Raids - Please make them all flag like Titan or Reaver

[Shyver]

just curious, how long does it take you to run a full titan raid (excluding flagging)?

I have run a full VoN1-6 or full DQ flagging/raid in about 2-3 hours. Thats with alot of practice, though some groups reportedly go faster. Yes, that includes "between times".

I'd imagine that the Titan, after alot of practice, would probably take 1-2 hours.

And, of course, the reaver's time is inconsequential (probably 10-30 minutes).

Typical Von 1-6 is 90 min.

Typical Forge & Titan is 60 min.

Typical Reaver is 15 min.

Typical DQ is.....well since they changed everything over to red named haven't brought her down yet...got a new technique to try this weekend though.

[Blazer]

Typical DQ is.....well since they changed everything over to red named haven't brought her down yet...got a new technique to try this weekend though.

Since there are a couple of different methods for this raid, it's hard to say what is "typical". If you're going the way of the ranger, about 15-20 min. If you're going the way of the sheer melee power...I have no idea, never done this way.

[Gimpster]

I have run a full VoN1-6 or full DQ flagging/raid in about 2-3 hours. Thats with alot of practice, though some groups reportedly go faster. Yes, that includes "between times".

Huh. My best time for Queen Laliat (4 quests + raid) is 66 minutes, counting travel time between quests. That is using the Haste spell.

[Shyver]

Huh. My best time for Queen Laliat (4 quests + raid) is 66 minutes, counting travel time between quests. That is using the Haste spell.

Wow, I'm truly impressed. (no sarcasm) 66 min. for the 4 + raid seems very fast. If we were to run the 4 + raid we'd be looking at at least 2.5 hours I would have to guess.

[Belfalcon]

it dont matter what mmo you play flageing is a part of life here is a copy/paste of World of warcraft forums

0. MC/Ony/BWL/NAXX Attunements | 07/31/2007 09:08:17 AM PDT
Is there any possibility of getting these attunements lifted since they are all old world raids? Doesnt make sense to keep the attunements since they are old world content which people dont really runa nymore other than for fun. Lifting attunements would be a nice way to let people go back and see what they never did at 60, its not like the loot is better than anything you can get from blues at 70 except a few items.

see same stuff diff game.. just deal with it and run.. no one is telling you need to raid.. so.

[Shyver]

no one is telling you need to raid.. so.

Actualy with the severe lack of high end content Turbine is........

[DagazUlf]

I know noone asked for my opinion, but I'll give it anyway.

Running VoN 1-4 everytime you want to do the dragon raid is a PITA.
Running WK, OoB, and CoF everytime you want to do the DQ raid is a PITA.

What I would personally like to see, is 12 man pre-raids like VoN5 and Twilight Forge. The TOR and killing the dragons, and Against the DQ, should be scaled up for 12 people. And then you make the pre-raid + the raid the only parts of the raid quest series that need to be repeated, just like Twilight Forge.

That way, a raid is a multi-person run that actually requires more than 15 min. Having fun with a big group of your friends and socializing a little = a lot more fun IMHO.

Yeah! What he said.

[Riggs]

I know noone asked for my opinion, but I'll give it anyway.

Running VoN 1-4 everytime you want to do the dragon raid is a PITA.
Running WK, OoB, and CoF everytime you want to do the DQ raid is a PITA.

What I would personally like to see, is 12 man pre-raids like VoN5 and Twilight Forge. The TOR and killing the dragons, and Against the DQ, should be scaled up for 12 people. And then you make the pre-raid + the raid the only parts of the raid quest series that need to be repeated, just like Twilight Forge.

That way, a raid is a multi-person run that actually requires more than 15 min. Having fun with a big group of your friends and socializing a little = a lot more fun IMHO.

Ditto.

People used to like running Tempest in part because it was a pick up 12 person raid. No pre-req, just set an flm and eventually 12 people joined up and usually had fun.

With the change to the loot mechanic, more groups will be running more people in raids. BUT those groups will have to flag in separate groups still, or in dribs and drabs in the days before.

Much better would be to "Flag once, flag forever" then just start a raid. Run Von 5 and Von6, or Twilight Forge and Twilight Core, Court of Liliat and Circle of Eternity. Tor and Inner Sanctum. This would be the best solution, to apply the current best practice to all the raids.

[Draclaud]

I'd agree to make them all permaflagged. Might make the grind a little less painful, now that your chance of getting raid loot just decreased to 16%...

[Mhykke]

I'd agree to make them all permaflagged. Might make the grind a little less painful, now that your chance of getting raid loot just decreased to 16%...

Agree.

W/ this new raid loot system, turbine has to eliminate flagging used by VoNs or DQ.....Once you do it, you have it complete, and don't need to run all again, every single time.

[GramercyRiff]

Huh. My best time for Queen Laliat (4 quests + raid) is 66 minutes, counting travel time between quests. That is using the Haste spell.

Lies (joke). The run out to Burning City takes 30 minutes by itself (intentional exaggeration).

Seriously, we need to stay ready for VON and DQ. For DQ force us to do the pre raid over to get ready. I'd be fine with that. But if I have to run out to Burning City one more time...I won't ever be DQ ready again. It's a shame too, cause DQ is kinda fun and there are some good/great raid items in there.

[hannika]

Value of multi-quest flag: Slows down the loot whoring.

i'm sorry i'm sorry. did you just say VALUE in slowing down the loot whoring? w.t.f.? loot whoring is all we have left :| that and rolling more and more toons. i actually have all 8 slots taken up now. we raid, we loot *****, we come up with new toon designs. there isn't anything to actually DO in ddo anymore besides that. what are we gonna do? take our lvl 14's over to house K to kill some dwarves just to look at the unnatrually blue water? treck out to siering heights just for the sunsets? cuz right now that's the only reason I'D be there.

[Gimpster]

just curious, how long does it take you to run a full titan raid (excluding flagging)?

As it happens, I just led a pug Titan run with a bunch of first-timers. 54 minutes in Twilight Forge, 34 minutes in Titan Core. That's just under double my time with a regular guild team.