sorcerer spells

[Daddy]

think known spells will ever catch up to pnp for sorcerers?

at lvl 14 a sorcerer in pnp would like like this.

1st 6
2nd 6
3rd 6
4th 6
5th 6
6th 5
7th 3

i'm sure the cap at 4 spells per lvl is for a reason...i just cant think of a reason why it is.


i can't be the only person that's noticed this.

[Gimpster]

at lvl 14 a sorcerer in pnp would like like this.
1st 6
2nd 6
3rd 6
4th 6
5th 6
6th 5
7th 3

Wrong. A PnP sorceror at level 14 has
1st 5
2nd 5
3rd 4
4th 4
5th 3
6th 2
7th 1
The numbers you gave are his spell slots (aka mana), not his spells known.

i'm sure the cap at 4 spells per lvl is for a reason...i just cant think of a reason why it is.

Yes. It's because the DDO game has a more limited possible set of environments and encounter types than can occur in the original D&D. This means a spellcaster does not need to deal with as many different situations, so he doesn't need as many different spells. The sorceror class is supposed to have a meaningful restriction to power based on his limited list of spells, but DDO has fewer spells which are actually useful.

Thus, a reduced number of spells per level.

Look at the 3rd level spells, for example. In PnP, there are super-useful spells like Fly, GMW, Blink, Major Image, Gaseous Form, Clairvoyance, Phantom Steed, and even Tongues. A PnP wizard can memorize those spells when needed, but a sorc would be hard pressed to fit some of those into just 4 slots. But in DDO you're basically all set if you have Haste, Fireball, and Displacement. Having a bigger list of spells known would not be as beneficial.

[Shade]

Yea but wizards get 5 slotsin ddo?
Why can't sorcerers?
I mean basicly 5 spells for a wizard is enough to get everyone u need every quest.. Sorcerer u still gota chose good all around ones, just get 1 more to play with.

Not a big deal to me, i think sorcs/wiz are fairly well balanced. But i dont think a couple more low lvl spells will unbalance anything. It would just give more sorcs like tumble and maybe blur or knock, situational spells thats wont make or break anyone.

Because even with that, wizards would still have way more spells (all of them vs some), and more spell slots (i think 5 more vs 7 more atm), and ofcourse other wizard perks like more feats.

[pcgammerm]

Because even with that, wizards would still have way more spells (all of them vs some), and more spell slots (i think 5 more vs 7 more atm), and ofcourse other wizard perks like more feats.

thats the point, wizards are short changed already with sorcs getting a lot more sp. so why not give them all the extra stuff (not that i use all the spells my wiz has, most just aren't worth spitting at)

[Missing_Minds]

thats the point, wizards are short changed already with sorcs getting a lot more sp. so why not give them all the extra stuff (not that i use all the spells my wiz has, most just aren't worth spitting at)

Now there is a load of absolute cr@p right there. I could spout off the entire comparison AGAIN, but I really don't feel like it. If sorcs were actually given their fifth 1st and 2nd lvl spells, It would be all good. Are you saying that giving sorcs the correct number of spells would be over powering them? A 1st and 2nd lvl spell? *snicker*

[Vendra]

Now there is a load of absolute cr@p right there. I could spout off the entire comparison AGAIN, but I really don't feel like it. If sorcs were actually given their fifth 1st and 2nd lvl spells, It would be all good. Are you saying that giving sorcs the correct number of spells would be over powering them? A 1st and 2nd lvl spell? *snicker*

I think that the devs should stick with the core rules and give sorcers their 5th slot for 1st and second level spells. Just for refrence here is what a 20th level sorc gets
1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th 6th 7th 8th 9th
5 5 4 4 4 3 3 3 3

[Sokar6000]

thats the point, wizards are short changed already with sorcs getting a lot more sp. so why not give them all the extra stuff (not that i use all the spells my wiz has, most just aren't worth spitting at)

Please do not tell lies, that is how rumors get started. Anyone with half a brain knows that Wizards in DDO are completely overpowered compared to sorcerers.

I think the least Turbine could do is give us the rest of our spells.

[Balthazar_No_Oni]

Please do not tell lies, that is how rumors get started. Anyone with half a brain knows that Wizards in DDO are completely overpowered compared to sorcerers.

I think the least Turbine could do is give us the rest of our spells.

WOW, dude you are so totally off base. Its cannot be a LIE as its an OPINION. People need to chill the f out. You dont think sorcs are over powered he does GET OVER IT.


I see WHY sorcs get less per lvl. Some people dont agree with the reason.

IE, if they can cast more TIMES per day and if can have more SPELL SLOTS than a wiz added on top of the more casts, then why would anyone ever play a wiz... EVER.


Sorcs are a focused class. Wizzes can do anything, just not as well as a focused sorc, sort of like fighters vs pals.

edit: and before you bring up, "well thats the way it is in PNP!!!!! OMG!!!!!" please remember that in PNP sorcs cannot switch AT ALL EVER, so there is a valid reason for being a wiz other than the meta feats.