Prestige classes as enhancements

[Cowdenicus]

I like the fact that you ninja'd yourself with your post on the arcane trickster.

Other then that i would rather have them create the classes then use enhancements

aye I would also, but since it is taking 9 months for monks and an unspecified amount of time after that for druids, how long do you really think it will take to ADD 16 Prestige classes, seeing as they seem to only be able to release 2 classes in about 2 years.

I wont be here for 16 years waiting for all the prestige classes I have listed.

[Cowdenicus]

/veto

Prestige Classes are just that, Classes. Anything short of classes is a joke. And yes, I'd gladly reroll.

since it is taking 9 months for monks and an unspecified amount of time after that for druids, how long do you really think it will take to ADD 16 Prestige classes, seeing as they seem to only be able to release 2 classes in about 2 years.

I wont be here for 16 years waiting for all the prestige classes I have listed.

[Cowdenicus]

Duelist might need some clarification..

Elaborate Parry (4AP) if a duelist chooses to fight defensively or use total defense in melee combat, she gains an additional +1 dodge bonus to AC for each level she has. Requires Grace, Precise Strike 1 and Canny Defense 2.

I take it that if you are using a shield you no longer qualify for grace and thus you'd no longer qualify for elaborate parry? By the same token what if they choose to fight with combat expertise rather than defensively?

For Dwarven defender unfortunately in DDO I don't think there are many oppertunites where a player would be able to take advantage of the stance some what hampering the concept of the defender who refuses to yield ground in the face of an attack.


Take it easy
-Tal

You dont gain any of the abilities for the Duelist advancement if you use a shield. It is in the PrC.
About DD I believe it could be extremely powerful in limited situations, Think final bosses and raid bosses, especially if they put an agro boost on it, like an effect called line in the sand or something.

[Ziggy]

aye I would also, but since it is taking 9 months for monks and an unspecified amount of time after that for druids, how long do you really think it will take to ADD 16 Prestige classes, seeing as they seem to only be able to release 2 classes in about 2 years.

I wont be here for 16 years waiting for all the prestige classes I have listed.

I think that once druids are added(probably around the time 9th level spells are added) prestige classes will probably come rolling out 2-3 at a time.

there are some really easy ones that they can implement.

arcane trickster is an easy one to put in. THey said they are waiting to get the core classes in first(monk and druid) then we might see them coming in.

Honestly i dont think its worth the effort to put enhancements in until after the classes are in themselves.(not to mention i dont think that they can take into account 2 different levels of 2 different classes for enhancements right now)

[Cowdenicus]

I think that once druids are added(probably around the time 9th level spells are added) prestige classes will probably come rolling out 2-3 at a time.

there are some really easy ones that they can implement.

arcane trickster is an easy one to put in. THey said they are waiting to get the core classes in first(monk and druid) then we might see them coming in.

Honestly i dont think its worth the effort to put enhancements in until after the classes are in themselves.(not to mention i dont think that they can take into account 2 different levels of 2 different classes for enhancements right now)

Well I have no idea what they can do, they are kinda quiet on that front. That being said they could have space filler AP's (that count as prereqs and would be part of the cost for the PrC)

for example if somebody is taking MT, they could create an enhancement called divine theurge (1AP) That is available at Cleric 3 or Druid 4 and one called Arcane Theurge (1AP) available at wizard 3 or sorceror 4 and those two can be the requirements to unlock mystic theurge enhancements. (and just make the chain 2 AP cheaper in the long run or not)

[Gol]

since it is taking 9 months for monks and an unspecified amount of time after that for druids, how long do you really think it will take to ADD 16 Prestige classes, seeing as they seem to only be able to release 2 classes in about 2 years.

I wont be here for 16 years waiting for all the prestige classes I have listed.

I'd rather not have them at all than for them to be totally botched as Enhancements (which is by definition totally unavoidable). The wait is irrelevant to me.

[Twerpp]

I like it. But there's no reason they cant implement the actual classes. Huge potential for abuse/overpowered characters with AP's being used instead of a class. Some classes where BAB/feat/spell progression would progress as normal it wouldnt make a huge difference though.

I couldn't help but look at the Dragon Disciple and say "Heh, that would make me actually play a bard."

[Cyr]

but the implementation you propose is not going to happen. With rogue and bard way of lines and cleric follower lines it looks like they are already moving the game in the direction of prestige classes through enhancements. Heck, the bard and rogue ones need tons of junk much of it mostly useless so it seems likely that they will add more enhancments off of those lines to make them more valid and could easily make duelist abilities require way of the acrobat for example. I would like to see the prestige class abilities flow off of those lines in a kind of tree diagram approach where choosing a second line essentially chooses your prestige class. That said, they are going to have to stop putting out enhancments that cost around 2 levels of AP or start scaling AP rewards with level ie you gain 6 for each level beyond 10, 8 for each level beyond 15 etc or something of the sort.

[Cowdenicus]

but the implementation you propose is not going to happen. With rogue and bard way of lines and cleric follower lines it looks like they are already moving the game in the direction of prestige classes through enhancements. Heck, the bard and rogue ones need tons of junk much of it mostly useless so it seems likely that they will add more enhancments off of those lines to make them more valid and could easily make duelist abilities require way of the acrobat for example. I would like to see the prestige class abilities flow off of those lines in a kind of tree diagram approach where choosing a second line essentially chooses your prestige class. That said, they are going to have to stop putting out enhancments that cost around 2 levels of AP or start scaling AP rewards with level ie you gain 6 for each level beyond 10, 8 for each level beyond 15 etc or something of the sort.

this was more to get discussion rolling and other peoples ideas.

[Azara]

OOOH....I like the idea of you putting the Theurge and Pale Master in here...but with the forthcoming of the Druid...you overlooked the Warshaper????

[Cowdenicus]

OOOH....I like the idea of you putting the Theurge and Pale Master in here...but with the forthcoming of the Druid...you overlooked the Warshaper????

wow, didnt expect this to be responded to still.

[Spell]

So 9 months to get monks.
Now add in Druids, Gnomes, Half-Orc & Half-Elves.
I'm guessing 2010 before we see epic-levels.

[vangrue]

I was surprised when looking over some of the new enhancements to see those Prestige Classes listed as enhancements. I think it's a relatively easy way for them to augment existing classes, though there are drawbacks.
The prestige class enhancements are limited by the game system, meaning fewer prestige classes can actually work in the game. The benefits of many of these "prestige enhancements" will likely have to be drastically altered to fit within DDO, particularly since the primary gametype is different than the pen and paper version.
Beyond this, as enhancements, they don't actually change the class you are listed as, so unless you mention it in your profile, no one will know. There are benefits to playing with different prestige classes in your party, and people will want to know if the Bard they are playing with is a Dragon Disciple, or if the Wizard is a Pale Master, as these change the way the characters are played.

Interesting, though, and I hope to see more developments on this subject!

[Paragon]

I like the fact that you ninja'd yourself with your post on the arcane trickster.

Other then that i would rather have them create the classes then use enhancements

QFT and lol

I agree with ziggy on this one. I believe that the enhancement system is already overused and overstretched. They are trying to work cleric domains, bard specialties, and pretty much everything they can into them, and I think its about enough. We don't need more enhancements, but more real class features and classes.

Enhancements are already doing way more than they should.

[Yaga_Nub]

Holy **** everything on the forums does actually get at least three seperate threads!

[Cowdenicus]

By the necromatic powers granted to me, I call back this post from the dead that it might live once more.

although some of them, could be used as a reference for the new threads.

[Yaga_Nub]

I brought the two old threads back to show that everything seems to be cyclical. Someone posts about something and it's around for a week or two and then then dead for a month or two. Then someone else will get a similar idea and post about it again. It's sort of funny how we have the flavor of the week/2 weeks and then it dies only to be reborn at a later date.

I wonder how many other threads I can find that are similar to this one.