PVP - Opinions are all we have.

[Vinos]

so your telling me u can't stand PVP becaues ppl learn how to adapt and overcome your abilitys to use there own?.... i dont' understand this line of thinking at all.

It's the endless smack talk that drives people crazy. The whole "I would kick your but becuase I am so awesome" attitude is what really turns people off. We're not all uber leet like you so why would most of us bother with PvP knowing we wouldn't stand a chance.

[Vinos]

By hearing your words, you obviously don't PvP near as much as myself. Any caster on Thelanis will tell you I put up one of the best, if not the best challenge in the arena with my barbarian, whether they'll admit it or not. The fact of the matter is, you can avoid almost every single damaging spell in the entire game simply by moving laterally or jumping high enough at the right time.. Had you been skilled enough to know this, you would have another perspective. All I can say is, come on Thelanis and make a caster, and you're not gonna be uber in the arena, I guarantee you that. There isn't a single caster that I've fought in the arena that I have never beat, or cannot beat. You don't understand that it's not just about stats. It's about knowing how to use every resource your character has to offer, and use it to its full potential. Like with barbarian speed, warp time, and sprint boost, I can dodge fireballs, lightning bolts, cone of cold, scorching ray, even chain lightning.. There is a way for each damage spell to dodge it. You have to have good reflexes (in real life) and speed, and you can beat almost any caster.. Of course having all saves in the mid 20s, to low 30s helps too. You obviously have no knowledge on how that is done, so I'm glad I can be the first to let you know.

/bows down and worships

[dameron]

By hearing your words, you obviously don't PvP near as much as myself. Any caster on Thelanis will tell you I put up one of the best, if not the best challenge in the arena with my barbarian, whether they'll admit it or not.

I know you dance real good in your high boots, and when I got through with you you realized how lame your (then) 16 Will save was, and did everything possible to boost it.

Oh, and that was with my max haggle mule bard/sorc who doesn't have a combat spell above 2nd level.




/Tener, Bard 1, Sorc 12, Thelanis

[HumanRogue]

It's the endless smack talk that drives people crazy. The whole "I would kick your but becuase I am so awesome" attitude is what really turns people off. We're not all uber leet like you so why would most of us bother with PvP knowing we wouldn't stand a chance.

So with the addition of the brawling rooms in the tavern, have you gotten 'endless smack talk' or has it not made much a difference in the way you play DDO? I'm betting that PvP, as it has been implemented, hasn't made much a difference in the gameplay for those who would rather quest (Which is the way I think it should be.) But I do think that they could do a better job with PvP than what has been implemented (i.e. a city zone that is only PvP (nothing to do there but PvP), or better matching system for the Quickfoot Arena).

[Lebrac]

It's the endless smack talk that drives people crazy. The whole "I would kick your but becuase I am so awesome" attitude is what really turns people off. We're not all uber leet like you so why would most of us bother with PvP knowing we wouldn't stand a chance.

Again... your way of thinking is so crazy to me....

why bother doing something u can't win at?.... so your saying why bother liveing life at all cause there is no real winner in life... or am i reading into this wrong... why do people play sports if they are not the best in the world with this way of thinking? It's to have fun i would guess myself. it's also to push yourself to the limit to try to beat the people who are better or to learn ways new ways of doing things to improve yourself as a person. Implement tihs into pvp and just turn off chat so u can't hear the braggers brag about winning and then try to improve yourself u will learn that improveing yourself in PVP will improve yourself in questing as well.

Fact 1. when i started PVP i really sucked at it and basicaly never won at all... but i didn't quit i keep plugging away. i didn't rebuild my char cause i love him very much. he is a TOn of fun to me. but i did start looking for ways to make him better cause i didn't think my build was that much worse then other people builds. u think about strategy and what is hurting u the most and then u counter that with what u can. (kinda sounds like most sports to me)...

i dont' know why i even bother trying to tell people that pvping will make them a better player because all they do is think that the few people with inflated egos that talk smack... Witch u get in your quest groups also BTW they do the same thing in those. try PVP with people u know who aren't going to smack talk try to combat the things that kill u the easyest and u will become not only better at PVP if u chose to ever do it more then that or u will just improve your overall gameplay.

[Vinos]

So with the addition of the brawling rooms in the tavern, have you gotten 'endless smack talk' or has it not made much a difference in the way you play DDO? I'm betting that PvP, as it has been implemented, hasn't made much a difference in the gameplay for those who would rather quest (Which is the way I think it should be.) But I do think that they could do a better job with PvP than what has been implemented (i.e. a city zone that is only PvP (nothing to do there but PvP), or better matching system for the Quickfoot Arena).

I don't PvP in DDO but I have done it in other games and yes endless smack talk is the norm. Tells do work across zones you know.

[VoltaicLime]

*snip a lot of stupid junk*

Gawd! Learn how to spell out the word YOU. Spelling it 'u' does nothing but make you look like the ignorant, egotistical, smack talking pvp-wannabe child you are.

[Vinos]

Again... your way of thinking is so crazy to me....

why bother doing something u can't win at?.... so your saying why bother liveing life at all cause there is no real winner in life... or am i reading into this wrong... why do people play sports if they are not the best in the world with this way of thinking? It's to have fun i would guess myself. it's also to push yourself to the limit to try to beat the people who are better or to learn ways new ways of doing things to improve yourself as a person. Implement tihs into pvp and just turn off chat so u can't hear the braggers brag about winning and then try to improve yourself u will learn that improveing yourself in PVP will improve yourself in questing as well.

Fact 1. when i started PVP i really sucked at it and basicaly never won at all... but i didn't quit i keep plugging away. i didn't rebuild my char cause i love him very much. he is a TOn of fun to me. but i did start looking for ways to make him better cause i didn't think my build was that much worse then other people builds. u think about strategy and what is hurting u the most and then u counter that with what u can. (kinda sounds like most sports to me)...

i dont' know why i even bother trying to tell people that pvping will make them a better player because all they do is think that the few people with inflated egos that talk smack... Witch u get in your quest groups also BTW they do the same thing in those. try PVP with people u know who aren't going to smack talk try to combat the things that kill u the easyest and u will become not only better at PVP if u chose to ever do it more then that or u will just improve your overall gameplay.

Life and video games are different and if you don't think so then you need to stop playing games for a while. Sure someone could get wailed on for a month or so and maybe get good at PvP but I for one can't stand it when I step into the PvP arena for the 1st time and get blasted by a 400 point sorching ray and then get tells saying "OMGZ I PWND U!!" Maybe you're not that way and maybe you are but alot of PvPer's that I have seen are uber leet kids with no life who feel better about themselves becuase they smashed some hapless player into oblivion. PvP is fine where it is. Hardly used and ignored by Devs. I quit CoH becuase PvP started affecting my PvE gameplay.

[HumanRogue]

I don't PvP in DDO but I have done it in other games and yes endless smack talk is the norm. Tells do work across zones you know.

I'm sorry that has happened to you. It's not right and really shouldn't. I guess I didn't realize that 'endless smack talk was the norm' here in DDO with the addition of the tavern brawl rooms. I've never really had any smack talk since they implemented the tavern brawl rooms, so I guess my experience here with DDO's PvP must just have been different than yours. If it gets to be a problem, you can always squelch tells though...

[Vinos]

I'm sorry that has happened to you. It's not right and really shouldn't. I guess I didn't realize that 'endless smack talk was the norm' here in DDO with the addition of the tavern brawl rooms. I've never really had any smack talk since they implemented the tavern brawl rooms, so I guess my experience here with DDO's PvP must just have been different than yours. If it gets to be a problem, you can always squelch tells though...

Only time I use PvP is to test a spell or something like that. DDO is probably not as bad as other MMO's since this tends to have an older playerbase but like anything else the rudest people are the loudest. 95% of the players are cool but that other 5% are the ones that ruin it for everyone. The biggest reason I don't want PvP to become a bigger part of the game is becuase spells and feats will have to be "re-balanced" CoX nerfed several powers becuase they were not balanced in PvP and if that was to happen in DDO then I would certianly quit.

[JelloMold]

My only experience with PvP was when it first came out. I went to go look into the pit in the Lobster. I saw a bunch of people running around in circles and not really doing much of anything that resembled intelligent combat. While I was watching, I accidentally dropped in. As I was climbing up the ladder to leave some tool cast Ottos dance on me. Either he did it repeatedly or I kept failing my save (not sure how that spell works and that character had really low will saves). Anyway, I danced there on the ladder for about 5 mins. Really mature and fun for all.

[HumanRogue]

Only time I use PvP is to test a spell or something like that. DDO is probably not as bad as other MMO's since this tends to have an older playerbase but like anything else the rudest people are the loudest. 95% of the players are cool but that other 5% are the ones that ruin it for everyone. The biggest reason I don't want PvP to become a bigger part of the game is becuase spells and feats will have to be "re-balanced" CoX nerfed several powers becuase they were not balanced in PvP and if that was to happen in DDO then I would certianly quit.

I enjoy PvP, and wish it got a little more love from the dev team (Not much love but a little bit). But if they did any rebalancing/nerfing because of the PvP, I'd be looking for greener pastures on that same wagon with you Vinos.

[Cendaer]

Now I know there are many of you out there that hate PVP because you feel it's either an "ego boost", or a "waste of time", or something else to that nonsense. But here is the way I see it - We all pay to play the game, therefore we all have an equal right to do whatever we wish in the game,

I didn't have to read any further than that.

You do not have any right to do whatever you wish in the game.

You are paying for the right to play a game, as it is provided by Turbine. There is no freedom to "do as you wish;" you must play the game within it's boundaries as provided by the company which owns it.

Just because you are paying the subscription fee, does not, in any way, shape or form, obligate Turbine to develop the game to suit your whims and fancies.

Paying a subscription fee for anything, does not give you ownership of the company which produces it, nor does it give you any right to any control of any of the content. For instance, just because you subscribe to Time Magazine, does not mean you get to pick the cover story, ever.

As with most things, if you don't like it, no one's holding a gun to your head forcing you to buy it. If you want to provide feedback to those whom you purchase things from, that's fine, but do not presume that just because you're paying for something, you have any control whatsoever of the company or people from which you are buying.

[Cendaer]

Hah. Fascinate and scorching ray? Try good will save and speed, and a vicious maul of greater elf bane, which i know most of you casters are, and you're gone in 2-3, sometimes 4 hits. come on Thelanis and try that to my toon Sturmcrow Locke. I guarantee you, you shall have a difficult time. Mark my words.
And as far as you saying it requires no skill, try spring attack with a two handed weapon. It changes the way you can deal dps with a weapon if you're good enough. And by saying it requires no skill implies that you have no knowledge of the way pvp can really be, so I would suggest you try it more often.

/trip
/stunning blow
/carve the turkey

+1 anarchic morningstar of greater dwarf bane, shield, 30 fort save, 30 balance, 340hp with 45 ac.. not happenin that easy Shecky .. not to mention 36 str.. not too bad for a drow

Ahh, I've tripped and stunned bigger giant poos than you!

...see? Now THIS is how PvP is s'posed to go!

Hah. You still would be sadly mistaken. I assure you.

Hey, whatever lets you sleep at night.

Same could be said for you by myself.

hehe you may have 30 fort but when my caster throws a hypno at you your gonna be sitting pretty =). Of Course your not on riedra. then tehres always hold person and a puncturing dagger. many ways to kill with or without scorching ray.

~Kire

Heh you must not forget a 22 will save as well, and barbarian speed, warp time, and sprint boost with 2h weapon with barb power attack 3 and spring attack? you better hope i fail that first save on the hypno as in rolling a 3 or less. Because if not, you're either tripped, stunned, or just gonna die in a matter of seconds . Spell resistance 20 helps too.
That answers your question KristovK.

The above quoted conversation is a perfect example of the attitude PvP evokes in some people, and which so many other people loathe and detest.

[Dimicron]

Now I know there are many of you out there that hate PVP because you feel it's either an "ego boost", or a "waste of time", or something else to that nonsense. But here is the way I see it - We all pay to play the game, therefore we all have an equal right to do whatever we wish in the game, so why shouldn't PvP be more of a part of the game? There are many on Thelanis (server I play on obviously) I know that would appreciate more dynamics to the game, other than bangin the same quests over and over again for more uber loot, so you can use that uber loot to do those quests again in hopes of more uber loot. Or, you could get loot so you can hold your own in the PvP arena. Why shouldn't we use PvP as a use of tactics, contents, and even as an overall show of fighting skill? The fighting system in this game is such where you can be as good as you want to be, as in physically dodge spells and attacks, even if you have a crappy AC, if you're quick enough, you can be a lot better than what you appear. If we had some way to put the PvP system to use other than just tavern brawls and team battles (which NO one does because it hardly ever works), like a battle grounds, or even an entire server for PvP where the only safe points were the taverns, I think it would add a whole new dynamic and perspective on the game, and since it would be on its own server, only the people that WANT to be there, shall. I just don't think we need to do away with a part of the game that WOULD have existed, had Eberron actually been a real place and time.

But anyway, I think for a more realistic sense, more calling of skill, and overall, more satisfying (in my opinion), we need come together and speak up about our thoughts on PvP (excluding the people against it because you all say the same **** like a broken record) so we can bring a new exciting part to the game without hardly changing anything. Just think about it, dont be closed minded.

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Thelanis
Ex- Vagabond Member


Long Live Shinarel!

Pot, meet kettle... You are clearly for PvP, and are also saying things like a broken record. Just look at it from both sides. Some people get that rush from killing another player. Some are happy to complete quests and adventure. Neither side is really right or wrong, just different.

[HumanRogue]

The above quoted conversation is a perfect example of the attitude PvP evokes in some people, and which so many other people loathe and detest.

Notice that the conversation includes those who enjoy PvP and those who don't. Both seem to act the same... (Just read a post against crafting, sounds pretty much the same, those for and those against...)

[JelloMold]

Notice that the conversation includes those who enjoy PvP and those who don't. Both seem to act the same... (Just read a post against crafting, sounds pretty much the same, those for and those against...)

Yeah, I suppose later on we'll hear
"You crafted that? Why did you use ____________ on your armor? everyone knows that you should put _________.

Oh, yeah, well I can make a ______ faster than you.

Who cares? ________ is for noobs


yada yada yada

The quest to be the alpha geek is never ending.
You can always be like Farmer Ted in Sixteen Candles. "I'm sort of the king of the dipsh***s"

[KristovK]

Our resident god of PvP simply doesn't get it. Which is really rather funny since according to his sig he's been playing since beta.

As early as 2005 it was confirmed, DDO and PvP don't mix. It was only added, in the extremely limited form we have now, after MUCH screaming and whining by a very vocal minority who just would NOT shut up about it...and because of certain mixed reviews that condemned the game because it had NO PvP option at all. Real reason PvP was added...those mixed reviews, that's a hit to sales, not the vocal minority who's total en masse migration from DDO wouldn't even make a dent in the bottom line.

Once it was decided to add PvP, the devs were pretty clear on how it would work. Limited area, consent only, no changes to anything to make anything balanced in any way, shape or form....oh..and this is ALL you get for PvP, so suck it up and deal. Almost a year after PvP was added we've seen...well......nothing changed about it, despite people asking for more and more and more PvP options and changes since it was in testing on Risia. It was made clear while we tested PvP on Risia that what you see is what you get, NOTHING more.

And I evidently understand the game and how it works better then you do if you actually think an SR of 20 is impressive or that you can actually avoid being Fascinated by any Bard at all with the ability.

Oh..and taking 5 or 10 attempts to kill that caster who fried you..that's not success...

[HumanRogue]

Yeah, I suppose later on we'll hear
"You crafted that? Why did you use ____________ on your armor? everyone knows that you should put _________.

Oh, yeah, well I can make a ______ faster than you.

Who cares? ________ is for noobs


yada yada yada

The quest to be the alpha geek is never ending.
You can always be like Farmer Ted in Sixteen Candles. "I'm sort of the king of the dipsh***s"

LOL! Never heard of an 'alpha geek' before. Thats great!

[Lebrac]

Our resident god of PvP simply doesn't get it. Which is really rather funny since according to his sig he's been playing since beta.

As early as 2005 it was confirmed, DDO and PvP don't mix. It was only added, in the extremely limited form we have now, after MUCH screaming and whining by a very vocal minority who just would NOT shut up about it...and because of certain mixed reviews that condemned the game because it had NO PvP option at all. Real reason PvP was added...those mixed reviews, that's a hit to sales, not the vocal minority who's total en masse migration from DDO wouldn't even make a dent in the bottom line.

Once it was decided to add PvP, the devs were pretty clear on how it would work. Limited area, consent only, no changes to anything to make anything balanced in any way, shape or form....oh..and this is ALL you get for PvP, so suck it up and deal. Almost a year after PvP was added we've seen...well......nothing changed about it, despite people asking for more and more and more PvP options and changes since it was in testing on Risia. It was made clear while we tested PvP on Risia that what you see is what you get, NOTHING more.

And I evidently understand the game and how it works better then you do if you actually think an SR of 20 is impressive or that you can actually avoid being Fascinated by any Bard at all with the ability.

Oh..and taking 5 or 10 attempts to kill that caster who fried you..that's not success...

why does eveyone bring up balanceing as a issue with PVP? not a single PVP player has said anything about balance. we are asking for what they implemented in the game to work properly AKA the CTF and team FFA zones. do u not understand that a little love goes a LONG LONG way? with a little love PVP could be even better. u don't have to change anything about the game to change PVP u have to fix things already in the game so they work and if they want to add a little to it then most pvpers will be very happy. mostly all i have seen asked for was fixing of what is in place. i have tossed out the idea of a zone for cross server PVP... just as somethign cool not thinking it will ever be put in... it' would just be awsome that's it.

FWI... i think PVP is very balanced as it is... for every class but rouges... they get the short end of the stick in this matter but still i have seen some very good at pvp...