Thanks for the suggestions unbongwah, much appreciated! Lots to work with and ponder there. The axesinger sounds pretty familiar, I think that is what I worked with in the past. Love your builds. The Dwarven Defender Parody sounds interesting, I really like the idea of being able to keep some rogue. I'd forgoe being able to handle traps if I could at least do locks. Makes me crazy to leave locked doors/chests and loots. The iconic options are interesting, but I'll be focusing on heoric levels for now. Although I did just started a shader-kai tempest trap monkey for giggle and sh!ts