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[Saekee]

Hi, am planning on a run from 1-20 without ever equipping anything--no weapons, gear, spell components, thieves tools etc. Am thinking at least monk with two levels, the rest is flexible (no warlock though). Druid? Or as a clonk? What tier 5 would be most beneficial? Also am thinking warforged for immunities and arcane healing which would make druid less appealing.
I would TR at 20.

edit: Nevermind, will create a new thread : please post there!

[Soraksis]

Hello everyone I have been gone for almost 3 or 4 years now from game and am just returning. I would like to run a pure shuriken build if possible but have no idea how to go about building one and what is optimal as far as race and class mix. This would be a new player build no tomes or anything like that but I do have 32 point build capabilities. Any help would be much appreciated.

[unbongwah]

I would like to run a pure shuriken build if possible but have no idea how to go about building one and what is optimal as far as race and class mix. This would be a new player build no tomes or anything like that but I do have 32 point build capabilities.

https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthrea...Thrower-Builds

The short version: the best shuriken builds are (still) DEX-based monks; the recent-ish buffs to DWS and Mechanic make them good complements to any thrower build; the changes to Ten Thousand Stars make it a must-have on a shurimonk, IMO. FotW rgr 6 / monk 14 looks like the best overall burst DPS option; or do monk 12 / rgr 6 / <???> 2 if you're willing to give up some DPS for other benefits (trap skills or whatever).

Also: AA primary imbues are (still) bugged and can be applied to throwing weapons (or xbows) with a work-around. I'm presuming it will be nerfed / patched someday, but in the interim it can boost your DPS.

[Discpsycho]

FotW rgr 6 / monk 14 looks like the best overall burst DPS option; or do monk 12 / rgr 6 / <???> 2 if you're willing to give up some DPS for other benefits (trap skills or whatever).

Shouldn't that be Rgr 12 / Monk 6 / XX 2 'cause of DWS Core #4? I was considering a build like this for my next life but don't want to gimp myself unnecessarily

Edit: My bad, I totally forgot they'd added the Monk level stuff to it, and failed to notice it when I checked the wiki

[unbongwah]

Shouldn't that be Rgr 12 / Monk 6 / XX 2 'cause of DWS Core #4? I was considering a build like this for my next life but don't want to gimp myself unnecessarily

http://ddowiki.com/page/Ten_Thousand_Stars

"Add your Wisdom ability score to your Ranged Power and add your monk level * 5 to your Doubleshot. " Which means effectively every monk lvl is worth +2.5% avg Doubleshot, since you can keep TTS going half the time. So going from monk 14 to 6 means giving up 20% avg Doubleshot. The +1 crit range bonus from DWS isn't worth it, IMO, particularly since (A) you can play a halfling and pick up Master Thrower instead and (B) if you're building for FotW and focused on burst DPS, +1 crit range has a negligible effect on Adrenaline.

"So why not go pure monk on a shuriken build to max out TTS bonus?" you may wonder. That's an option too, but there are lots of goodies in DWS: Sniper Shot, +10m PBS range, +40% Doubleshot from max Killer + Strikes Like Lightning (which more than makes up for giving up +30% DS from monk 20 -> 14), Heavy Draw, extra DEX enhs (+2 DEX -> +1 dmg & +1% extra proc chance), etc.

Again, see jakeelala's thread that I linked; some pretty good analysis in there.

[GuntherBovine]

I'd like a build something similar to this. The toon will be for solo-only questing. The idea is that the toon is a pure melee early on, then is mostly melee with Maximized AoE spells for tough fights. He'll have a skeleton knight and a summons (cast through scrolls) as loyal side kicks while questing.

A few years ago, I played a build like this to level 8 and had a blast. Didn't take much in the way of gear, so low-level crafting was sufficient. I can't find any recent builds like this. Is it even viable now days?

Here's my attempt for the first nine levels:

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Gunther Bovine
Level 9 True Neutral Warforged Male
(2 Rogue \ 7 Wizard) 
Hit Points: 126
Spell Points: 375 
BAB: 4\4
Fortitude: 6
Reflex: 10
Will: 3

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 9)
Strength             14                    15
Dexterity             8                     8
Constitution         18                    18
Intelligence         18                    21
Wisdom                6                     6
Charisma              6                     6

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Strength used at level 5

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 9)
Balance               3                    -2
Bluff                 2                     2
Concentration         4                     9
Diplomacy             2                     2
Disable Device        8                    17
Haggle               -2                    -2
Heal                 -2                    -2
Hide                  3                    -2
Intimidate            2                     3
Jump                  6                     1
Listen               -2                    -2
Move Silently         3                    -2
Open Lock             3                     3
Perform              n/a                   n/a
Repair                7                    12
Search                8                    17
Spellcraft            4                    16
Spot                 -2                    -2
Swim                  2                    -8
Tumble                0                    -5
Use Magic Device      2                    10

Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Adamantine Body


Level 2 (Wizard)
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Augment Summoning


Level 3 (Wizard)
Feat: (Selected) Insightful Reflexes


Level 4 (Wizard)
Enhancement: Warforged - Improved Fortification (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warforged - Construct Toughness (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Eldritch Strike (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Spellsword: Acid (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Toughness (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Toughness (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Toughness (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Battlemage (Rank 1)


Level 5 (Wizard)
Enhancement: Warforged - Inscribed Armor (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warforged - Inscribed Armor (Rank 2)


Level 6 (Wizard)
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Empower Spell
Feat: (Selected) Two Handed Fighting
Enhancement: Warforged - Inscribed Armor (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Warforged - Great Weapon Aptitude (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Warforged - Great Weapon Aptitude (Rank 2)


Level 7 (Wizard)
Enhancement: Warforged - Great Weapon Aptitude (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Dark Reaping (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Skeletal Knight (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Skeletal Knight (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Skeletal Knight (Rank 3)
Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Corpsecrafter (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Corpsecrafter (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Corpsecrafter (Rank 3)


Level 8 (Wizard)
Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Eternal Servitude (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Eternal Servitude (Rank 2)
Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Intelligence (Rank 1)


Level 9 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Spell Focus: Evocation
Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Deathless Vigor (Rank 1)
Enhancement: Pale Master (Wiz) - Eternal Servitude (Rank 3)

[unbongwah]

https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthrea...ar-Infiltrator

WF variant is a fairly easy conversion; and opens the option of going heavy into Archmage instead of Pale Master.

[Maelodic]

Please ignore.

[Soraksis]

Hello everyone I have returned to playing recently maybe now a few weeks. We are finally getting a feel for the game and have made some decent progress with a trio, myself, my wife, and my son. My son isn't always around when we are so we were hoping you ddo guru's could help us design a solid team to duo with.

We have just unlocked the Iconic characters so here is our request. Using the Iconics as a base we would like 2 builds one for each of us, now they do not have to be trappers but if they aren't then at least should be able to survive running through traps or maybe survive most of the time I guess. We do not know all the trap locations for all the instances. Ranged, Melee, or caster is not set, we would play any of of them if it was fun and worked. We do not have any tomes nor do we have any equipment other than the starting gear we get because our highest level characters are 13. We would like the builds to compliment one another but they do not have to be cookie cutter healer/tank team or anything like that. Thank you ahead of time and we look forward to some of the outstanding creations we know you guys are capable of.

Also if there is anymore information you require please ask.

[unbongwah]

Simplest option IMO if you only have starter gear is to stick with the obvious templates: SDK TWF Assassin + Morninglord cleric. SDK provides trap skills and melee DPS, ML provides heals and caster DPS. This approach requires zero twink gear or tomes. SDK Tempest Trapmonkey would also work if you'd prefer a melee / ranged build, though you'd want to upgrade from daggers ASAP. If you don't care about trap skills, you could ditch the SDK for a BF pally.

[Soraksis]

Simplest option IMO if you only have starter gear is to stick with the obvious templates: SDK TWF Assassin + Morninglord cleric. SDK provides trap skills and melee DPS, ML provides heals and caster DPS. This approach requires zero twink gear or tomes. SDK Tempest Trapmonkey would also work if you'd prefer a melee / ranged build, though you'd want to upgrade from daggers ASAP. If you don't care about trap skills, you could ditch the SDK for a BF pally.

Have never played a pure Rogue assassin, how is their survivability? Will the heals keep up with the hp loss? With the trapmonkey how many levels of ranger and do we use any of the rogues enhancements? What weapons do we use with the trapmonkey? With the cleric how do we plan the enhancements? Do we focus on heals try to balance it out with damage? And if we went pally would it be pure pally or would we splash some fighter in there for feats? Do we keep it THF or go S&B? Do we really need tomes to splash or multi-class or is it just easier to run pure without it?

Could something like this possibly work with a pure mechanic rogue instead of an assassin?

THF Pal/Fighter
18/2 Paladin/Fighter
Lawful Good Bladeforged


Level Order

1. Paladin. . . . .6. Fighter . . . .11. Paladin . . . .16. Paladin
2. Paladin. . . . .7. Paladin. . . . 12. Paladin. . . . 17. Paladin
3. Fighter . . . . 8. Paladin . . . .13. Paladin . . . .18. Paladin
4. Paladin. . . . .9. Paladin. . . . 14. Paladin. . . . 19. Paladin
5. Paladin. . . . 10. Paladin. . . . 15. Paladin. . . . 20. Paladin


Stats
. . . . . . . .28pt . . 32pt . . Level Up
. . . . . . . .---- . . ---- . . --------
Strength. . . . 16. . . .16. . . .4: STR
Dexterity . . . .6. . . . 6. . . .8: STR
Constitution. . 14. . . .16. . . 12: CON
Intelligence. . 10. . . .10. . . 16: CON
Wisdom. . . . . 14. . . .14. . . 20: STR
Charisma. . . . 10. . . .12. . . 24: STR
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .28: STR

Feats

.1. . . . : Adamantine Body
.1 Deity. : Follower of: Lord of Blades
.3. . . . : Weapon Focus: Slashing
.3 Fighter: Two Handed Fighting
.6. . . . : Power Critical
.6 Fighter: Improved Two Handed Fighting
.8 Deity. : Bladesworn Transformation
.9. . . . : Improved Critical: Slashing
12. . . . : Greater Two Handed Fighting
15. . . . : Weapon Focus: Bludgeoning
18. . . . : Improved Critical: Bludgeoning
21 Epic . : Overwhelming Critical
24 Epic . : Great Ability: Strength
26 Destiny: Perfect Two Handed Fighting
27 Epic . : Blinding Speed
28 Destiny: First Blood
29 Destiny: Holy Strike
30 Epic . : Epic Damage Reduction
30 Legend : Scion of: Arborea

[unbongwah]

Have never played a pure Rogue assassin, how is their survivability?

Squishy: hence why I suggest pairing with a cleric.

With the trapmonkey how many levels of ranger and do we use any of the rogues enhancements?

18/1/1 split is still fine; I don't see much point in a deeper MC unless you want defensive stance as well, in which case consider rgr 15 / pal 4 / rog 1 (lose extra feats but gain Div Grace + Might). A slightly more flavorful possibility is rgr 15 / cleric or FvS 4 / rog 1 for Ameliorating Strike, but now we're veering into Tempest Warpriest territory.

And if we went pally would it be pure pally or would we splash some fighter in there for feats?

KotC capstone is much better than two Weapon Focuses; trading +10 Melee Power cap for +4 MP feats makes zero sense, so stick with pure pally.

Normally I dump WIS on pallies, but if you're starting w/out tomes or twink gear, base WIS 6 can be rough, since you need WIS 14 for spells. That said, I certainly wouldn't start WIS 14; WIS 8 at most, since ML:15-ish WIS +6 gear isn't too hard to farm for.

[Soraksis]

Okay what about something like this

Pure Pally
Paladin 20
Lawful Good Bladeforged


Stats
. . . . . . . .28pt . . 32pt . . Level Up
. . . . . . . .---- . . ---- . . --------
Strength. . . . 16. . . .18. . . .4: STR
Dexterity . . . .8. . . . 6. . . .8: STR
Constitution. . 16. . . .16. . . 12: STR
Intelligence. . 10. . . .10. . . 16: STR
Wisdom. . . . . 10. . . .10. . . 20: STR
Charisma. . . . 12. . . .12. . . 24: STR
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .28: STR

Feats

.1. . . . : Adamantine Body
.1 Deity. : Follower of: Lord of Blades
.3. . . . : Two Handed Fighting
.6. . . . : Improved Two Handed Fighting
.6 Deity. : Bladesworn Transformation
.9. . . . : Improved Critical: Slashing
12. . . . : Greater Two Handed Fighting
15. . . . : Improved Critical: Bludgeoning
18. . . . : Improved Fortification
21 Epic . : Overwhelming Critical
24 Epic . : Great Ability: Strength
26 Destiny: Perfect Two Handed Fighting
27 Epic . : Blinding Speed
28 Destiny: First Blood
29 Destiny: Holy Strike
30 Epic . : Great Ability: Strength
30 Legend : Scion of: Arborea


Or possibly this...

Lockadin
18/2 Warlock/Paladin
Lawful Good Bladeforged


Level Order

1. Paladin . . . . 6. Warlock . . . .11. Warlock . . . .16. Warlock
2. Paladin . . . . 7. Warlock . . . .12. Warlock . . . .17. Warlock
3. Warlock. . . . .8. Warlock. . . . 13. Warlock. . . . 18. Warlock
4. Warlock. . . . .9. Warlock. . . . 14. Warlock. . . . 19. Warlock
5. Warlock. . . . 10. Warlock. . . . 15. Warlock. . . . 20. Warlock


Stats
. . . . . . . .28pt . . 32pt . . Level Up
. . . . . . . .---- . . ---- . . --------
Strength. . . . 14. . . .14. . . .4: CON
Dexterity . . . .6. . . . 6. . . .8: CON
Constitution. . 14. . . .16. . . 12: CHA
Intelligence. . 10. . . .10. . . 16: CHA
Wisdom. . . . . .6. . . . 8. . . 20: CON
Charisma. . . . 18. . . .18. . . 24: CON
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .28: CON

Feats

.1. . . . : Mithral Body
.1 Deity. : Follower of: Lord of Blades
.3. . . . : Force of Personality
.3 Warlock: Pact: Fey
.6. . . . : Maximize Spell
.9. . . . : Empower Spell
12. . . . : Shield Mastery
15. . . . : Quicken Spell
18. . . . : Spell Focus: Evocation
21 Epic . : Epic Eldritch Blast
24 Epic . : Intensify Spell
26 Destiny: Epic Arcane Eldritch Blast
27 Epic . : Epic Damage Reduction
28 Destiny: Epic Spell Power: Light
29 Destiny: Deific Warding
30 Epic . : Embolden Spell
30 Legend : Scion of: Celestia

Of course you give up the capstone for this one but its still full of flavor and seems to have good damage and survivability.

[Oppugno]

Been out of the game a long time and need something that can solo current EE content. What I would like is melee dps that can self heal and has as few buttons as possible. If the most common things used cannot be put on the 1 - 0 buttons it's not something I want to use. Ideally it would use gear that is not difficult to obtain since I have horrible luck with RNG on rares. I do have some old things that may or may not be useful such as madstone boots, pinion, needle, sireth, gauntlets of immorality, dreampeircer, and flawless black dragonhide armor.

Iconic would be ideal with bladeforged being what I like most. This would be a second life (34pt) then 36pt after. Most of my tomes are +2 with a few +3.

I know I'm kind of asking for the world with the limitations but I don't expect perfection or the ability to speed run everything. If it can handle most EE content that isn't the crazy hard stuff I'll be happy.

[unbongwah]

Iconic would be ideal with bladeforged being what I like most. This would be a second life (34pt) then 36pt after. Most of my tomes are +2 with a few +3.

To me that suggests pure BF pally in LD is the simplest choice. Your 1-0 keys would consist of:

1. Exalted Cleave
2. Avenging Cleave
3. Lay Waste
4. Momentum Swing
5. (Exalted) Smite Evil
6. Divine Sacrifice
7. Reconstruct (BF SLA)
8. Lay on Hands
9. Power of the Forge
10. Haste Boost

About the only things missing are Stunning Blow & Dire Charge.

However, BF can't use your flawless black dragonhide, which is still pretty good for ML:25 armor. And if you wanted to use your Sireth & Dreampiercer on a staff build, that suggests SDK Acrobat; or SDK Mechanic if you'd rather use Needle. It makes sense to come up with a build that exploits your current gear, IMO, that you can use to farm for new endgame gear on your next life.

[masterblaster-1]

Heya folks. I'm looking for something with really great AC and maybe PRR/MRR as well. I want it to have some healing as well and still do good mellee damage. I know, tall order. I'm thinking some kind of paladin build, but open to whatever. Well, not quite whatever.... please no monk/monk splash. I don't like all the centering stuff. I have most race/class options except iconic available as well as 32 point build. Thanks!

[unbongwah]

I'm looking for something with really great AC and maybe PRR/MRR as well. I want it to have some healing as well and still do good mellee damage.

To me that says paladin: either pure S&B (see my Sacred Vanguards thread) or something more "exotic" like Steel Shrine (pal 15 / cleric or FvS 4 / ftr 1 works for the non-monks).

[Maelodic]

Been out of the game a long time and need something that can solo current EE content. What I would like is melee dps that can self heal and has as few buttons as possible. If the most common things used cannot be put on the 1 - 0 buttons it's not something I want to use. Ideally it would use gear that is not difficult to obtain since I have horrible luck with RNG on rares. I do have some old things that may or may not be useful such as madstone boots, pinion, needle, sireth, gauntlets of immorality, dreampeircer, and flawless black dragonhide armor.

Iconic would be ideal with bladeforged being what I like most. This would be a second life (34pt) then 36pt after. Most of my tomes are +2 with a few +3.

I know I'm kind of asking for the world with the limitations but I don't expect perfection or the ability to speed run everything. If it can handle most EE content that isn't the crazy hard stuff I'll be happy.

It sounds like you're looking at either barbarian (though you couldn't make use of bladeforged recon) or paladin (which has more buttons, including their heals.)

Barbarians just kind of heal by themselves, and require very little attention otherwise. Just run in, cleave everything to death, and then keep doing that. Stay raged. It's pretty gross. Not sure how Blood Strength/Ravager works with bladeforged or heal amp - whether it switches to repair then. You'll PROBABLY get less healing as a bladeforged than a fleshie with barbarian, but your playstyle seems to be more geared toward a barb. You'd also need a +1 heart, alignment change, and another +1 heart to play 20 barb as bladeforged. So if you could not be bladeforged, that would probably suit you best.

Standard build is 41 Frenzied Beserker for capstone, 39 Ravager for T5s. THF, SWF or TWF all work fine.

OTHERWISE
If you really want to play Bladeforged, you could easily make a KOTC/Stalwart pally. Tons of easy mode defenses and damaging enough. Your heals require a bit more attention but are still very strong. You'd be able to solo really easily. Pure works fine.

If you want TWF and/or ranged, consider a 15 Paladin/5 Ranger split for T5 Tempest skills. They're more buttons to play, but also are awesome and do a lot of damage at the cost of only a little bit of tankiness. Switch to 6 ranger instead for some free ranged skills and more feats.

Let me know what interests you the most, and I can mock up a build for you or point you to an existing one.

[Stinkdog]

Hello all!

I have been away from DDO since U9 (yes, nine) and I'm looking to start up again. I'd really like class and build advice for a First Life Warforged that would be easy to moderate in difficulty for solo play. I feel like the classes have changed so much that I have no idea what Warforged excel at anymore! >_<

I'd also prefer to start from scratch with this toon so I'd like to avoid spending money on Bladeforged if possible.

Thanks!

[Maelodic]

Hello all!

I have been away from DDO since U9 (yes, nine) and I'm looking to start up again. I'd really like class and build advice for a First Life Warforged that would be easy to moderate in difficulty for solo play. I feel like the classes have changed so much that I have no idea what Warforged excel at anymore! >_<

I'd also prefer to start from scratch with this toon so I'd like to avoid spending money on Bladeforged if possible.

Thanks!

While I would heavily recommend bladeforged for the reconstruct SLA, Warforged also makes good wizards and artificers. What build are you looking for specifically? What classes do you want to play?