Shade's Max DPS build?

[hdogan]

I'l be TRing my paladin into a half orc following pretty similar guidelines to this build as soon as the new update comes out.

I was thinking about what Shade think about Half-Orc Barbarian build... Will it be new Shade's Max DPS Build?

[Consumer]

I was thinking about what Shade think about Half-Orc Barbarian build... Will it be new Shade's Max DPS Build?

The pure build isn't and won't be max DPS.

[stoolcannon]

The pure build isn't and won't be max DPS.

Judging by what I've read on these boards the difference between "max" DPS across the top builds varies by a very tiny margin and is a mere formality.

Judging by what I;ve experienced in game running this build the difference between it and the other builds I've run with is substantial.

I'd also love to see what barb build out there gets more DPS by electing to not stay pure. I haven't seen one I thought was worth creating yet.

[gara-xxx]

well Shade has a lot of videos showing his max dps while your multi "awesome "dps builds are plain paper things,stop being such geeks & just enjoy the game

[pappo]

well Shade has a lot of videos showing his max dps while your multi "awesome "dps builds are plain paper things,stop being such geeks & just enjoy the game

Plus to you gara-xxx, it is just a game. Too many number crunchers "tweaking" the DPS stats all the time. Just get out there, hack-n-slash or toss a spell, and enjoy the game. Not too many things like this that you can enjoy for this low a price.

[Consumer]

well Shade has a lot of videos showing his max dps while your multi "awesome "dps builds are plain paper things,stop being such geeks & just enjoy the game

Except those of us that post the builds have played multiple melees. You call us geeks and yet here you are spending your time posting nothing of use to anybody. You even went as far as to necro the thread just to post your worthless insults.

You're the type of player that is still asking questions and we are the ones answering for you.

[Eistander]

With this thread somehow making it back to the limelight, people need to remember that this build is over 3 years old.. to mention that it stood the test of time as an easy to make, easy to play barbarian build, shows how effective it is. Sure, it might not be as "good" as an epic'd, fully tomed and decked out in epics twf horc.. but for anyone else, it's a mighty fine build, Honestly doesn't require anything too outlandish (wanted to fit that in somewhere!) to work properly. Anything else over and above simply adds to it.

I know I had done this build a long time ago, but since redid the toon that shared this build into a dorf Kensai and I am having a blast with it. I might revisit this build (I mean, it's simple enough to start with, so why not?) as a half-orc and go to town. For its simplicity, it really cannot be beat.

[pappo]

With this thread somehow making it back to the limelight, people need to remember that this build is over 3 years old.. to mention that it stood the test of time as an easy to make, easy to play barbarian build, shows how effective it is. Sure, it might not be as "good" as an epic'd, fully tomed and decked out in epics twf horc.. but for anyone else, it's a mighty fine build, Honestly doesn't require anything too outlandish (wanted to fit that in somewhere!) to work properly. Anything else over and above simply adds to it.

I know I had done this build a long time ago, but since redid the toon that shared this build into a dorf Kensai and I am having a blast with it. I might revisit this build (I mean, it's simple enough to start with, so why not?) as a half-orc and go to town. For its simplicity, it really cannot be beat.

Nice try Consumer, but you are not going to bait me into "flame city".

Eistander - Great comments. I have been playing this build and I really enjoy it. He is fast, and does great DPS. I went with the Dwarf and am glad I did. I would be interested in seeing how you half-orc him.

[stoolcannon]

Eistander - Great comments. I have been playing this build and I really enjoy it. He is fast, and does great DPS. I went with the Dwarf and am glad I did. I would be interested in seeing how you half-orc him.

Agreed on the great comments. This build has REALLY stood the test of time. I run it with minor mods to gear and enhancements and it's stellar. Not difficult to play, tons of dps, tons of kills, can tank anything and extremely effective in epics.

Hard to beat. The build, combined with the fact that I'm pretty **** good at playing it leaves me being a top contributor to most quests and raids I run. I love it and will be making some mods to it to adapt it to half orc here after four more shrouds.

[grodon9999]

I don't have one of these but I run with a bunch of guys who do. They get the job done.

[MeliCat]

My 1st TR of my this my first level 20, is now half orc and at level 8. Still loving those big numbers...

[stainer]

My 1st TR of my this my first level 20, is now half orc and at level 8. Still loving those big numbers...

This was my 3rd character to reach 20. When I want to see gigantic numbers, I run it. I still don't have the knosts ring.

[MeliCat]

This was my 3rd character to reach 20. When I want to see gigantic numbers, I run it. I still don't have the knosts ring.

They're fun aren't they? I got the ring on his 20th. I have the WF other version too as yet un-TRed. The WF version got *his* ring on his 2nd run before he got his belt - he's been quite a lucky toon - madstone's first run. Took him a while to get his leviks but that doesn't so much as affect his damage output as rather my friend guildie healer's moaning output :P

Should be interesting when I get him back to 20 again...

[stoolcannon]

They're fun aren't they? I got the ring on his 20th. I have the WF other version too as yet un-TRed. The WF version got *his* ring on his 2nd run before he got his belt - he's been quite a lucky toon - madstone's first run. Took him a while to get his leviks but that doesn't so much as affect his damage output as rather my friend guildie healer's moaning output :P

Should be interesting when I get him back to 20 again...

Mind sharing your enhancement choices with the Half Orc version? I'd like to see what others are thinking in that regard.

I've also been very lucky with gear. He's 3 months old now and I've got:
Knost's Set
Bloodstone
Epic Antique
Lit II GA
Levik's
Tumbleweed
Spectral's
Epic Mabar Cloak
Minos
DRagontouched (+5 Resist, Salt, EG) (+5 Resist, Magma, Enervation) (and a 3rd set I'm working on)
Marilith chain (as of yet un-epiced)
Epic House D Chain
Madstone Boots

Not bad for a toon that doesn't have 20 of any raid yet. I also got my knost's and encrusted on my 2nd run. The whole set! Special thanks to BigJunk of Ghallanda for talking the group into just passing it to me after he had witnessed the epic sh*tstorm I had just gone through in Epic Chrono on my wizard and knowing what a bad mood I was in

[Chai]

Still bantering back and forth about max DPS eh?

Shade didnt care about charts and calcs, he cared about application. I agreed with him maybe 50% of the time, but his method of putting his money where his mouth is, was the best I have seen on these boards. If I pulled his card on him saying something worked the way it did, I found a video further down in the same thread showing his application and how he made it work.

People can go back and forth about the numbers all they want, but their toons either perform the way the numbers say they do, or they dont. Videos showing it being done remove all doubt. Application rules your face.

Me: Pffft sins on elite? Dream on. This toon might be good sustainable DPS but it cant wipe its own arse in the self healing dpt. Do you heal ~800 points of damage with CSW pots?

Shade: Heres my video of me soloing sins on elite on my barb.

All the other moaners in the thread: /crickets chirping.

[Wraith_Sarevok]

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Enhancements:
Enhancements: Type - Name Rank - (Cost)
First off Prereqs for Berserker:
[barbarian] - Damage Boost IV (10)
[barbarian] - Power Rage IV (10)
[barbarian] - Power Attack III (6)
[barbarian] - Frenzy Berserker I (4)
[barbarian] - Frenzy Berserker II (2)
[barbarian] - Frenzy Berserker III (2)
Now onto others:
[barbarian] - Sprint Boost I (2) (Get it early on, it rocks)
[barbarian] - Hardy Rage II (3) (Rank 3 generally not worth it)
[barbarian] - Extra Rage I (2) (Not sure this build can afford rank 2/3)
[barbarian] - Extend Rage IV (10)
[barbarian] - Improved Damage Reduction II (6)
[barbarian] - Constitution I (2)
[barbarian] - Might Capstone (2)
[dwarf] - Dwarven Spell Defense III (6)
[dwarf] - Dwarven Axe Damage II (6)
[dwarf] - Constituion I (2)
73 points spent if I added that right
--- Below depends on lvl18 feat:
Toughness:
[barbarian] - Toughness II (3)
[dwarf] - Toughness II (3)
If Stunning Blow selected:
[dwarf] - Tactics II (6)

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Dear Shade,

Again, the same problem. Have 1 point remaining.

I choose to spend it on Barbarian Willpower I for more saves.

[Dunoky]

I can see this build is very popular and good, im trying to find me a good build that i can solo and be self sufficient at the same time im between some builds... but my question for u is : Is it possible to play this build and be self sufficient, like solo everything well? I mean, how ur gonna heal as a f2p since u dont have silver flame pots?

[TheFl0w]

I got 2 small questions:

1 is the build as posted in the start of the thread still valid?
2 in what order should i take my enhancements around the required frenzied berserker?

Cheers,

Fl0w

PS I am impressed by all the knowledge people here have about the different class builds, and i am certainly impressed by ur knowledge on barbarians Shade

[Shade]

I can see this build is very popular and good, im trying to find me a good build that i can solo and be self sufficient at the same time im between some builds... but my question for u is : Is it possible to play this build and be self sufficient, like solo everything well? I mean, how ur gonna heal as a f2p since u dont have silver flame pots?

Yep.

Healing: The same way VIP would heal from lvl1-20.. You usually won't get SF pots tell long after lvl20 on a first life character.
So you use regular Cure serious potions, and hirelings. (or group up)
Hirelings alone are sufficient to solo 95% of the quests in the game, but its good to have pots too as hirelings sometimes are slow or die.

1 is the build as posted in the start of the thread still valid?
2 in what order should i take my enhancements around the required frenzied berserker?

1. Yea.
2. mmm I think I did a full level by level progression list on my half orc guide here:
http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=298161
Just replace the half orc stuff with the dwarf stuff (orc melee dmg > Dwarven axe damage)
or ignore it if you cant see equivalents in this build.

[TheFl0w]

1. Yea.
2. mmm I think I did a full level by level progression list on my half orc guide here:
http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=298161
Just replace the half orc stuff with the dwarf stuff (orc melee dmg > Dwarven axe damage)
or ignore it if you cant see equivalents in this build.

Thanks for the reply. I see i need to play around with the enhancements between orc and dwarf but ill get it.

Thanks for this great build.

Cheers,

FL0w