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    Default Disruption is blunt only!

    As per the SRD, disruption can only be on a blunt weapon:

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    A weapon of disruption is the bane of all undead. Any undead creature struck in combat must succeed on a DC 14 Will save or be destroyed. A weapon of disruption must be a bludgeoning weapon
    Why do we have slashing disruptors if this is the rule?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Cataclysm View Post
    Thanks for clearing that up

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThEndor View Post
    Thanks for clearing that up
    It's a good thing that only one dev answers questions about items so I just had to search though Graal's posting history.

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    Because this rule is silly and doesn't make any sense? There's no good reason why the disruption effect should only be restricted to blunt weapons. You can say that since Vorpal lops the head off of an opponent, it would make sense that it's an effect that only shows up on on slashing weapons. Same thing goes for puncturing, bonebreaking, etc. Shrugs, the way I see it, if a rule is bad, I'm all for breaking it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blah77 View Post
    Because this rule is silly and doesn't make any sense? There's no good reason why the disruption effect should only be restricted to blunt weapons. You can say that since Vorpal lops the head off of an opponent
    The reason is that the most powerful undead, such as Liches, have DR/Blunt. Blunt weapons are more effective towards killing undead than other things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gimpster View Post
    The reason is that the most powerful undead, such as Liches, have DR/Blunt. Blunt weapons are more effective towards killing undead than other things.
    Unless they happen to be zombies...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Freeman View Post
    Unless they happen to be zombies...
    Most people don't consider zombies to be among the most powerful undead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Cataclysm View Post
    Most people don't consider zombies to be among the most powerful undead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gimpster View Post
    The reason is that the most powerful undead, such as Liches, have DR/Blunt. Blunt weapons are more effective towards killing undead than other things.
    No, that's not a good reason. Liches make up what, 0.01% of the overall undead population? You can't formulate a reason that is based on 0.01% of a certain population group and expect people to recognize it as a valid reason. I don't know about you but if I were to enchant a weapon that is specifically designed to kill a certain group of creatures, I personally wouldn't care what kind of damage it does as long as the enchanted effect works.

    Now granted, blunt weapons are also required to deal full normal physical damage to skeletons but last I checked, zombies are quite numerous within the undead hierarchy as well. This is not to mention that there are also other powerful undead sub-types to consider such as mummy lords, wraiths or vampires that aren't resistant to non-blunt weapons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blah77 View Post
    I don't know about you but if I were to enchant a weapon that is specifically designed to kill a certain group of creatures, I personally wouldn't care what kind of damage it does as long as the enchanted effect works.
    It's not the whim of the crafter- it's how magic works. Different shapes of objects have affinities to hold a kind of magic more in tune with what it looks like.

    Disruption is only blunt for the same reason smiting is only blunt- because that kind of weapon beats the DR of the associated monster, it is better at blasting destructive energy into them.

    Quote Originally Posted by blah77 View Post
    I don't know about you but if I were to enchant a weapon that is specifically designed to kill a certain group of creatures
    If I were to enchant a vorpal, I'd want it on a rapier or repeating crossbow. That'd be nice, but it's not how magic works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gimpster View Post
    It's not the whim of the crafter- it's how magic works. Different shapes of objects have affinities to hold a kind of magic more in tune with what it looks like.

    Disruption is only blunt for the same reason smiting is only blunt- because that kind of weapon beats the DR of the associated monster, it is better at blasting destructive energy into them.
    That isn't the case here at all. Whether a weapon can get past a creatures DR, it will deliver its enchanted effect all the same as long as it achieves physical contact (a hit). Same logic applies to elemental or alignment magical effect on weaons. Those weapons will also deliver its enchanted effect irregardless of the physical damage type of the weapon itself. Need I also bring up the fact that liches and skeletons are not vulnerable to blunt damages, at least not in the same sense as a fire based creature being vulnerable to cold damage. Blunt weapons only allows the wielder to deal full physical damage to these undead sub-types, as opposed to extra damage. Besides, blunt doesn't do full damage to all undead sub-types so this whole argument is moot.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimpster View Post
    If I were to enchant a vorpal, I'd want it on a rapier or repeating crossbow. That'd be nice, but it's not how magic works.
    Apples and oranges. The Vorpal effect is quite clearly stated as the decaptitation of its intended target. Can you think of a piercing or blunt weapon that can cleanly decapitate its target even in the hands of the most skilled weapon masters? In anycase, the description of the disruption effect mentions nothing about why it should only be on blunt weapons. If anything, based on the description alone, one can argue that its an effect that could be on any weapon since they all can *strike* an undead target regardless of how much physical damage was done.
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