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    Default dear Turbine:

    "I applaud your decision to change the raid loot mechanic. As a casual gamer, it will be nice to be able to get something from running a raid instead of a hefty repair bill and crushed dreams. After spending an hour getting a party together to run the pre/raid, not to mention the time it takes for the required quests to even get to the raid, then spending an hour or more on the raid itself, beating the end boss, it would be nice to walk away with something to show for our efforts. These "elite" few throw statistics, and percentages, and other crazy numbers, all relating on how it isn't fair, or how you are a bad company destined for eternal damnation in the nether regions of hades. Rage! Rage! Rage! against the dying of the light! RRRRRRAAAAerrrrrrrrrRRRRR!!! *ahem*. Anyway, thank you again for this change, as well as the other great changes."

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    "I want to personally condemn you the the 9th level of Hades, to be forever burned for your utter incompetence. This new loot mechanic is horrible! and I think that you should change it to match what *I* tell you to. I pay my 15$ a month and I should get a say in what you do and how you conduct your game. This Raid Loot change is totally going to nerf my newer builds, and make me run quests over and over again, just to get something I want. The fact that I already run these quests over and over again to get something i want, when it doesn't drop for me, is irrelevant. I now only have a 16% chance of getting my raid drop. With that percentage, I can't inflate my ego or be able to laud my uberness over other gamers. You have made the raids harder, so much so that I'll have to 8 man the raid and not 4 man it. On top of that, you are forcing me to group to play a group based game. I have paid my 15$ and i don't think you should be allowed to do this. This is intolerable, and I think i'm going to cancel my subscription! You've ruined DDO! Again!"

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    Sounds about right. You can please some of the people all of the time, all of the people some of the time, but never all of the people all of the time.

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    Hurrah for you and I do agree some of my friends and foes may not but ahh well were not here to be popular


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    Quote Originally Posted by Teufel Hunden View Post
    "I applaud your decision to change the raid loot mechanic. As a casual gamer, it will be nice to be able to get something from running a raid instead of a hefty repair bill and crushed dreams. After spending an hour getting a party together to run the pre/raid, not to mention the time it takes for the required quests to even get to the raid, then spending an hour or more on the raid itself, beating the end boss, it would be nice to walk away with something to show for our efforts. These "elite" few throw statistics, and percentages, and other crazy numbers, all relating on how it isn't fair, or how you are a bad company destined for eternal damnation in the nether regions of hades. Rage! Rage! Rage! against the dying of the light! RRRRRRAAAAerrrrrrrrrRRRRR!!! *ahem*. Anyway, thank you again for this change, as well as the other great changes."

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    Joe Casual Gamer

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    "I want to personally condemn you the the 9th level of Hades, to be forever burned for your utter incompetence. This new loot mechanic is horrible! and I think that you should change it to match what *I* tell you to. I pay my 15$ a month and I should get a say in what you do and how you conduct your game. This Raid Loot change is totally going to nerf my newer builds, and make me run quests over and over again, just to get something I want. The fact that I already run these quests over and over again to get something i want, when it doesn't drop for me, is irrelevant. I now only have a 16% chance of getting my raid drop. With that percentage, I can't inflate my ego or be able to laud my uberness over other gamers. You have made the raids harder, so much so that I'll have to 8 man the raid and not 4 man it. On top of that, you are forcing me to group to play a group based game. I have paid my 15$ and i don't think you should be allowed to do this. This is intolerable, and I think i'm going to cancel my subscription! You've ruined DDO! Again!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teufel Hunden View Post
    "I applaud your decision to change the raid loot mechanic. As a casual gamer, it will be nice to be able to get something from running a raid instead of a hefty repair bill and crushed dreams. After spending an hour getting a party together to run the pre/raid, not to mention the time it takes for the required quests to even get to the raid, then spending an hour or more on the raid itself, beating the end boss, it would be nice to walk away with something to show for our efforts. These "elite" few throw statistics, and percentages, and other crazy numbers, all relating on how it isn't fair, or how you are a bad company destined for eternal damnation in the nether regions of hades. Rage! Rage! Rage! against the dying of the light! RRRRRRAAAAerrrrrrrrrRRRRR!!! *ahem*. Anyway, thank you again for this change, as well as the other great changes."

    Sincerely,
    Joe Casual Gamer

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    "I want to personally condemn you the the 9th level of Hades, to be forever burned for your utter incompetence. This new loot mechanic is horrible! and I think that you should change it to match what *I* tell you to. I pay my 15$ a month and I should get a say in what you do and how you conduct your game. This Raid Loot change is totally going to nerf my newer builds, and make me run quests over and over again, just to get something I want. The fact that I already run these quests over and over again to get something i want, when it doesn't drop for me, is irrelevant. I now only have a 16% chance of getting my raid drop. With that percentage, I can't inflate my ego or be able to laud my uberness over other gamers. You have made the raids harder, so much so that I'll have to 8 man the raid and not 4 man it. On top of that, you are forcing me to group to play a group based game. I have paid my 15$ and i don't think you should be allowed to do this. This is intolerable, and I think i'm going to cancel my subscription! You've ruined DDO! Again!"

    Angrily,
    Henry Powergamer

    Does that about sum it up? Feel free to discuss.

    How many hours a week and how many times a week do you say you devote to ddo? I am just curious what kind of hours a casual player puts into this game. Thanks!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gambit View Post
    How many hours a week and how many times a week do you say you devote to ddo? I am just curious what kind of hours a casual player puts into this game. Thanks!!!
    2-3 nights a week, maybe 4-5 hours each night.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ziggy View Post
    2-3 nights a week, maybe 4-5 hours each night.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gambit View Post
    Thanks ziggy!
    no problem.

    I spend more time on the boards then i do playing.(but thats because i can post from work)

    well that and the wife and house cut into my time actually playing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gambit View Post
    How many hours a week and how many times a week do you say you devote to ddo? I am just curious what kind of hours a casual player puts into this game. Thanks!!!
    I don't know if I count as a casual gamer or not. I play 3-5 hours a day during the week and 7-9 hours a day on weekends. I've been playing for over a year. I have one character with raid loot, and he only has a couple of the dragon's less desirable items.

    I'm ecstatic about this change, as it may mean I can get into a raid group or two, and perhaps find a decent frickin guild.


    I am curious why it matters to you how many hours a casual gamer plays. They pay $15 to Turbine, same as we do, but they use less of Turbine's resources. I'd say Turbine has cause to like the average casual gamer better than us anyway. (Still not sure if I'm a casual gamer or a hard-core powergamer, but I definitely use more resources than your average MMOer)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teufel Hunden View Post
    As a casual gamer, it will be nice to be able to get something from running a raid instead of a hefty repair bill and crushed dreams.
    While I don't consider myself a casual gamer (I'm on just about every night for a couple hours at minimum), you've summed up my sentiments exactly with that one statement.

    I'm so sick of going on raids and never getting a **** thing for my efforts except the end reward which is usually decent, but not something I want or can use. It's why I avoid raids like the plague.

    At least NOW if I don't get any raid loot, I'll still get something I can sell to help with repair and restock costs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Teufel Hunden View Post
    "I applaud your decision to change the raid loot mechanic. As a casual gamer, it will be nice to be able to get something from running a raid instead of a hefty repair bill and crushed dreams.
    What is this supposed to mean?

    The new changes will mean it is now possible to complete the raid and get NOTHING. That is the opposite of "something". Why is the casual gamer supposedly happy of a change which gives him nothing, when he says he wants something?

    Suppose Joe Casual finally gets up the courage and dedication to assemble a team of 6 other players and they go beat the Warforged Titan raid for the first time for any of them. Hurray! And then thier chest contents is... exactly what they could get by running Prison of the Planes on normal difficulty. How is that better than if they had instead been looking at two pieces of custom loot, unobtainable from anywhere else?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gimpster View Post
    What is this supposed to mean?

    The new changes will mean it is now possible to complete the raid and get NOTHING. That is the opposite of "something". Why is the casual gamer supposedly happy of a change which gives him nothing, when he says he wants something?
    Uhh, because you still get something out of the chest, even if it isn't a piece of raid loot.

    I think a lot of people are missing that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gypsy Mouse View Post
    Uhh, because you still get something out of the chest, even if it isn't a piece of raid loot.

    I think a lot of people are missing that.
    NO! I don't want something out of a chest or a vorpal for that matter. When I raid VON 5&6 it is because I want a specific raid item. If I just want something then I will go run POP because it take a lot less time to run.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gambit View Post
    NO! I don't want something out of a chest or a vorpal for that matter. When I raid VON 5&6 it is because I want a specific raid item. If I just want something then I will go run POP because it take a lot less time to run.
    And you must be another one of those, "I built my XX with XX from the Dragon, XX from DQ, XX for the Titan, and XX from the Reaver in mind! Now I can't get them as soon as I want them?!? W.TF!?!?!!!!!11eleventyoneBBQ!


    Do you score a piece of raid loot each time you raid?
    No?
    Well now they're at least guaranteeing you'll get A piece of loot.


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    Currently, when you defeat the Reaver, there is ONE warded chest and THREE regular chests. For those who say they just need a piece of loot (those content with ANY loot), they already have that (3 chests worth). I think the reason people are upset is because now there is a chance that you get a group together, run the raid, and find that NOBODY got anything good. Instead of having ONE warded chest and THREE regular chests, you get FOUR regular chests... not a big impovement IMO... (Remember that you're probably running the raid on normal rather than elite, so running POP on elite = higher level quest = better regular chests anyway)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gypsy Mouse View Post
    I'm all for loot. I don't give a rat's ass what kind of loot it is.
    Now this one I like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gypsy Mouse View Post
    Uhh, because you still get something out of the chest, even if it isn't a piece of raid loot.

    I think a lot of people are missing that.
    Yea, and you are forgetting that there are 1 or 2 other chests right by the raid loot chest, so you already got your random, usually garbage, loot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oronisi View Post
    Yea, and you are forgetting that there are 1 or 2 other chests right by the raid loot chest, so you already got your random, usually garbage, loot.
    So now when I don't get any raid loot, I'll get at least one more piece of garbage loot to sell.

    Sounds good to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gimpster View Post
    What is this supposed to mean?

    The new changes will mean it is now possible to complete the raid and get NOTHING. That is the opposite of "something". Why is the casual gamer supposedly happy of a change which gives him nothing, when he says he wants something?

    Suppose Joe Casual finally gets up the courage and dedication to assemble a team of 6 other players and they go beat the Warforged Titan raid for the first time for any of them. Hurray! And then thier chest contents is... exactly what they could get by running Prison of the Planes on normal difficulty. How is that better than if they had instead been looking at two pieces of custom loot, unobtainable from anywhere else?
    I get nothing now. so, what is the difference?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gimpster View Post
    What is this supposed to mean?

    The new changes will mean it is now possible to complete the raid and get NOTHING. That is the opposite of "something". Why is the casual gamer supposedly happy of a change which gives him nothing, when he says he wants something?

    Suppose Joe Casual finally gets up the courage and dedication to assemble a team of 6 other players and they go beat the Warforged Titan raid for the first time for any of them. Hurray! And then thier chest contents is... exactly what they could get by running Prison of the Planes on normal difficulty. How is that better than if they had instead been looking at two pieces of custom loot, unobtainable from anywhere else?

    he gets a chance at raid loot which a lot of people dont now because of guilds using a bonus on roll or saying sorry only letting guildes have a chance and they are going to get something from the chest so more and more I am thinking this change only hurts power gamers.


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