Bound Items and You

[AEschyl]

Yes, I understand that to some people, "re-rolling" all the time, is the majority of the fun they have in this game... however to just as many people (if not more) that is quite the opposite.

It seems (to me at least) that Turbine is rewarding those players who share that philosophy by giving us access to more character slots, drow, and 32pt builds... all which require making a new character to take advantage of.

With all of the new and upcoming changes to the game, there is no doubt in my mind that many (if not all) of the "new character features" that will be coming out (like monks, prestige classes, druids, and whatever turbine comes up with) will require us to make a new character to take advantage of it.

Seeing how we have gotten ourselves into a pattern here, and since there is quite a large representation of the player base that does NOT enjoy re-rolling for whatever reason (mine is because I already have fully-geared and capable characters, and they will not be "replaced" by the new additions that Turbine rolls out with).

So my idea to help ease the fact that no matter what an end-content-power-gamer that doesn't like to re-roll, will indeed have to re-roll on down the road... why not make dragonshards or some other new collectible (that drops fairly often) give us the ability to trade bound-items from character to character (not from account to account, so no they are not tradeable, simply transferrable).

I understand this would open up the problem of raiding on one character to help outfit another one of your characters... but if done right, is that so bad?

I find the most annoying part of "re-rolling" isnt the xp part.. it's the "re-gearing" aspect.

Put like a week-timer on it, make it cost 10k-50kpp, require some new collectible, viable but still costly.


Does anyone agree? Have any other ideas/amendments? Am I way out of line here?

[Ziggy]

I say exclude raid loot and this sounds interesting.

If you could trade all the bound story loot(WW,STK, etc...) then sure. BUt i dont think it should be possible to RAID, get yourself a raid item and send it to your alt.

Specifically because it would open up the abuse of, but my rogue needs that delving suit, so sorry mr rogue who got us through the traps in VON 5, im rolling for it.

[Elfvyra]

Sorry, don't agree. And since no one is forcing you, or anyone else, to reroll... don't. See how easy that was?

[The_Cataclysm]

Do you propose this works cross different servers, Aesh?

[AEschyl]

Do you propose this works cross different servers, Aesh?

haha no, but i wouldnt not use it if they implimented it

[AEschyl]

Specifically because it would open up the abuse of, but my rogue needs that delving suit, so sorry mr rogue who got us through the traps in VON 5, im rolling for it.

well that would be more of a guild issue and/or the people you raid with issue, and as such should have no bearing on the actual mechanic of an implimentaion.

[Mad_Bombardier]

No thanks. I enjoy playing the game for the journey. Part of that journey is completing a task and being rewarded with named items. But, that's just me.

[Lorien_the_First_One]

Another way to deal with this might be in addition to the "delete" and "create" char options they gave us a "recreate" option on the login screen. If you chose "recreate" it would allow you to roll a new char just as if you used the "create" option except it would start with whatever inventory your existing char had (both bound and unbound items) in addition to the normal bound starter stuff.

[Dane_McArdy]

I'm not keen on being able to spread around certain loot.

However, how about this.

You can will bound loot to another toon of yours. BUT, there is always a big but, isn't there? Lets talk about your big But Simone...

BUT...the character you will your bound item too, can only get their inheritance, once they original toon is deleted (Read as, dies).

That way, people can't use their uber geared up, soloing the Demon Queen toons to farm raid loot for their other toons.

So, if you really wanted to reroll a new toon, you could pass on your bound gear.

[JelloMold]

No thanks. I enjoy playing the game for the journey. Part of that journey is completing a task and being rewarded with named items. But, that's just me.

and me

[Klattuu]

The philosophy behind bound items is that they are slightly more powerful that items of similar restrictions. They are a reward for a job well done, not a reward for a good trade.

[wraith87]

I'm not keen on being able to spread around certain loot.

However, how about this.

You can will bound loot to another toon of yours. BUT, there is always a big but, isn't there? Lets talk about your big But Simone...

BUT...the character you will your bound item too, can only get their inheritance, once they original toon is deleted (Read as, dies).

That way, people can't use their uber geared up, soloing the Demon Queen toons to farm raid loot for their other toons.

So, if you really wanted to reroll a new toon, you could pass on your bound gear.

Alright...what I'm getting from this is that:

The character that is passing on his bound items will die after passing said items to another character.

I think that'd be an almost acceptable way of doing things..

[Rafal]

Alright...what I'm getting from this is that:

The character that is passing on his bound items will die after passing said items to another character.

I think that'd be an almost acceptable way of doing things..

I like this idea. Would give us a way to adjust to changes and at the same time we should see more lower level characters running around.

[Klattuu]

Alright...what I'm getting from this is that:

The character that is passing on his bound items will die after passing said items to another character.

I think that'd be an almost acceptable way of doing things..

That may be programatically difficult. Maybe a permanent loss of 1 or 2 levels per loss of bound item would be easier to code.

[AEschyl]

Alright...what I'm getting from this is that:

The character that is passing on his bound items will die after passing said items to another character.

I think that'd be an almost acceptable way of doing things..

ooh, that 'does' sound good!

[Dane_McArdy]

That may be programatically difficult. Maybe a permanent loss of 1 or 2 levels per loss of bound item would be easier to code.

Naw, some mechanics are already in place.

The character with the bound items goes to the shyste...er Lawyer. Pays to have a will made. He pays the lawyer based on the value of the items.

So like when you put an auction up, the items go to the "house" disappear from your inventory.

Now, the person you said gets the items has to be in existance. So if you doing a reroll, you need to make that toon first.

So you have your will, you've handed over the items, now you need to delete that character.

Then the person that gets the items is sent mail notifing them of the tragic events that lead to the death of so and so, and how they wanted you to have such and such. YOu detach the items and they bind to that character.

Ta da.

Thank you. Now for my next trick....

[Gimpster]

So my idea to help ease the fact that no matter what an end-content-power-gamer that doesn't like to re-roll, will indeed have to re-roll on down the road... why not make dragonshards or some other new collectible (that drops fairly often) give us the ability to trade bound-items from character to character

No. If there is a need to help characters reroll for prestige classes or something, then let them reroll that same character. Create an option (which will require you to type in your name/password again to confirm) which will drop a character back to level 1, or even back to the character creation- but keep favor and inventory.

That way, you can rebuild the character as you need, and the only thing you need to re-earn is XP, not favor or bound loot. I think the time spent releveling is enough of a penalty to keep total respecs from happening too much.

[AEschyl]

that works too.

all i'm trying to accomplish here is the ability to re-roll and keep bound gear.

i'm a 1-character type player (i'm all about creating 1 "perfected" character that keeps me entertained and is of course... 'uber' )

so every time i have to re-roll, regaining all of that favor and bound loot is... well... annoying to say the least, especially when i never, ever, ever plan to play the old character again.

ddo is a different game to so many people, for me - it's about perfection, not about "having 1 of each type of class to play around with" - which seems to be the way ddo is emphasizing their content.

[Dane_McArdy]

that works too.

all i'm trying to accomplish here is the ability to re-roll and keep bound gear.

i'm a 1-character type player (i'm all about creating 1 "perfected" character that keeps me entertained and is of course... 'uber' )

so every time i have to re-roll, regaining all of that favor and bound loot is... well... annoying to say the least, especially when i never, ever, ever plan to play the old character again.

ddo is a different game to so many people, for me - it's about perfection, not about "having 1 of each type of class to play around with" - which seems to be the way ddo is emphasizing their content.

You are going to have to do the quests again if you reroll, so who cares about regaining favor, honestly? You are going to get it anyway. Even if you have to unlock each level of a quest to get the most favor, that's only running each quest 3 times, and you won't have to do that.

Besides, if you reroll, you are a totally new person, that has no relationship with the NPC of Stormreach and such. Favor isn't just something that you get for playing the game in general.

It represents an aspect of roll playing that the game needs, and that is why it is tied to your character, not your account.

[AEschyl]

woah woah, when did this become a thread about favor?

and dane, not everyone plays the game for the same reasons, so saying "the game needs more of an rp aspect" doesnt chime to everyone, maybe you - but definitely not me and a lot of my friends that play

some people play ddo for the role-play aspect

some people play ddo for the "loot" aspect

some people play ddo for the "being a child again" aspect

all i'm trying to do is open up another option that makes the power-gaming section of the game as happy as the re-rolling section of the game is.