dear Turbine:

[Shecky]

Sounds about right. You can please some of the people all of the time, all of the people some of the time, but never all of the people all of the time.

*edit* BOOM, baby! OP ninja!

[Teufel_Hunden]

"I applaud your decision to change the raid loot mechanic. As a casual gamer, it will be nice to be able to get something from running a raid instead of a hefty repair bill and crushed dreams. After spending an hour getting a party together to run the pre/raid, not to mention the time it takes for the required quests to even get to the raid, then spending an hour or more on the raid itself, beating the end boss, it would be nice to walk away with something to show for our efforts. These "elite" few throw statistics, and percentages, and other crazy numbers, all relating on how it isn't fair, or how you are a bad company destined for eternal damnation in the nether regions of hades. Rage! Rage! Rage! against the dying of the light! RRRRRRAAAAerrrrrrrrrRRRRR!!! *ahem*. Anyway, thank you again for this change, as well as the other great changes."

Sincerely,
Joe Casual Gamer

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"I want to personally condemn you the the 9th level of Hades, to be forever burned for your utter incompetence. This new loot mechanic is horrible! and I think that you should change it to match what *I* tell you to. I pay my 15$ a month and I should get a say in what you do and how you conduct your game. This Raid Loot change is totally going to nerf my newer builds, and make me run quests over and over again, just to get something I want. The fact that I already run these quests over and over again to get something i want, when it doesn't drop for me, is irrelevant. I now only have a 16% chance of getting my raid drop. With that percentage, I can't inflate my ego or be able to laud my uberness over other gamers. You have made the raids harder, so much so that I'll have to 8 man the raid and not 4 man it. On top of that, you are forcing me to group to play a group based game. I have paid my 15$ and i don't think you should be allowed to do this. This is intolerable, and I think i'm going to cancel my subscription! You've ruined DDO! Again!"

Angrily,
Henry Powergamer

Does that about sum it up? Feel free to discuss.

[The_Silver_Griffon]

"I applaud your decision to change the raid loot mechanic. As a casual gamer, it will be nice to be able to get something from running a raid instead of a hefty repair bill and crushed dreams. After spending an hour getting a party together to run the pre/raid, not to mention the time it takes for the required quests to even get to the raid, then spending an hour or more on the raid itself, beating the end boss, it would be nice to walk away with something to show for our efforts. These "elite" few throw statistics, and percentages, and other crazy numbers, all relating on how it isn't fair, or how you are a bad company destined for eternal damnation in the nether regions of hades. Rage! Rage! Rage! against the dying of the light! RRRRRRAAAAerrrrrrrrrRRRRR!!! *ahem*. Anyway, thank you again for this change, as well as the other great changes."

Sincerely,
Joe Casual Gamer

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"I want to personally condemn you the the 9th level of Hades, to be forever burned for your utter incompetence. This new loot mechanic is horrible! and I think that you should change it to match what *I* tell you to. I pay my 15$ a month and I should get a say in what you do and how you conduct your game. This Raid Loot change is totally going to nerf my newer builds, and make me run quests over and over again, just to get something I want. The fact that I already run these quests over and over again to get something i want, when it doesn't drop for me, is irrelevant. I now only have a 16% chance of getting my raid drop. With that percentage, I can't inflate my ego or be able to laud my uberness over other gamers. You have made the raids harder, so much so that I'll have to 8 man the raid and not 4 man it. On top of that, you are forcing me to group to play a group based game. I have paid my 15$ and i don't think you should be allowed to do this. This is intolerable, and I think i'm going to cancel my subscription! You've ruined DDO! Again!"

Angrily,
Henry Powergamer

Does that about sum it up? Feel free to discuss.

ROFLMAO

Absolutely perfect...

[Gambit]

"I applaud your decision to change the raid loot mechanic. As a casual gamer, it will be nice to be able to get something from running a raid instead of a hefty repair bill and crushed dreams. After spending an hour getting a party together to run the pre/raid, not to mention the time it takes for the required quests to even get to the raid, then spending an hour or more on the raid itself, beating the end boss, it would be nice to walk away with something to show for our efforts. These "elite" few throw statistics, and percentages, and other crazy numbers, all relating on how it isn't fair, or how you are a bad company destined for eternal damnation in the nether regions of hades. Rage! Rage! Rage! against the dying of the light! RRRRRRAAAAerrrrrrrrrRRRRR!!! *ahem*. Anyway, thank you again for this change, as well as the other great changes."

Sincerely,
Joe Casual Gamer

_______________________________________

"I want to personally condemn you the the 9th level of Hades, to be forever burned for your utter incompetence. This new loot mechanic is horrible! and I think that you should change it to match what *I* tell you to. I pay my 15$ a month and I should get a say in what you do and how you conduct your game. This Raid Loot change is totally going to nerf my newer builds, and make me run quests over and over again, just to get something I want. The fact that I already run these quests over and over again to get something i want, when it doesn't drop for me, is irrelevant. I now only have a 16% chance of getting my raid drop. With that percentage, I can't inflate my ego or be able to laud my uberness over other gamers. You have made the raids harder, so much so that I'll have to 8 man the raid and not 4 man it. On top of that, you are forcing me to group to play a group based game. I have paid my 15$ and i don't think you should be allowed to do this. This is intolerable, and I think i'm going to cancel my subscription! You've ruined DDO! Again!"

Angrily,
Henry Powergamer

Does that about sum it up? Feel free to discuss.

How many hours a week and how many times a week do you say you devote to ddo? I am just curious what kind of hours a casual player puts into this game. Thanks!!!

[Ziggy]

How many hours a week and how many times a week do you say you devote to ddo? I am just curious what kind of hours a casual player puts into this game. Thanks!!!

2-3 nights a week, maybe 4-5 hours each night.

[Gambit]

2-3 nights a week, maybe 4-5 hours each night.

Thanks ziggy!

[Gypsy_Mouse]

As a casual gamer, it will be nice to be able to get something from running a raid instead of a hefty repair bill and crushed dreams.

While I don't consider myself a casual gamer (I'm on just about every night for a couple hours at minimum), you've summed up my sentiments exactly with that one statement.

I'm so sick of going on raids and never getting a **** thing for my efforts except the end reward which is usually decent, but not something I want or can use. It's why I avoid raids like the plague.

At least NOW if I don't get any raid loot, I'll still get something I can sell to help with repair and restock costs.

[Ziggy]

Thanks ziggy!

no problem.

I spend more time on the boards then i do playing.(but thats because i can post from work)

well that and the wife and house cut into my time actually playing.

[Gimpster]

"I applaud your decision to change the raid loot mechanic. As a casual gamer, it will be nice to be able to get something from running a raid instead of a hefty repair bill and crushed dreams.

What is this supposed to mean?

The new changes will mean it is now possible to complete the raid and get NOTHING. That is the opposite of "something". Why is the casual gamer supposedly happy of a change which gives him nothing, when he says he wants something?

Suppose Joe Casual finally gets up the courage and dedication to assemble a team of 6 other players and they go beat the Warforged Titan raid for the first time for any of them. Hurray! And then thier chest contents is... exactly what they could get by running Prison of the Planes on normal difficulty. How is that better than if they had instead been looking at two pieces of custom loot, unobtainable from anywhere else?

[rnor6084]

"I applaud your decision to change the raid loot mechanic. As a casual gamer, it will be nice to be able to get something from running a raid instead of a hefty repair bill and crushed dreams. After spending an hour getting a party together to run the pre/raid, not to mention the time it takes for the required quests to even get to the raid, then spending an hour or more on the raid itself, beating the end boss, it would be nice to walk away with something to show for our efforts. These "elite" few throw statistics, and percentages, and other crazy numbers, all relating on how it isn't fair, or how you are a bad company destined for eternal damnation in the nether regions of hades. Rage! Rage! Rage! against the dying of the light! RRRRRRAAAAerrrrrrrrrRRRRR!!! *ahem*. Anyway, thank you again for this change, as well as the other great changes."

Sincerely,
Joe Casual Gamer

_______________________________________

"I want to personally condemn you the the 9th level of Hades, to be forever burned for your utter incompetence. This new loot mechanic is horrible! and I think that you should change it to match what *I* tell you to. I pay my 15$ a month and I should get a say in what you do and how you conduct your game. This Raid Loot change is totally going to nerf my newer builds, and make me run quests over and over again, just to get something I want. The fact that I already run these quests over and over again to get something i want, when it doesn't drop for me, is irrelevant. I now only have a 16% chance of getting my raid drop. With that percentage, I can't inflate my ego or be able to laud my uberness over other gamers. You have made the raids harder, so much so that I'll have to 8 man the raid and not 4 man it. On top of that, you are forcing me to group to play a group based game. I have paid my 15$ and i don't think you should be allowed to do this. This is intolerable, and I think i'm going to cancel my subscription! You've ruined DDO! Again!"

Angrily,
Henry Powergamer

Does that about sum it up? Feel free to discuss.

Incredible. True poetry. Summed up to perfection!

[Gypsy_Mouse]

What is this supposed to mean?

The new changes will mean it is now possible to complete the raid and get NOTHING. That is the opposite of "something". Why is the casual gamer supposedly happy of a change which gives him nothing, when he says he wants something?

Uhh, because you still get something out of the chest, even if it isn't a piece of raid loot.

I think a lot of people are missing that.

[Uska]

Hurrah for you and I do agree some of my friends and foes may not but ahh well were not here to be popular

[Cupcake]

What is this supposed to mean?

The new changes will mean it is now possible to complete the raid and get NOTHING. That is the opposite of "something". Why is the casual gamer supposedly happy of a change which gives him nothing, when he says he wants something?

Suppose Joe Casual finally gets up the courage and dedication to assemble a team of 6 other players and they go beat the Warforged Titan raid for the first time for any of them. Hurray! And then thier chest contents is... exactly what they could get by running Prison of the Planes on normal difficulty. How is that better than if they had instead been looking at two pieces of custom loot, unobtainable from anywhere else?

I get nothing now. so, what is the difference?

[Uska]

What is this supposed to mean?

The new changes will mean it is now possible to complete the raid and get NOTHING. That is the opposite of "something". Why is the casual gamer supposedly happy of a change which gives him nothing, when he says he wants something?

Suppose Joe Casual finally gets up the courage and dedication to assemble a team of 6 other players and they go beat the Warforged Titan raid for the first time for any of them. Hurray! And then thier chest contents is... exactly what they could get by running Prison of the Planes on normal difficulty. How is that better than if they had instead been looking at two pieces of custom loot, unobtainable from anywhere else?

he gets a chance at raid loot which a lot of people dont now because of guilds using a bonus on roll or saying sorry only letting guildes have a chance and they are going to get something from the chest so more and more I am thinking this change only hurts power gamers.

[Gambit]

What is this supposed to mean?

The new changes will mean it is now possible to complete the raid and get NOTHING. That is the opposite of "something". Why is the casual gamer supposedly happy of a change which gives him nothing, when he says he wants something?

Suppose Joe Casual finally gets up the courage and dedication to assemble a team of 6 other players and they go beat the Warforged Titan raid for the first time for any of them. Hurray! And then thier chest contents is... exactly what they could get by running Prison of the Planes on normal difficulty. How is that better than if they had instead been looking at two pieces of custom loot, unobtainable from anywhere else?

Perfect response! I also got the short stick when it came to raid loot until I started to short man raids. I just don't understand why anybody would think this new system is somehow a fix to the problems with raid loot.

[Cupcake]

he gets a chance at raid loot which a lot of people dont now because of guilds using a bonus on roll or saying sorry only letting guildes have a chance and they are going to get something from the chest so more and more I am thinking this change only hurts power gamers.

Which may be why there is such a hoopla about it.

Uska, you always been decent with me. So I will ask you my question.

I have been on various dragon raids. Mostly full party. So, you have 12 people. One final chest, 2 names items.

Party leader tells us what the items are. Rules of distribution: You cannot roll for the item for anyone BUT yourself and you must need the item.

So, those that want to roll line up and proceed to roll, 2 rolls each d100, for the item in question. Highest roll wins.

That is how we distribute raid loot. Now, with 6 people, the same philosphy would be applied. 2 people get an item, 10 do not.

I guess I just don't understand the change that is intended, or how having a smaller party would not benefit.

[Gambit]

Uhh, because you still get something out of the chest, even if it isn't a piece of raid loot.

I think a lot of people are missing that.

NO! I don't want something out of a chest or a vorpal for that matter. When I raid VON 5&6 it is because I want a specific raid item. If I just want something then I will go run POP because it take a lot less time to run.

[Gypsy_Mouse]

I also got the short stick when it came to raid loot until I started to short man raids.

And good for you! But some of us aren't able to short man raids to twink our characters.

So the new mechanic will help us who get screwed out of raid loot all the time and rain a little on your powergaming experience. Sorry, but I'm not that sorry.

Now, if someone wants to suggest that those who aren't "privileged" enough to get a piece of raid loot from the warded chest should get one extra level-appropriate piece of loot (a "losers" reward), then I could live with that.

As it is, I spend craploads when I raid. I want something out of it if I get screwed out of raid loot.

[NameisToad]

How many hours a week and how many times a week do you say you devote to ddo? I am just curious what kind of hours a casual player puts into this game. Thanks!!!

I don't know if I count as a casual gamer or not. I play 3-5 hours a day during the week and 7-9 hours a day on weekends. I've been playing for over a year. I have one character with raid loot, and he only has a couple of the dragon's less desirable items.

I'm ecstatic about this change, as it may mean I can get into a raid group or two, and perhaps find a decent frickin guild.


I am curious why it matters to you how many hours a casual gamer plays. They pay $15 to Turbine, same as we do, but they use less of Turbine's resources. I'd say Turbine has cause to like the average casual gamer better than us anyway. (Still not sure if I'm a casual gamer or a hard-core powergamer, but I definitely use more resources than your average MMOer)

[Draclaud]

You folks who are all giddy about this are giddy because you have felt slighted. Is it a good idea to rob people who have found a better way to do things so that you can feel better about yourselves?

"yah! go get em Turbine you fix those uber raid loot guys! You FORCE em to take me along even though I'm a putz..."

Right...Good idea...Tourque the most loyal of the base for the sake of the loud people...great idea...

For all of you wanting things to equal, it's not. It shouldn't be. Better, smarter players should be allowed to have a leg up if they're smart enough and abitious enough to do it. Rather than making everything equal then no one can succeed. Need evidence? In Cuba and Soviet Russia people were all equal, and no one was rewarded for excelling...gee works great huh?