Cost of Healer's Friend

[FrodoCorleone]

Am I the only one that feels that the 2-4-6 point progression for HF is out of wack? Asking a WF character to invest 12 APs to get 20% more healing comes out to be 3 levels worth of APs. I had to stop after HF I because I can't justify spending 4 APs for only a 5% increase in healing. That's hardly a blip on my barb's health bar. A change would be good for WFs and meatbags alike.

Devs, how about a 1-2-3 progression?

[RemoJr]

agreed. My belief on cost-V-benefit has been:

1.) arcaine casters- nothing, use repair
2.) semi-melee(bard, cleric, rogue, ect.)- HF 1, not worth it for HF2
3.) melee focused (fighter, barbarian, ect.)- HF2, HF3 isn't worth the cost

[wemery73]

ya they need to fix the ap cost

[Hvymetal]

Aye I never go above HF II, just costs too much, rather invest in DR (which also is of dubious usefullness considering how much high level mobs hit for)

[hammerstriker1]

and i'm right that they dont stack, correct? start at 50%, Healer's I +15%, II +20%, III +25%=75% total.

[Hvymetal]

and i'm right that they dont stack, correct? start at 50%, Healer's I +15%, II +20%, III +25%=75% total.

Yup you are correct.

[valczir]

Yeah, it seems worthless to go above HF I. With my monk, I'm going WF:HF I and M:IR II, 'cause HF I is way better than IR I, but HF II is the same as IR II. So HF II is a 5% improvement, IR II is a 10% improvement. Just seems natural to follow further ranks of IR and just leave HF at rank one.

Personally, I think that the bonus from HF should eventually (at tier three) net something close to a 50% bonus, which would leave us near 100% healing effectiveness, due to the high AP cost. Tier one seems about right at 15%, but tier two should be 25% or 30%, and tier three should follow suit. Teir two of HF is about as useful as a pet cricket.

[Leyoni]

IMO HF is worthless. Other enhancements are more valuable and arcanes are much more common than clerics. Invest in wands and pots, kindly ask the arcane to top you off after the fights and hit you in a real emergency, drink plenty of pots to try to avoid the emergency and spend the enhancements elsewhere.

Or, do like many and take an arcane level for wand use and just look after yourself.

Tell me again, how does Heal work?

[Castlehawk]

wow... you guys give WF a bad name.

Any WF melee type playing without HF3 is a liability and is IMO disrespectful of the people he/she pugs with (with your guild..perhaps another story). If you are relying on the APs to insure your toon is playable or "good" then you should look at rerolling.

Look at any high level raids or quests...and take a look at how you are being healed in game...

[Ereshkigal]

or you could take Improved Fortification at level 9 and stop those dirty divine casters from dripping their mana pools all over you.... dirty dirty divine casters... dirty...

[Hvymetal]

wow... you guys give WF a bad name.

Any WF melee type playing without HF3 is a liability and is IMO disrespectful of the people he/she pugs with (with your guild..perhaps another story). If you are relying on the APs to insure your toon is playable or "good" then you should look at rerolling.

Look at any high level raids or quests...and take a look at how you are being healed in game...

If an extra 5% healing is making or breaking the healers it might not be the WF that needs to reroll.......

[vainangel]

WF pots should cost less.
Other than that, healers can help top off my WF, I can take care of myself. If you play smart, healers just maintain most of the time.

[MrCow]

Look at any high level raids or quests...and take a look at how you are being healed in game...

I did, and the healing tends to come from myself.

[LOUDRampart]

If an extra 5% healing is making or breaking the healers it might not be the WF that needs to reroll.......

Now that's a funny statement.

[Arianrhod]

I did, and the healing tends to come from myself.

Yeah that's what I've seen, to be honest - it's fairly rare (at least in my experience) to find any WF over 7th level or so who's not prepared to handle a lot of their own healing (and quicker at it than the group's healer, even if they're trying to keep the WF healed, which can lead to a regrettable amount of "double-healing"). Under those circumstances, I can see where the decision about whether to invest in Healer's Friend is largely a question of how much non-arcane self-healing the WF does (WF clerics and bards might take more than the first level, if they have the enhancement points available).

[Varr]

Lol, I have two points that argue with themselves so will be hard to say Im on one side of the fence. First point, if I understand correctly warforged are in essance metal plated wooden constructs that have some type of souls (otherplanier?) tied to them. Divine spells being able to repair the damaged souls (?) and maybe heal some of the living wood makes some sence I suppose but a 50% penalty seems more than fair. It should cost a robot alot of creation focus (eps) to become more receptive to the lords good healing ways.

Point number two, low and mid level clericing for non casting wf is awefull. Sure once clerics get to the heal spell, at level 13.........they can normaly out heal the penalty. But 1-12 it is a total burden to heal warforged and most non wf casters are focused on other things. Proud/good clerics will still heal the wf, and do so without complaining in party, but in the back of their mind that level 6 warforged barb that is not drinking many pots is driving them crazy. And woe to the poor cleric that has two wf to try and heal in a level apporopriate quest before level 13. And I dont know the percent of warforged that are self healing or pot chugging or wand providing to the caster..........it is more than 10% and less than 90%...........

So........the ap investment makes sence to me as far as a cost side goes...........and it makes sence as far as a player investment to help the support classes heal warforged.

[jmonty]

IMO HF is worthless. Other enhancements are more valuable and arcanes are much more common than clerics.

if you don't take it at all you shouldn't expect the cleric to heal you at lower levels.

[Castlehawk]

If an extra 5% healing is making or breaking the healers it might not be the WF that needs to reroll.......

has nothing to do with making or breaking... has to do with the sum of all parts and the dynamics that healing has in the new raid content.

....healers have enough on their plate with regards to heal scrolls, mana management and overall costs to run a cleric...

[Castlehawk]

I did, and the healing tends to come from myself.

so while you are beating down the devil in the shroud... you are spending time to heal yourself? sounds like a great dps dealing...

[Aesop]

Actually apparently a WF is perfered in the new raids to be main tank because the Arcanes can heal them regardless of the Cursed wounds or whatever it is that makes healing impossible. thus requiring fewer Remove Curse castings and not wasting as much Clerical SP

Just playing devils advocate here mind you and going by what I read


Aesop