warforged vs mindflayer

**darthchaos** · 07-02-2007, 08:00 AM

just out of curousity, i have been curious about how a mindflayer is capable of eating the brain of a warforged. since the typical flayer has to eat fresh brains to sustain itself and since a warforged isnt technically a mortal creature or a cyborg with a fleshy brain how can it be devoured.

**bandyman1** · 07-02-2007, 08:03 AM

If I remember correctly, War Forged are made up of both inorganic ( metal ), AND organic material. If that's the case, then there's nothing saying that they don't have an organic brain for the flayer to eat, although, how the tentacles could bore through thier face plates is another matter.

**Idahe** · 07-02-2007, 08:09 AM

I was under the impression that the organic material Warforged were composed of was elemental wood or something like that. There is no fleshy brain or anything akin to a human brain in there.

I don;t have a problem with the Mindflayers mind blast working on WF, but the "eat brains" things shoudn't happen.

**bandyman1** · 07-02-2007, 08:14 AM

Honestly Idahe, I couldn't tell you. Took at look at the Eberron book a friend bought when it was first released. I do remember it saying that they were composed of organic and inorganic materials, but I couldn't tell you what those materials were.

**MysticTheurge** · 07-02-2007, 08:17 AM

Originally Posted by Idahe

I don;t have a problem with the Mindflayers mind blast working on WF, but the "eat brains" things shoudn't happen.

All special attacks function against warforged normally unless the warforged write up in ECS specifically says they don't work.

This means things like a vampire's Blood Drain and a mind flayer's Extract ability both work.

If you want a "fluff" explanation for how it happens...

Warforged, unless specifically stated otherwise, have analogs to a human's physiology. A warforged doesn't have "blood" but he does have some sort of fluid that's necessary for his health and well being. Draining this fluid is analogous to draining a human's blood. Likewise he may not have a "brain" but he has some sort of mass of organic matter in his head which serves as a central nervous system and which can be extracted to somewhat disastrous effect.

**Sue_Dark** · 07-02-2007, 08:18 AM

In DDO, the bad news is that weather there is a brain or not, the flayers can suck your skull and the vaccuum created implodes your head and kills you.

In DDO, the good news is that when your WF friend gets his head "eaten" before you, you get a few more seconds to live and hopefully kill the Flayer, while he is puking his gets out. If you havent sen this effect, it is quite humorous, drag your local WF to the Shrieking mines today and check it out for yourself!

So you get a 2-fer, for the cost of 1 WF brain sucking, you get a good laugh and a briefly incap Flayer. how can that be bad?!?

EDIT- Who cares what they're made of, its great to watch the flayers vomit all over themselves!

**Broto** · 07-02-2007, 09:42 AM

From:

D&D ® Frequently Asked Questions
Version 3.5: Date Updated 05/18/07

Can a warforged have its brain extracted by a mind flayer?

Yes. His brain may not look like the illithid’s normal meal, but a warforged is a living creature and thus is just as
vulnerable to that dreaded attack as any human or dwarf. (That said, the Sage expects that warforged brain likely isn’t a commonly appreciated meal among mind flayers. Probably an acquired taste at best.) The same is true of other effects that might not apply to constructs (such as a vorpal weapon, which doesn’t have much effect against most constructs), unless otherwise stated in the living construct subtype.

**dormetheus** · 07-02-2007, 10:41 PM

Why would a warforge have a central nervous system. I thought they were animated by magic?

**MysticTheurge** · 07-03-2007, 08:38 AM

Originally Posted by dormetheus

Why would a warforge have a central nervous system. I thought they were animated by magic?

Warforged are Living Constructs, not Constructs.

That means they're different from golems or whatever you usually think of when you think of constructs. They have a lot of stuff that golems don't. This includes some sort of brain-like apparatus that can be extracted by a mind flayer.

**Ghoste** · 07-03-2007, 09:29 AM

I think of it in this sense: mind flayers do not physically extract the brain of a warforged, but rather extract their psychic essence leaving the brain (whatever it is composed of) an empty shell.

It could be completely false, but it sits better in my mind if i choose to think of it like that.

**Silverblade-T-E** · 07-03-2007, 10:05 AM

FYI, mind flayer's tentacles secret an enzyme which is, according to D&D cannon, capable of eating through about **** near anything (their own body slime is one of the few things that can stop it)...so thus, even if a warforged doesn't have an ORGANIC "brain" per se, it would seem they have somehting that acts in that regard, maybe a device or gem or who knows what...but the mind flayers tentacles can still dissolve it.

For an easier explanation: mind flayers can suck out a warforged's nuts!

**Yvonne_Blacksword** · 07-03-2007, 11:00 AM

um...vamires suck...oil?

Mindflayers...eat wood?

I am sorry...can't get my mind around it.

Maybe if mindflayers sucked thought energies from living beings...I could understand it.
Shouldn't they be more attracted to the higher thinkers...instead of my 8 inel fighter?

Maybe if vampires sucked life force...ok...WF got that. Higher con...tastee-er treat...

but oil?!!!
wood?!!!

something is wrong.
make em immune and I might roll one.

**Mad_Bombardier** · 07-03-2007, 11:08 AM

Originally Posted by Yvonne Blacksword

um...vamires suck...oil?

Mindflayers...eat wood?

I am sorry...can't get my mind around it.

Which is why I like this explanation.

Originally Posted by Ghoste

I think of it in this sense: mind flayers do not physically extract the brain of a warforged, but rather extract their psychic essence leaving the brain (whatever it is composed of) an empty shell.

It could be completely false, but it sits better in my mind if i choose to think of it like that.

**Inkblack** · 07-03-2007, 11:31 AM

Originally Posted by Yvonne Blacksword

Shouldn't they be more attracted to the higher thinkers...instead of my 8 intel fighter?

I read that, and immediately thought of this:
http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0031.html

OOTS FTW!

Ink

**Yaga_Nub** · 07-03-2007, 11:41 AM

Originally Posted by Inkblack

I read that, and immediately thought of this:
http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0031.html

OOTS FTW!

Ink

That's awesome.

**captain1** · 07-03-2007, 01:38 PM

But did u notice when a mindflayer does eat a warforged "brain".... they get sick, throw up and are stunned for a few seconds.

I totally crushed one after it got sick eating a warforged buddy of mine.

So it is recognized that the WF and fleshy "brains" are different.....at least by this small accounting.

**Richtenfaust** · 07-03-2007, 07:35 PM

WF are immune to a vampire's blood drain and slam attacks because they are immune to energy drain.

The mindflayer thing is an annoyance, but it is amusing that they get sick in DDO after doing it.

**dormetheus** · 07-03-2007, 11:34 PM

As a WF, can I put my "brain" in my pants. That's where it usually is anyway.

"Dolphins can suuuckkk itttt"

**MysticTheurge** · 07-04-2007, 12:06 AM

Originally Posted by Richtenfaust

WF are immune to a vampire's blood drain and slam attacks because they are immune to energy drain.

A vampire's "blood drain" ability is not an energy drain effect. Its slam attack is, but its blood drain ability is not.

Warforged are immune to the "energy drain" ability of vampires but not their "blood drain" ability.

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