PVP - Opinions are all we have.

[Oran_Lathor]

Just making a point.

Heh you must not forget a 22 will save as well, and barbarian speed, warp time, and sprint boost with 2h weapon with barb power attack 3 and spring attack? you better hope i fail that first save on the hypno as in rolling a 3 or less. Because if not, you're either tripped, stunned, or just gonna die in a matter of seconds . Spell resistance 20 helps too.
That answers your question KristovK.

An equally twinked out crowd controlling caster can easily have +20 spell pen rolls and a wide variety of enchantments to cast at DC of 33. Which puts you below 50/50 even assuming they aren't quick at the keys.

[Hvymetal]

[QUOTE=Atreeson;1240257]Hah. Fascinate and scorching ray? Try good will save and speed[QUOTE]
Fascinate has no save, so yea a lv 5 Bard could leave ya helpless and have a field day with you.

Don't care about PVP 1 whit so long as it has zero bearing on the rest of the game because of PVP "balancing" issues such as the Bard one above.

[Shecky]

And don't forget that if there was a PVP SERVER then that wouldn't affect anyone except the ones who played on that server. So how could you even be against it? If you don't want anything to do with it, it'll seem like nothing changed, but if you want a part in it, you are able to go all the way or just every once and a while you play on it. Either way, it's just an idea to add dynamics to the game while not changing the way the game is played. Which is why I don't understand why all you people keep saying they'd have to change the game all that BS. It would basically be another test server like Risia, except have the concept of people actually being able to hurt each other, which is more realistic, whether you want to think that or not. That could even give way to evil alignments eventually. There are endless possibilities, so don't be so freakin against something until you know all about it.

I'm against anything that takes away coding time that would otherwise be spent on developing new content or fixing old content. Putting coding time and spending money on PvP servers takes resources away from what the game has ALWAYS been designed to do, both PnP and DDO. Unless you want to pay personally for another server and for the salaries of the devs required to keep the necessary stuff coming?

Do NOT mistake me: I've played PvP. I've had an absolute ball doing it. But it does not need more development than it's already taken away from the rest of the game.

[HumanRogue]

I'm against anything that takes away coding time that would otherwise be spent on developing new content or fixing old content. Putting coding time and spending money on PvP servers takes resources away from what the game has ALWAYS been designed to do, both PnP and DDO. Unless you want to pay personally for another server and for the salaries of the devs required to keep the necessary stuff coming?

Do NOT mistake me: I've played PvP. I've had an absolute ball doing it. But it does not need more development than it's already taken away from the rest of the game.

It my opinion that many PvPers (Me at least...) want exactly what you say you want, some time 'fixing old content' like the Quickfoot Arena and other team match-ups...

[Atreeson]

Pot, meet kettle... You are clearly for PvP, and are also saying things like a broken record. Just look at it from both sides. Some people get that rush from killing another player. Some are happy to complete quests and adventure. Neither side is really right or wrong, just different.

I'm glad you pointed that out, but that is why I suggested a server for people who wanna be there. This pretty much means anyone who is complaining about pvp on this thread right now, needs to just erase their messages because their opinions aren't necessary. If you hate PvP, then quest your life away, but if you think it's a growing part of the game, please share your thoughts.

[Atreeson]

Our resident god of PvP simply doesn't get it. Which is really rather funny since according to his sig he's been playing since beta.

And I evidently understand the game and how it works better then you do if you actually think an SR of 20 is impressive or that you can actually avoid being Fascinated by any Bard at all with the ability.

Oh..and taking 5 or 10 attempts to kill that caster who fried you..that's not success...

That's if you let a bard fascinate you. That shows why you still obviously don't pvp often, because if you did, you'd know ways of getting around almost every spell. It's called sprint boost and run away till the song stops playing then beat the hell out of them. It's pretty simple really.

[Atreeson]

Just making a point.




An equally twinked out crowd controlling caster can easily have +20 spell pen rolls and a wide variety of enchantments to cast at DC of 33. Which puts you below 50/50 even assuming they aren't quick at the keys.

That's what makes PvP so exciting in my opinion tho. It's gonna be different almost every battle if both people abide by a certain honor. I.e. no eating food, and no fighting until both players are ready. The only reason people think PvP is unbalanced is because they duel like freakin maniacs. You can have honor amongst players in the arena, I do with many on my server. It makes PvP that much better too.. I just think you people knocking it are either 1. Feeling your toons are incapable of PvP arenas, 2. Just too closed mined to give it a try, or 3. Afraid of me actually being right.
As far as people's toons not being good in PvP, here's a tip for you if you actually CARE - Build a new toon made for PvP. It's something new to do, and is actually rather satisfying. I suggest you try it, because both of my mains are pretty much PvP builds and they're awesome in quests too.

[Atreeson]

All I can say though, to those who do not believe me, is to come on Thelanis sometime in the future and challenge me to a duel. That is the only true way for you to know, is to experience it yourself first hand. Anything else is hear-say BS that could go on for days.

[FeFiFoFum]

Typical PvPer attitude. And the reason many people can't stand PvP.

Talk about attitude. Dude he is just expressing an idea that is not forced on anyone. This game whether you agree or not is setup to appeal to a broad customer base. New ideas are what keeps games going....

[FeFiFoFum]

I'm against anything that takes away coding time that would otherwise be spent on developing new content or fixing old content. Putting coding time and spending money on PvP servers takes resources away from what the game has ALWAYS been designed to do, both PnP and DDO. Unless you want to pay personally for another server and for the salaries of the devs required to keep the necessary stuff coming?

Do NOT mistake me: I've played PvP. I've had an absolute ball doing it. But it does not need more development than it's already taken away from the rest of the game.

Shecky,
Improvements to all aspects of the game are welcomed in my book. The forum is a great place for the devs to prioritize valuable resources use. Personnally i have only dabbled in pvp, but it's been fun and if the resources are available then it could at least be considered.
If resources are a problem they could consider additional $/mo. to access a dedicated server...just one option.
I am a firm believer in putting ideas out there for improvements. Atreeson and other pvp players enjoy this aspect of the game and while I am a toonaholic and love rerolling and refining others have different ways of biding their time until new content comes out.

Balrogg

[FeFiFoFum]

The above quoted conversation is a perfect example of the attitude PvP evokes in some people, and which so many other people loathe and detest.

And this would be coming from an open mind?

[Ziggy]

Notice that the conversation includes those who enjoy PvP and those who don't. Both seem to act the same... (Just read a post against crafting, sounds pretty much the same, those for and those against...)

OH YEAH.....

well my daddy could beat up your daddy.

except im gonna use my DDO character and your gonna use your DDO character.

Thats what it sounds like when i hear people say I could kick your butt in PVP.

As to whether or not i want PVP in this game.

originally i didnt want it. Ive done the brawl thing, and had some fun in there. Do i want the devs to fix the PVP already in game(deathmatch and CTF)? sure.

I also want them to fix a multitude of other thing, that i want to come first before they use time to create a PVP server/cross server PVP.

But yeah id say fix the PVP in game already along with the other stuff i want fixed. Why you may ask? because i know people enjoy it, its in game, but not working correctly.

[FeFiFoFum]

OH YEAH.....

well my daddy could beat up your daddy.

except im gonna use my DDO character and your gonna use your DDO character.

Thats what it sounds like when i hear people say I could kick your butt in PVP.

As to whether or not i want PVP in this game.

originally i didnt want it. Ive done the brawl thing, and had some fun in there. Do i want the devs to fix the PVP already in game(deathmatch and CTF)? sure.

I also want them to fix a multitude of other thing, that i want to come first before they use time to create a PVP server/cross server PVP.

But yeah id say fix the PVP in game already along with the other stuff i want fixed. Why you may ask? because i know people enjoy it, its in game, but not working correctly.

Hey Zig havent been on the forums in a bit. New job which requires all my time
The irony is that the forums are the biggest PVP arena around. There's more posturing here than in the taverns. If the customer base (everyone) can get things that keep them interested then the higher the likelihood the game will continue.... I trust the Turbine experts to apply resources where needed to achieve this... they do know what they're doing right? (* squishee noises in background)

[Ziggy]

Hey Zig havent been on the forums in a bit. New job which requires all my time

The irony is that the forums are the biggest PVP arena around. There's more posturing here than in the taverns. If the customer base (everyone) can get things that keep them interested then the higher the likelihood the game will continue.... I trust the Turbine experts to apply resources where needed to achieve this... they do know what they're doing right? (* squishee noises in background)

Yeah i hear ya.

I gotta start looking for a new job, so no clue whats going on with my forum time soon.

And yeah its interesting that the forums have become the inter-server PVP that everyone is asking about.

and yeah i think turbine is trying yo make everyone happy. I know they are making people mad on purpose, just read my sig.

[Darkdominion]

I don't know if anyone has suggested this one yet, but DDO has this really cool built in instance system for every zone. I don't think it would be terribly difficult to make it so there is always one instance that is world wide pvp, except for mabye small, select areas in that zone. Kinda the opposite of tavern brawl pits. Now, I don't know how feasible that is for the programming for this game, but it doesn't seem like it would be that hard since they already can program certain areas to be pvp. The instance could be clearly marked, and possibly have a rule that you must stay in the zone 5 minutes unless you die, or something to that extent. Just to prevent people popping in, dropping a max/empowered/heightened/enlarged fireball and popping back to non-pvp zones.

[Cendaer]

And this would be coming from an open mind?

Actually, there is no where in this thread where I have claimed to have an open mind, is there?

Go roll your eyes at someone else, thank you.

And just so no one forgets, I will, again, post a link to the online petition which was being pushed by the pro-PvP camp from waaay back in beta.

http://www.petitiononline.com/pvpddo/petition.html

As you can see, there was an overwhelming response in favor of adding PvP to DDO back then. I'm sure you could garner just as much support for PvP if you were to start a fresh petition today.

[Uska]

Then allow me to react how people react to me when I refer this game to the pencil and paper D&D - It's a totally different game. They would have left PvP specifically OUT of the game had that been their intention. But their intention was to leave it in, so obviously, there is some hope of later content, but NO ONE, not even 30 year vets, can say whether I am right or wrong about it.

Sure we can your wrong pvp will not add much to the game ddo wasnt designed for it so it can never be balanced without affecting core rules which is a bad idea pvp is fine in games designed for it from the start but ddo isnt one of those. If I had more time I would roll a bard on your server and show you what I mean you would die no save quaranted

[Uska]

PVP helps the game grow because it increases player interaction. I've stuck with MMOs even after I've exhausted all the content because of the player interactions. Gives something to do rather than roll a new toon and run WW again, or kill Velah again, or kill the Stormreaver again, etc. After 10 times, the questing gets to be a drag. Add more player/player interaction. Just my opinion of course...

-HumanRogue

In other games yes here I dont think so

[Vinos]

Talk about attitude. Dude he is just expressing an idea that is not forced on anyone. This game whether you agree or not is setup to appeal to a broad customer base. New ideas are what keeps games going....

Read ALL my posts before you start in on me. The post you quoted was when he was talking smack about how uber he was. Read the post that actually responed to his idea. Man I hate it when people like you pick out 1 post out of many and pass judgement.

[Atreeson]

Sure we can your wrong pvp will not add much to the game ddo wasnt designed for it so it can never be balanced without affecting core rules which is a bad idea pvp is fine in games designed for it from the start but ddo isnt one of those. If I had more time I would roll a bard on your server and show you what I mean you would die no save quaranted

Don't make me laugh, really. I've fought many bards, and they don't stand a chance. If you think you're an exception, please explain how. Plus no matter how much you think you're right about this, you're not. It's still just your opinion, so don't act like you can tell the future.. Please.