HCL 6 ideas

[Searious]

A few thoughts on the HCL rewards mechanics. (And all this is without the HCL crash I died ~cry~ stuff - just focused on the rewards for this thread.)

At 1750 the rewards definitely need to be reconsidered. Helms or glowing eyes have always been meh. I don' t have the answer for this slot but surely player population has some interesting and fun suggestions. How about a mirror of glamouring or two? Or a special weapon glamour aura? idk.

At 5000 The horses have been cool, but we are saturated with horses now. And it has to be said the horses haven't been exactly what players dreamed of when reading about them. Firstly, the 'bone mount' was a regular horse wearing a bone helmet. Every player thought it would be a skeleton horse. Hint hint - you can still do that for us, and we'd go nuts to get it. The celestial mount was also a dud. The water horse from the Frozen 2 movie was more what we pictured. Lastly on horses, give us the Kelpie horse from lost locket, and let it be usable underwater. That would make player hearts swell.
Anyway, the bloody feet at 5k for HC5 was cool and nice to score them, but it does devalue the HC1 footprints in coolness factor, I suppose they should have been a different color or something I dunno.

The RP10 cloaks are fine - cool for the most part. The RP20 pets are and always have been meh. I have never cared for the 'pet' mechanic. They get in the way visually - like 5 of them running around during raids etc is annoying, and they don't actually DO anything. Now I would rather SSG not come up with something awesome for RP20, since then I'd have to actually get it, but honestly I'm thinking they are missing out on a huge opportunity there. Maybe if you could switch your leap of faith wings with a cosmetic reaper wings replacement or something. There are possibilities there, you see where I'm going with it.

And lastly, the last idea is - with the recent content adds to the game, 5k isn't really a big deal anymore. I can skip Titan and ADQ and still get 5k before finishing Vale or stepping foot in Amrath. It's a cake walk that's more of a time sink than anything. Let's add a 6k favor reward - make it awesome, and watch the HC server buzz with new life again

[archest]

regardless of VIP status.

#1 everyone open elite level
#2 everyone have access to all content

[Dendrix]

regardless of VIP status.

#1 everyone open elite level
#2 everyone have access to all content

No.
I pay for VIP, I think if you want the benefits I have to pay for you should pay for them.
I pay for expansions, I think if you want the benefits I have to pay for you should pay for them.

[Oxarhamar]

regardless of VIP status.

#1 everyone open elite level
#2 everyone have access to all content

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[Oxarhamar]

A few thoughts on the HCL rewards mechanics. (And all this is without the HCL crash I died ~cry~ stuff - just focused on the rewards for this thread.)

At 1750 the rewards definitely need to be reconsidered. Helms or glowing eyes have always been meh. I don' t have the answer for this slot but surely player population has some interesting and fun suggestions. How about a mirror of glamouring or two? Or a special weapon glamour aura? idk.

At 5000 The horses have been cool, but we are saturated with horses now. And it has to be said the horses haven't been exactly what players dreamed of when reading about them. Firstly, the 'bone mount' was a regular horse wearing a bone helmet. Every player thought it would be a skeleton horse. Hint hint - you can still do that for us, and we'd go nuts to get it. The celestial mount was also a dud. The water horse from the Frozen 2 movie was more what we pictured. Lastly on horses, give us the Kelpie horse from lost locket, and let it be usable underwater. That would make player hearts swell.
Anyway, the bloody feet at 5k for HC5 was cool and nice to score them, but it does devalue the HC1 footprints in coolness factor, I suppose they should have been a different color or something I dunno.

The RP10 cloaks are fine - cool for the most part. The RP20 pets are and always have been meh. I have never cared for the 'pet' mechanic. They get in the way visually - like 5 of them running around during raids etc is annoying, and they don't actually DO anything. Now I would rather SSG not come up with something awesome for RP20, since then I'd have to actually get it, but honestly I'm thinking they are missing out on a huge opportunity there. Maybe if you could switch your leap of faith wings with a cosmetic reaper wings replacement or something. There are possibilities there, you see where I'm going with it.

And lastly, the last idea is - with the recent content adds to the game, 5k isn't really a big deal anymore. I can skip Titan and ADQ and still get 5k before finishing Vale or stepping foot in Amrath. It's a cake walk that's more of a time sink than anything. Let's add a 6k favor reward - make it awesome, and watch the HC server buzz with new life again

Having different rewards might interest me depending good idea

I like mounts but we need something 9tger than horses dinosaurs psudodragons etc

[slarden]

I think some over-achiever rewards like 6500k favor, 5MM rxp would be good - I personally wouldn't go for those - not willing to commit the time, but you never know - the reward could convince me to go for 5MM while making a new alt at the same time. They should not take away rewards - just add.

My favorite reward is the cloaks. The RP10 I like because it's fast and meaningful, although it's getting easier so less meaningful every season. In season 1 less than 100 people earned it so it meant something and was rare. They get less rare every season. I had an alt with less than 100k that just ran a few random reapers going for favor and level 20 season 1 and even that character was on top 100.

RP20 based on the #s is the hardest reward to earn and yet one of the worse prizes. I never pull out pets and generally don't like them as a cosmetic, but some people do.

We've had 5 seasons which makes me wonder if it's time to retire hardcore and try some type of challenge season. Possibly even a season on live and something that encourages grouping. Perhaps creating a new character on a live server so the equal playing field benefit is still there. Not sure if the devs have the tech for something like that.

Either way, it's been 5 seasons. Something is needed to spice it up at a minimum, although it still seems extremely popular based on the # of death notices I saw running my 100 favor for TP.

[boredGamer]

No.
I pay for VIP, I think if you want the benefits I have to pay for you should pay for them.
I pay for expansions, I think if you want the benefits I have to pay for you should pay for them.

I pay for vip and completely disagree. It’s just sad the non vip on hardcore desperately posting for openers. Give vip some other benefit but it’s silly to lock that in hardcore.

Second - let’s get some OTHER types of challenges - it doesn’t have to be 1750 and 5k at all. I’ve posted ideas before but other types of challenges would be phenomenal.

[archest]

so keep it it wont be as crowded with me not there .

[Bjond]

My idea contribution to this thread is ...

Dandelion Footprints. Call the feat "Pushing up Daisies" or similar to fit the HCL death theme. SSG's art team is more than creative enough to come up with a nature themed footprint that doesn't look like you're tracking wet paint all over. Add this one and that season will be packed.

1750 the rewards definitely need to be reconsidered

Give a single tome+8 bound to character, claimable only once per server. Or a single DP+1 historical, bound to character, claim one per server.

At 5000 The horses have been cool

I seriously doubt they could make a horse that would motivated me to run 5k favor. With the stable, a single fast horse is all I need and I have 7 or 8 of them. I do like the footprints. A sufficiently unique one might motivate me to run another 5k. Or, make it more incremental. Give a single +8 tome of choice per 1k favor earned once per server. Earn 6k favor? You earned the equivalent of one S8 tome. Or DP+1 tomes. Something you can take back that might help your live characters.

The RP10 cloaks are fine

I like the cloaks, too, and they feel about right as far as "niceness" of reward goes for the effort.

RP20 pets are and always have been meh

LOL, yeah. Pets are annoying to have around. They're kinda fun for 10s when you get a new one, but then dismissed and never summoned again.

add a 6k favor reward

If you want to make it more than a careful grind, more favor wouldn't be the way to go. More reaper would do that, though I do agree that favor levels are MUCH more likely to garner interest than reaper.

regardless of VIP status. #1 everyone open elite level #2 everyone have access to all content

I pay for vip and completely disagree

Both of these solutions need to be combined effectively for DDO to survive at all. F2P is utterly pointless right now. There is no reason for a F2P player to be in game at all unless they are doing something to make things more fun for VIP -- filling out groups, farming mats for AH, posting funny stuff in general chat -- the exact what doesn't much matter. Access is important. I'm not buying new content now because of what happened with Feywild. No one bought it and thus the only reason to own it was if you wanted to solo-farm the gear there.

In order to maximize the usefulness of F2P to VIP, the F2P need access to all that the VIP can access. So, I'd do something like how VIP can open elite instantly and F2P can join, but for access, too; ie. F2P grouped with VIP can do anything the VIP has access. It still needs an incentive to buy, though. Perhaps (with a VIP in group) they can run, they can loot, but they can't wear stuff from content without access. This would leave them with nice shiny items they might want to use badly enough to buy VIP and/or expansion packs.

So, more VIP incentive and F2P becomes universally useful to VIP as groupies.

[Mofus]

Wouldn't mind seeing some permanent hireling rewards.

[Wizard1406]

Both of these solutions need to be combined effectively for DDO to survive at all. F2P is utterly pointless right now. There is no reason for a F2P player to be in game at all unless they are doing something to make things more fun for VIP -- filling out groups, farming mats for AH, posting funny stuff in general chat -- the exact what doesn't much matter. Access is important. I'm not buying new content now because of what happened with Feywild. No one bought it and thus the only reason to own it was if you wanted to solo-farm the gear there.

In order to maximize the usefulness of F2P to VIP, the F2P need access to all that the VIP can access. So, I'd do something like how VIP can open elite instantly and F2P can join, but for access, too; ie. F2P grouped with VIP can do anything the VIP has access. It still needs an incentive to buy, though. Perhaps (with a VIP in group) they can run, they can loot, but they can't wear stuff from content without access. This would leave them with nice shiny items they might want to use badly enough to buy VIP and/or expansion packs.

So, more VIP incentive and F2P becomes universally useful to VIP as groupies.

I agree! In many F2P games all areas are free access, so the spenders have more people to play with. Restricting wearing equipment from there and no favor rewards like the universal trees, could be a good restriction. Then people still want to buy content but can join groups even before they buy it. Good as a "trial" of new content too.

I remember it being harder to fill P2P content before the free quest code and cheap expansions. And then, like you said it is still harder to fill newer expansions that were not sold for DP yet or for a deep black friday sale discount yet.

[archest]

not going to pay 30.00 to play HARDCORE event. sorry id rather have 5000 points on a main server.

[StormKnight]

regardless of VIP status.

#1 everyone open elite level
#2 everyone have access to all content

Then what's the point of having items locked to account, when players could just hardcore them for free. No cigar for you and rightfully so.

[archest]

I guess if you spent years farming during hardcore you could freely transfer item sets to your main account without having to purchase expansions.
could also reduce the time Hardcore runs to limit that further.
but regardless not going to spend money (Points) for an event which limits the capability of the game further (crafting, leveling)
In store purchases on hard core that are locked in the land of the lost.
is real money too.

[Oliphant]

I spotted some real VIP high rollers on this thread. That VIP whale mode is keeping the lights on I'm told. LOLOLOL

[Memnir]

regardless of VIP status.

#1 everyone open elite level
#2 everyone have access to all content

No.

[SiliconScout]

Wouldn't mind seeing some permanent hireling rewards.

NOT SIGNED and that is as someone who has played every hardcore. Hardcore should not, ever provide any reward that has a tangible, in-game benefit while questing. Especially if it's permanent

• Cosmetics, sure.
• Mounts, OK
• effects and auras sure thing
• Maybe some QoL specialty pots that combine 2 other post at a slightly increased price
  
  • deathward + CSW
  • Remove Curse + Remove disease
  • CSW + Restoration
  • Deathward + Aid

Changing it up can be OK for sure but if has to be anything that doesn't provide a permanent boost. If it does then it becomes something you need to run and we are going down that road just shut down all there servers and make one mega-hardcore server for the game because with them running 9-10 months out of the year that is what will essentially happen anyway.

[elkorm]

regardless of VIP status.

#1 everyone open elite level
#2 everyone have access to all content

regardless of status every1 can open Reaper and you can run quests only on reaper at max +2

that would be a great challenge with everyone on even footing (gear/toon wise)
my 2 cents

Cheers
Elk

[fatherpirate]

HCL6 idea

Don't have one.
no really

make something else that is actually fun

[Jerevth]

My thoughts

Weapon glamors:
- blood dripping for reaching level 20
- black ichor dripping for reaper tier 1
- blackened right arm for Reaper tier 2 (not certain if this could be done, though)

5000 Favor- half and half hair dye; top half is white, the lower half (in an uneven line) is blood red and... is it dripping?

7500 Favor- scintillating aura around the toon