Spellsinger Bug/Issue

[Cedrica-the-Bard]

The beneficial bard enhancement songs last 60 seconds + 6 seconds per bard level, and should be improved by lingering song effects.

You said "beneficial songs" however, my testing for the Virtuoso fascinate indicates the baddies fascinated by that stay fascinated about half the time as the regular fascinate. Can you confirm the formula also applies to the Virtuoso fascinate?

[Freeman]

So the spellsinger bard i just rolled and powerleveled can't be a spellsinger unless i can find a perfect shard and an extra 10kpp to throw out?

Or you do the dragonmark quest.

Edit: Do I get bonus points for managing to ninja both Aeneas and my other post?

[Aeneas]

So the spellsinger bard i just rolled and powerleveled can't be a spellsinger unless i can find a perfect shard and an extra 10kpp to throw out?

[Freeman]

You said "beneficial songs" however, my testing for the Virtuoso fascinate indicates the baddies fascinated by that stay fascinated about half the time as the regular fascinate. Can you confirm the formula also applies to the Virtuoso fascinate?

From the numbers given with 40% extra from Lingering Song, it should last 3 minutes 21 seconds. How long does a regular fascinate last?(I don't usually see anything survive long enough to time it) Now, the question becomes whether Fascinate is considered a beneficial song. I wouldn't think so, since it doesn't buff the party, but Lingering Song has affected it in the past.

[Cedrica-the-Bard]

From the numbers given with 40% extra from Lingering Song, it should last 3 minutes 21 seconds. How long does a regular fascinate last?(I don't usually see anything survive long enough to time it) Now, the question becomes whether Fascinate is considered a beneficial song. I wouldn't think so, since it doesn't buff the party, but Lingering Song has affected it in the past.

My Virtuoso fascinate lasted 1:50 before they broke and my regular fascinate lasts just under 3 minutes (thereabouts...). I have Lingering II.

[Cedrica-the-Bard]

So the spellsinger bard i just rolled and powerleveled can't be a spellsinger unless i can find a perfect shard and an extra 10kpp to throw out?

You don't even have Mental Toughness? I would think that with 5 feats available to a pure Drow Bard, that or SF: Enchantment or Mental Toughness would easily be on your list of feats, at the very least.

But if not, yeah, you'll have to snag a shard and dish out some cash since you are Drow and can't get the freebie feat respect from the Dragonmark quest. (or can you?)

[Freeman]

My Virtuoso fascinate lasted 1:50 before they broke and my regular fascinate lasts just under 3 minutes (thereabouts...). I have Lingering II.

What level bard are you?

[Eladrin]

You said "beneficial songs" however, my testing for the Virtuoso fascinate indicates the baddies fascinated by that stay fascinated about half the time as the regular fascinate. Can you confirm the formula also applies to the Virtuoso fascinate?

I'll look into it. The enthrallment from the Virtuoso enhancement should last just as long as a fascinated enemy.

The Lingering Song enhancements are "Your beneficial songs last 20/40/60/80% longer than normal.", so really should only be affecting non-offensive songs. Fascinate is probably improperly flagged to gain the lingering song bonus. If that's so, we'll evaluate which behavior should be considered correct and update whichever one we decide should be wrong. I'm currently also looking into ways of having a character's Perform skill have an effect on your songs - it's likely that that will somehow play into song durations, so there's no need to panic about fascinate durations yet.

[Coldin]

'm currently also looking into ways of having a character's Perform skill have an effect on your songs - it's likely that that will somehow play into song durations, so there's no need to panic about fascinate durations yet.

Oooo...if skill effected duration, every bard would be after +perform items.

[Freeman]

I'll look into it. The enthrallment from the Virtuoso enhancement should last just as long as a fascinated enemy.

The Lingering Song enhancements are "Your beneficial songs last 20/40/60/80% longer than normal.", so really should only be affecting non-offensive songs. Fascinate is probably improperly flagged to gain the lingering song bonus. If that's so, we'll evaluate which behavior should be considered correct and update whichever one we decide should be wrong. I'm currently also looking into ways of having a character's Perform skill have an effect on your songs - it's likely that that will somehow play into song durations, so there's no need to panic about fascinate durations yet.

Sweet, perform might actually mean something in the game! Thanks for the info and posts to clear things up for us. Now, if we could just get some info on the Crippling Strike problem I'd be a happy camper

[Aldmare]

I have both Warchanter and Spellsinger on my 2 bards, and the songs are being dispelled. Is this the way is was supposed to be? Inspire ... isn't, just curious.

[Freeman]

I have both Warchanter and Spellsinger on my 2 bards, and the songs are being dispelled. Is this the way is was supposed to be? Inspire ... isn't, just curious.

If they are like most other bard buff songs, they should be considered supernatural abilities and enemy casters shouldn't be able to dispel them. It is probably just improperly flagged as a spell.

[Cedrica-the-Bard]

What level bard are you?

My Virtuoso bard is 13 Bard/1 Fighter.
My Spellsinger bard is 14 Bard.

[Cedrica-the-Bard]

I'll look into it. The enthrallment from the Virtuoso enhancement should last just as long as a fascinated enemy.

The Lingering Song enhancements are "Your beneficial songs last 20/40/60/80% longer than normal.", so really should only be affecting non-offensive songs. Fascinate is probably improperly flagged to gain the lingering song bonus. If that's so, we'll evaluate which behavior should be considered correct and update whichever one we decide should be wrong. I'm currently also looking into ways of having a character's Perform skill have an effect on your songs - it's likely that that will somehow play into song durations, so there's no need to panic about fascinate durations yet.

That's fabulous! Thanks so much for replying.

[sergiok4]

Why in the world would these songs be different from other beneficial songs? And they could have changed the tune - the least they can do. I think the songs should all last the same and be affected by Lingering Song.

[Aeneas]

My bard is fine. The complaint was a hypothetical one. Was hoping Eladrin or Q would see it and say to themselves, "you know what, we screwed up, why punish the players?"

[Dragonhyde]

Has anyoneelse had there new "songs" dispelled? I was running desert explorer on my warchanter and had the new song up...when we encountered a scarrow that was tossing disspell like candy. Half the group lost the dr song immediately due to dispell. Anyone know if it is supposed to work that way

[Aldmare]

The Warchanter and Spellsinger songs should not be able to be dispelled with Dispel Magic and the like.

Good, then we should expect a fix to that soon

[Eladrin]

The Warchanter and Spellsinger songs should not be able to be dispelled with Dispel Magic and the like.

[tihocan]

I'm currently also looking into ways of having a character's Perform skill have an effect on your songs - it's likely that that will somehow play into song durations, so there's no need to panic about fascinate durations yet.

What about fascinate's saving throw? It would be nice to know if it will be added in the near future (e.g. post as a known issue, just like you did for evasion), for those of us with a bard 1/other X who may want to rely on the 2 fascinate/rest.