Originally Posted by Aenoanx
good hp plenty of rogue skills lots of sneak attack and evasion to spare.
The key to a good dps rogue is to learn to use diplomacy when you draw too much aggro just learn to use it.
Hitting as a rogue is also an art you don't have to be the first one to hit or even the second one let them lose 1/4-1/3 health then move in that way you keep your sneak attack hopefully long enough to get the mob killed and you not to have aggro.
I put a little more into wisdom just incase you decide to splash monk for wisdom bonus to ac +6 item and +2 wis tome would get you an extra 5 ac.
Code:Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 3.00 DDO Character Planner Home Page Level 16 Lawful Good Halfling Male (16 Rogue) Hit Points: 186 Spell Points: 0 BAB: 12\12\17\22 Fortitude: 8 Reflex: 18 Will: 7 Starting Feat/Enhancement Base Stats Modified Stats Abilities (Level 1) (Level 16) Strength 12 12 Dexterity 16 24 Constitution 14 14 Intelligence 14 14 Wisdom 12 12 Charisma 8 8 Starting Feat/Enhancement Base Skills Modified Skills Skills (Level 1) (Level 16) Balance 7 26 Bluff 3 24 Concentration 2 2 Diplomacy 3 18 Disable Device 6 22 Haggle 3 18 Heal 1 1 Hide 3 17 Intimidate -1 -1 Jump 1 18 Listen 1 3 Move Silently 3 17 Open Lock 7 26 Perform n/a n/a Repair 2 2 Search 6 22 Spot 5 20 Swim 1 1 Tumble 7 11 Use Magic Device 3 18 Level 1 (Rogue) Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting Level 2 (Rogue) Level 3 (Rogue) Feat: (Selected) Weapon Finesse Level 4 (Rogue) Level 5 (Rogue) Level 6 (Rogue) Feat: (Selected) Toughness Level 7 (Rogue) Level 8 (Rogue) Level 9 (Rogue) Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting Level 10 (Rogue) Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Improved Evasion Level 11 (Rogue) Level 12 (Rogue) Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Piercing Weapons Level 13 (Rogue) Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Cripling Strike Level 14 (Rogue) Level 15 (Rogue) Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting Level 16 (Rogue) Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Slippery Mind Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost I Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost II Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost I Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost I Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost II Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost III Enhancement: Halfling Dexterity I Enhancement: Halfling Dexterity II Enhancement: Halfling Cunning I Enhancement: Halfling Cunning II Enhancement: Halfling Guile I Enhancement: Halfling Guile II Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabber I Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabber II Enhancement: Racial Toughness I Enhancement: Racial Toughness II Enhancement: Rogue Faster Sneaking I Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy II Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy III Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training II Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training III Enhancement: Way of the Assassin I Enhancement: Way of the Assassin II Enhancement: Rogue Disable Device I Enhancement: Rogue Hide I Enhancement: Rogue Hide II Enhancement: Rogue Move Silently I Enhancement: Rogue Move Silently II Enhancement: Rogue Search I Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity I Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity II Enhancement: Rogue Improved Trap Sense I Enhancement: Rogue Improved Trap Sense II
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06-16-2009, 04:50 PM #681Founder
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Originally Posted by MadFloyd
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06-16-2009, 04:58 PM #682Founder
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trying to go ac? if not drop the ranger dex 3 enhancment and probably human adap dex and energy of the wild 3?? not needed atall make greensteel wiz 6 wisdom 6 item and have the best in both save those ap for some more hp or smites Originally Posted by poonce
i'd also hold off power attack till later in lvls so you can have tempest at lvl 7 your skills look good
also why rapiers? if you want the most dps you can take khopesh Originally Posted by MadFloyd
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06-16-2009, 05:01 PM #683Founder
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Originally Posted by Vincire
for soloing do you mean able to do traps and such or just the ability to complete the quests and heal yourself? Originally Posted by MadFloyd
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06-16-2009, 05:16 PM #684Founder
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Originally Posted by 96th_Malice
No cha slots for this or i'd make it myself only thing that would be better is if zen archery were ingame then you could dump dex and max wis and con.
Divine might along with divine power and divine favor will really allow this build to make serious damage on it's manyshot.
Code:Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 3.00 DDO Character Planner Home Page Level 16 Neutral Good Elf Male (2 Ranger \ 14 Cleric) Hit Points: 180 Spell Points: 1005 BAB: 12\12\17\22 Fortitude: 14 Reflex: 14 Will: 14 Starting Feat/Enhancement Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats (32 Point) (Level 1) (Level 16) Strength 12 12 Dexterity 16 24 Constitution 12 14 Intelligence 8 10 Wisdom 16 20 Charisma 14 16 Tomes Used +2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 3 +2 Tome of Constitution used at level 3 +2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 3 +2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 3 +2 Tome of Charisma used at level 3 Starting Feat/Enhancement Base Skills Modified Skills Skills (Level 1) (Level 16) Balance 5 16 Bluff 2 3 Concentration 5 21 Diplomacy 2 3 Disable Device n/a n/a Haggle 2 3 Heal 7 10 Hide 3 7 Intimidate 2 3 Jump 5 6 Listen 3 7 Move Silently 3 7 Open Lock n/a n/a Perform n/a n/a Repair -1 0 Search -1 2 Spot 3 7 Swim 1 1 Tumble 5 9.5 Use Magic Device n/a n/a Level 1 (Ranger) Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Ranged Weapons Level 2 (Ranger) Level 3 (Cleric) Feat: (Selected) Mental Toughness Level 4 (Cleric) Level 5 (Cleric) Level 6 (Cleric) Feat: (Selected) Point Blank Shot Level 7 (Cleric) Level 8 (Cleric) Level 9 (Cleric) Feat: (Selected) Manyshot Level 10 (Cleric) Level 11 (Cleric) Level 12 (Cleric) Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Ranged Weapons Level 13 (Cleric) Level 14 (Cleric) Level 15 (Cleric) Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell Level 16 (Cleric) Enhancement: Divine Might I Enhancement: Divine Might II Enhancement: Elven Dexterity I Enhancement: Elf Ranged Attack I Enhancement: Elf Ranged Attack II Enhancement: Elf Ranged Damage I Enhancement: Elf Ranged Damage II Enhancement: Follower of the Silver Flame Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage I Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer I Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +2 Arrows Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Force Arrow Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Life I Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Incredible Life I Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Incredible Life II Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic I Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic II Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic III Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic IV Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot I Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot II Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity I Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom I Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom II Enhancement: Cleric Divine Healing I Enhancement: Cleric Extra Turning I Enhancement: Cleric Extra Turning II Enhancement: Cleric Extra Turning III Enhancement: Cleric Wand Mastery I Enhancement: Cleric Wand Mastery II Enhancement: Cleric Wand Mastery III
Originally Posted by MadFloyd
Fernando has yet to even suggest a nerf of anything.
Oh and by the way (referring to your sig), we aren't nerfing the Torc.
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06-16-2009, 08:15 PM #685Community Member
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I'd like to request a 28-point Warchanter Bard that strikes a decent balance between optimizing Inspire Courage and front-line survivability (Hoping for a respectable AC). I'm far more concerned with durability and staying power than with raw damage. Multiclassing's fine, as long as it doesn't cut into the Inspire Courage bonuses too much.
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06-16-2009, 08:59 PM #686Founder
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well for a bard getting a high ac is possible but it takes alot of work and grinding your best bet would be to go with a dwarf or human thf high str and high con to get 350-400 hp and rely on displacment and stoneskin for your "AC" dwarf gets you axe enhancments and human gets you easier healing and human versatility boost for better umd. Originally Posted by EnygmaSoul
Originally Posted by MadFloyd
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06-16-2009, 09:19 PM #687Community Member
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Im gunna run with this I really like where its going. Originally Posted by Lifespawn
My only question is if I didn't want to be a halfling would human still be ok? or elf?
I actually went with human and dropped wisdom score down and raised str up to 14. I don't think I'll splash into anything - but I really like the effort you put into this build, thank you it feels exactly kinda what I want from my rogue.Last edited by Aenoanx; 06-16-2009 at 10:40 PM.
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06-17-2009, 03:48 AM #688Founder
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the reason i went halfling is for the halfling guild since halflings can get the highest sneak attack. Originally Posted by Aenoanx
Halfling str of 12 is the same as human str of 14 because of the racial bonus of +1 to hit damage and ac and halflings get higher dex via enhancments humans are easier to heal your call the build works either way enjoy. Originally Posted by MadFloyd
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06-17-2009, 05:51 AM #689Community Member
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Hmm, well for now just the ability to finish quests and learn the game Originally Posted by Lifespawn
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06-17-2009, 09:55 AM #690Community Member
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Thats a good point I wont get a chance to roll my class until tonight. I'll give some thought on it Originally Posted by Lifespawn
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06-18-2009, 12:46 PM #691Community Member
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I'm fairly new to this game (I played when it first came out when there was a 10 level cap, but I only vaguely remember) and have been working on the favor to unlock drow. When I do I'd like to make a drow dex based rogue / ranger but I'm having trouble balancing the stats, skill points, enhancements and when to take feats.
I'd like
A) To be able to cover traps/locks - I'd like to have a decent spot score as well as I wont know where to search.
B) Hoping I could get tempest
C) I can't do a 32 point build, and I dont have access to any tomes; I'm sure eventually I could get +2 tomes, I plan to put some work into this character, but the only thing Ill be *sure* to have at low level is a +1 int tome.
D) Dex based - does this mean a decent AC?
It'd be nice if I could get acrobat too (and acrobat 2 when the level cap rises)
Now character this benefits from Str/Dex/Int/Con/ and even wis if I splash monk when the level cap rises - is this something I should wait to make until I have 32 point builds? I dont really have an idea of how long it would take to unlock 32 point builds, not sure the best class to do it with, I've been using my battle-cleric to get the favor for the drow, as its easy to get a group and seems to solo well at the lower levels, at least. I also have a warforged wizard as that particular race/class doesn't really need anything but int/con, so no need to wait until 32 points to make it and I'd rather have a warforged wizard than drow. It doesn't solo nearly, its not as useful as the cleric(at low levels), though... but if I need to unlock 1750 favor I'd probably rather do it with the wizard if they get more powerful at midlevels.
Playing with the builder, the ranger levels prevent me from capping all the skills I want, not sure what to drop: The skills I was thinking of getting are Balance(since I cant get acrobat 2 AND tempest), Diplomacy, Disable Device, Hide, Jump, Move Silently, Open Lock, Search, Spot, Tumble, Use Magic Device. I guess I dont *need* jump or tumble (or do I?) but they seem cool to have, especially considering acrobat gives bonuses. I have no idea whats needed at what levels though, so any advice on a build (or link to somebody with a build like this) would be wonderful.Last edited by Narninian; 06-18-2009 at 01:50 PM.
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06-18-2009, 06:39 PM #692Founder
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Originally Posted by Narninian
well you can make a good rogue ranger splash with drow just fine i just need you to decide what you want more before the level cap raise acrobat 2 or tempest.....and if you think a monk splash might be something you want to do so we can build for it at the start. Originally Posted by MadFloyd
Fernando has yet to even suggest a nerf of anything.
Oh and by the way (referring to your sig), we aren't nerfing the Torc.
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06-18-2009, 08:05 PM #693Community Member
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tempest really seems more potent at this point, I just really dont know enough about the game to make good choices about when to take the rangers levels, feats, and enhancements or even what skills I need and what stat distrubition to start with (assuming only +1 tomes to start)
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06-19-2009, 09:03 AM #694Community Member
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Um, anybody? Please? *whimpers and such* Originally Posted by EnygmaSoul
Somebody commented in regards to the AC, apparently not understanding that it was a minor focus.
Priority 1) Boosting the offensive power of the party. This means a fully boosted Inspire Courage as well as the appropriate spell selection (which I can manage on my own).
Priority 2) Although I'm never going to be a tank as a Bard, I'd like to be able to survive having one or two creatures focus on me while I'm doing my schtick. Maybe not the heavy hitters, but I'm not a crowd control bard, so IF I CAN, I'd like to balance out my lack of CC by being able to decoy temporarily here or there.
I'm less about slaughtering everything in my path and more about making the rest of my group run like a well-oiled machine. This is the character that I'm hoping to use to grind out enough favor for 32 pointers. I seemed to have been glossed over in favor of later (larger) posts...
*shrugs*
It's just so hard to find solid builds on the board that don't assume 32 points or drow.
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06-19-2009, 10:58 AM #695Community Member
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Hello everyone,
I'm looking to make a character that is fun to play and useful to a party throughout the game, so I settled on a quater staff rogueish character.
Problem is that I have no idea how to make such a character, so I figured someone else would.
I only have 28pt and no tomes. I do have drow, preferably I'd like to be a human, but if it matters enough, I can settle for less. Other than that I don't have any requests aside from that I know I want to have good rogue skills / good q-staff / good survivalbility
Thanks,
MattLast edited by magnvix; 06-19-2009 at 11:04 AM.
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06-19-2009, 05:21 PM #696Founder
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Originally Posted by EnygmaSoul
Nope you weren't glossed over just needed a response to the statment i made about you wanting ac now that i know you don't really care about the ac you just want to have hp's to live i will build you something tonight. Originally Posted by MadFloyd
Fernando has yet to even suggest a nerf of anything.
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06-19-2009, 05:29 PM #697Community Member
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Thank you very much!
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06-19-2009, 08:37 PM #698Founder
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Originally Posted by EnygmaSoul
here you go decent str good hp's once you get tomes you can pimp it out but it will do good damage and it has max damage songs along with inspire heroics for lvl 15 bard enjoy
Code:Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 3.00 DDO Character Planner Home Page Level 16 Neutral Good Human Male (1 Fighter \ 15 Bard) Hit Points: 200 Spell Points: 536 BAB: 12\12\17\22 Fortitude: 9 Reflex: 9 Will: 13 Starting Feat/Enhancement Base Stats Modified Stats Abilities (Level 1) (Level 16) Strength 15 20 Dexterity 10 10 Constitution 14 14 Intelligence 10 10 Wisdom 8 8 Charisma 16 19 Starting Feat/Enhancement Base Skills Modified Skills Skills (Level 1) (Level 16) Balance 4 18 Bluff 7 21 Concentration 6 21 Diplomacy 7 18 Disable Device n/a n/a Haggle 7 23 Heal -1 -1 Hide 0 0 Intimidate 3 4 Jump 2 8 Listen -1 -1 Move Silently 0 1 Open Lock n/a n/a Perform 7 25 Repair 0 0 Search 0 0 Spot -1 -1 Swim 2 5 Tumble n/a n/a Use Magic Device 7 23 Level 1 (Bard) Feat: (Selected) Toughness Feat: (Human Bonus) Two Handed Fighting Level 2 (Bard) Level 3 (Bard) Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell Level 4 (Fighter) Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Power Attack Level 5 (Bard) Level 6 (Bard) Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons Level 7 (Bard) Level 8 (Bard) Level 9 (Bard) Feat: (Selected) Force of Personality Level 10 (Bard) Level 11 (Bard) Level 12 (Bard) Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons Level 13 (Bard) Level 14 (Bard) Level 15 (Bard) Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Handed Fighting Level 16 (Bard) Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I Enhancement: Bard Extra Song I Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack I Enhancement: Bard Inspired Bravery I Enhancement: Bard Inspired Bravery II Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage I Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage II Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage III Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song I Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song II Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song III Enhancement: Warchanter I Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy I Enhancement: Human Adaptability Strength I Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery II Enhancement: Human Versatility I Enhancement: Human Versatility II Enhancement: Human Versatility III Enhancement: Racial Toughness I Enhancement: Racial Toughness II Enhancement: Bard Perform I Enhancement: Bard Perform II Enhancement: Bard Song Magic I Enhancement: Bard Energy of the Music I Enhancement: Bard Energy of the Music II Enhancement: Bard Charisma I Enhancement: Bard Charisma II Enhancement: Bard Charisma III Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I Enhancement: Bard Wand Mastery I Enhancement: Bard Wand Mastery II
Originally Posted by MadFloyd
Fernando has yet to even suggest a nerf of anything.
Oh and by the way (referring to your sig), we aren't nerfing the Torc.
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06-19-2009, 11:54 PM #699
Thanks Lifespawn!
I just wanted to drop in and say how much I appreciate you helping folks out Lifespawn!
I felt bad getting requests after I stopped posting a while back. I hadn't realized someone had picked up the torch. Checking back I was delighted to see the tradition was carried on and that this thread was still useful to folks.
A big thumbs up to you Lifespawn, for making builds and breathing life into my neglected thread!
Also kudos to Telero for creating a forum for builds and being kind enough to link to this thread.
Finally: A big appology to all those who made requests I wasn't able to fulfill. Other games and real life called me away.
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Hey no problem bud threads yours whenever you want it back just couldn't let such a good thread go to waste. Originally Posted by sigtrent
Originally Posted by MadFloyd
Fernando has yet to even suggest a nerf of anything.
Oh and by the way (referring to your sig), we aren't nerfing the Torc.
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