in the party who needs it. It is my item, and as such, my choice to do with as I see fit.

So, those from Adar who've played with me before. You know me. If you want to ban me from raids, or not play w/ me because of my choice, then so be it. Sorry to lose you as an online friend. All others, MY NAMES ARE: HOGGLE, VETINARI, ALLINA a Dale. I WILL NOT be forced into your raid rules, so if you think like this, then mark my names. Do me a favor, though and let me know your names so when you put up a LFM for raids, I'll know not to ask to join.

Thank you for your time, and Hello Sarlona!

Teufel
Semper fi

PS> To prevent any further confusion, here is some additional information so you don't have to sort through all the hate: http://forums.ddo.com/showpost.php?p...5&postcount=31

**Knightrose** · 08-08-2007, 05:22 PM

Hmm.

How about if you want something, you roll on it?

Don't pick your raids pick your raid leaders.

**Teufel_Hunden** · 08-08-2007, 06:00 PM

Originally Posted by Knightrose

Hmm.

How about if you want something, you roll on it?

Don't pick your raids pick your raid leaders.

If that person who gets an item wants to put it up for roll, then sure, i'll roll on it, if i can use it. BUT, it was his decision to do that. It is my decision to not put it up for a roll. I will not ask for a roll on someone else's item. I'm not posting this to debate the mechanics on the Raid loot. That has been posted to death and has come back out the other side. No, i am posting because i wish to let the raid leaders know who i am, so they don't invite me, and so that they will, hopefully, post here to let me know who they are so I can not ask to join their raid. In effect, i am picking my raid leader, as you say. I just need to know who not to pick.

**Yvonne_Blacksword** · 08-08-2007, 06:07 PM

...
To the OP.
....
I like you.
you make sense to me...
You should be very afraid right now...
And run away.

/HUGwithasloppykiss

Warned you...

**Teufel_Hunden** · 08-08-2007, 06:33 PM

Well mrs. Blacksword...

Nice to meet you also. I look forward to questing with you.

**Yvonne_Blacksword** · 08-08-2007, 06:35 PM

The stuff on the forums about the new raid mechanic has been so heated and pointless...

Glad someone else has a similiar view...

**Kronik** · 08-08-2007, 07:13 PM

Im kinda like you in the fact that I run all PUGs. What I dont do is make demands on anyone who has invited me to run with them. Not really sure if that is what your saying or not, but if Im lucky enough to get in a good raid group, then I'll play by thier rules no matter what.

If you dont like the rules, then drop the group, which it sounds like you do anyways, so Im not flaming here. But reguardless of how you play, it is important to respect the wishes of the people running the raid. If you want to start your own raid and call the shots more power to you, but its kind of an a hole move to tag along with a group and then not play fair when the loots to be had.

Bottom line is that its up to the raid organizer to call out the rules early so people like you can drop and go find greener pastures to graze. Somehow I have a feeling that you are the kind of person who doesnt care about anyone else when it comes to loot anyways so this post is probably in vain. Oh well, we all gotta make a name for ourselves somehow!

**Knightrose** · 08-08-2007, 07:37 PM

Well I'm telling you right now then if you're in my PUG raid its a free for all. If the item benefits your character and you want it, then there's no reason you shouldn't roll on it.

I'm not down with class favortism. Too much variety in DDO to say things like 'well only a Cleric should get a Wisdome Tome'. That's sassafras!

**Tanka** · 08-08-2007, 07:54 PM

Manny, he's talking about the raid system going in with Mod 5, not what it is now.

**HorridForm** · 08-08-2007, 08:20 PM

I raid so much it doesnt matter what system is used as long as we all understand it before the chest is open ^^

* I've participated in raids where each player was allowed to pick 1 item. If no one picked the same item as another player then when the chest was opened you would get what you picked if it dropped. All other items not picked are allowed to be rolled on.

* I've witnessed in guild raids all of the players debate who was in need of the item more so then any other person in the group. OMFG Raid items won by debating.

I may not adopt this as a permant raid style, but would definately raid with you just to see how my luck turns out.

**Teufel_Hunden** · 08-08-2007, 10:01 PM

Maybe it won't be too bad. There seems to be a few of like mind, and to that, i say ALLO! Pleasure to meet you! At least i'll have a 6 man raid going. LOL.

**Garth_of_Sarlona** · 08-09-2007, 01:16 AM

I can just imagine pug raid where e.g. cloudburst appears for Wiz and giant's snotty used handkerchief appears for barbarian. Debate ensues about swapping items as OP suggest, but since there is no mechanic in the game for simultaneous/atomic swapping of items from a chest it's potentially open for nasty /squelch add shenanigans.

Garth

**Necro_Jill** · 08-09-2007, 04:41 AM

I like your post. If a guild wants the raid to play by guild rules then keep it guild. If you open it to pug it should be a free for all if for no other reason than to prevent drama.

Too much drama comes of raids, I don't think this will change ever. We just have to find common enough ground when entering a raid. Man if you see my lfm up feel free to join. If we want to run a guild raid it will be just that a guild raid. Otherwise you have to play by unpredictable pug rules.

I have my guild toons and super secret unguilded ones as well, so I plan to expect both sides of the fence. This new system should prove interesting to say the least.

Sorry for repeating what has already been said by many.

**Knightrose** · 08-09-2007, 05:32 AM

Oh...

**Moonshine** · 08-09-2007, 06:10 AM

I dont no, But this thing does bad things to puging raids. as ppl gets greedy. I like the good old fashion loot distribution. leader decides wat class and who and who maynot roll for items. shows unity when guildies accepts the call even when they want the item.

as a result there is not a single guildie of mine tat does not have atleast 5 pieces of raid loot on them. and some well lets just say have over 40.... (everyone no its just a matter of time)

this dynamics does change in pug groups as raids are ran less frequent and the new change gives the deciding powers to ppl other than the leader. So from my point of view less raids are puged and since its designed for mod5. this would be interesting as it shows the true nature of player greed

**Catiriona** · 08-09-2007, 07:35 AM

All this will do Moonie is make us more careful who we raid with...I know you and the NSR guys will be fair..just like you know our guys will. I rarely PUG...don't concider you guys PUGing, but with the new system I really doubt I will PUG any raids.

**Nuckin** · 08-09-2007, 08:20 AM

LOL im not here to flame or nethin but if u seriously pull something u dont need and there is someone in the group that can use it ur either gonna sell it or try to trade it?

Wow just wow man lol u have no respect for fellow players at all. They probably did just as much work if not more then u in the raid and ur just gonna take an item u dont need if someone wont trade u something for it?

Wow just wow lol. I am a guild leader but invite pugs into my party anytime i do a raid no prob, and i have no discrimination if i have all guildies and 1 pug they are all treated equal when it comes to the roll on the loot! Which is how it should be!!

Like earlier today i 4 manned the reaver with 2 other guildies and a pug cleric. When it came to the items nothing cleric specific dropped so he rolled on something that no one really wanted. and if a cleric specified item had dropped it woulda gone to him over favoring guildies.

Go ahead and add all my toons to ur not raid with group man. wow just wow.

And im not saying that u should let people roll on an item u pull that u need, im saying if u dont need it u should offer it to the other people that helped u do the raid that can use it!! cuz without them u wouldnt even be looting that end chest in the first place!!

Try not being so greedy and grow up and have some respect for ur fellow players man!

gotta say it again wow just wow.

**Teufel_Hunden** · 08-09-2007, 08:38 AM

Originally Posted by Nuckin

*snip*
Go ahead and add all my toons to ur not raid with group man. wow just wow.
*snip*

done. Thank you.

**Nuckin** · 08-09-2007, 08:53 AM

lol and i just read ur sig:

"It appears that Sense and Courtesy aren't as Common as we're led to believe"

lol no common sense and common courtesy are very common i guess just not for u since u obviously dont act on them, so y would anyone show u them in return?

lol bored

**rnor6084** · 08-09-2007, 10:55 AM

Originally Posted by Nuckin

lol and i just read ur sig:

"It appears that Sense and Courtesy aren't as Common as we're led to believe"

lol no common sense and common courtesy are very common i guess just not for u since u obviously dont act on them, so y would anyone show u them in return?

lol bored

So Nuckin, I am looking at your MASSIVE trade/sell list. You seem to be very generous in RAIDS. Perhaps you could send some of that loot you obviously do not need my way. Its the same as finding something in a raid you do not need and passing it on right?

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