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    I have been playing DDO for about 10 years, and this is a first time experience for me. I was in the middle of a quest when I got DC'd with the message "You are being logged out because you have logged in to server Argonnessen". I was on G-Land at the time this happened. When I tried to log back in I got the message "Incorrect username or bad password". I freaked out just a little... Okay it was more of a moderate freak-out. So I quickly pulled up my email to see if I got any of those "password change" notification emails from SSG, and fortunately there weren't any. So I went to https://myaccount.turbine.com/index.php anyway to see if I could change my password, and was successful. After which, I did get an email about chaning my password. I logged back in to G-Land, no problem. Logged of, then back in to Argo. A quick look at my character, bank, etc. and everything seemed to be in order.

    Has this ever happened to anyone else? Was it a glitch? Was it someone that guessed my username and p/w just to see if he could, then logged off without doing anything - either scared/surprised he got in, or something similar? Did I just fat-finger my password due to nerves when I tried to log in after getting DC'd?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fedora1 View Post
    I have been playing DDO for about 10 years, and this is a first time experience for me. I was in the middle of a quest when I got DC'd with the message "You are being logged out because you have logged in to server Argonnessen". I was on G-Land at the time this happened. When I tried to log back in I got the message "Incorrect username or bad password". I freaked out just a little... Okay it was more of a moderate freak-out. So I quickly pulled up my email to see if I got any of those "password change" notification emails from SSG, and fortunately there weren't any. So I went to https://myaccount.turbine.com/index.php anyway to see if I could change my password, and was successful. After which, I did get an email about chaning my password. I logged back in to G-Land, no problem. Logged of, then back in to Argo. A quick look at my character, bank, etc. and everything seemed to be in order.

    Has this ever happened to anyone else? Was it a glitch? Was it someone that guessed my username and p/w just to see if he could, then logged off without doing anything - either scared/surprised he got in, or something similar? Did I just fat-finger my password due to nerves when I tried to log in after getting DC'd?
    Been around since launch myself and this is the first I have ever herd of this specific issue.

    If it's a glitch its interesting that it thought you were in another server. You ever share your password? I know, for example, that my wife knows mine so if she's farming tokens she can logon with one of my toons and pass them if she needs to rather than asking me to get on the machine and do it.

    If it's a hack .. well that would ALSO be a first for me hearing about it. Was your password relatively simple / straight forward? It could be a lucky guess or getting caught by a brute force attempt.

    For the record a password like Window Unicorn Brown Kite is more secure than what most that people might pick toss in a special character and some numbers so it's W!nd0w Unicorn #Brown Kit3 and there's not a dictionary attack in the world that will ever get it and even a brute force shot at it will be completely impractical.
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    Thanks for the reply. I never share my p/w with anyone, and I am the only one in my household that plays DDO.

    As an update, it just happened two more times, within a couple of minutes of each other. I was near the end of Delara's 1 on G-Land when I got the same boot and message about being logged in to Cannith. This time I got right back in with my recently changed p/w. Finished Deleras, then got booted again a minute later with the same message, thie time for Argo (again).

    What the heck?
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    I've never heard of this particular issue but about two years back or so there was a thread someone posted about logging in on his usual account in the absolutely normal way and when he came to the character select screen had none of his usual characters but someone else's. He said he immediately quit out in surprise, came to post his thread and when he logged back in again all was fine.

    I don't remember much of anything else in the thread except forum posters theorizing maybe he logged into a server he hadn't been on in years and had forgotten the characters.
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    that particular message is what I get when i log onto the same account by accident trying to log my alt account on

    just saying that it has happened more then once really worry me.....

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    Have you been experiencing an increase in lag related events? I have experienced an increase in lag related events that have dc'd me while entering and leaving instances the last several weeks. One time I logged back in and there were no characters on the intro screen, so I logged out, waited a few minutes, and logged back in and everything was back to normal. My impression is the significant increase in lag events is causing a host of issues, including those related to the recent increase in TR disasters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hobgoblin View Post
    that particular message is what I get when i log onto the same account by accident trying to log my alt account on

    just saying that it has happened more then once really worry me.....
    Yep. I do have a couple alt accounts (both premium, but rarely used). I tried the dual box thing for a while, but it didn't appeal to me so now I use one for a couple of mules and that's about it. Might log into it once a month or so. The other account is maybe once in 3-4 months for no other reason than to refresh my memory on what is there. lol

    I've never kicked myself off though. I have typed the wrong p/w for the wrong account every once in a while, but not while I am logged in to another account using it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaxtan View Post
    Have you been experiencing an increase in lag related events? I have experienced an increase in lag related events that have dc'd me while entering and leaving instances the last several weeks. One time I logged back in and there were no characters on the intro screen, so I logged out, waited a few minutes, and logged back in and everything was back to normal. My impression is the significant increase in lag events is causing a host of issues, including those related to the recent increase in TR disasters.
    I had no personal issues with lag today at all, but have noticed a couple minor lag-related issues here and there over the past couple months. I certainly hope this is a glitch and not a hack attempt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aelonwy View Post
    I've never heard of this particular issue but about two years back or so there was a thread someone posted about logging in on his usual account in the absolutely normal way and when he came to the character select screen had none of his usual characters but someone else's. He said he immediately quit out in surprise, came to post his thread and when he logged back in again all was fine.

    I don't remember much of anything else in the thread except forum posters theorizing maybe he logged into a server he hadn't been on in years and had forgotten the characters.
    I don't remember that thread, but thanks for the reply. That's really weird!
    My take on "the grind": https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthrea...=1#post6220972

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    However, some people, by blaming others for their own bad behavior, develop a thought pattern that allows them to override self-control in order to achieve a selfish end.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fedora1 View Post
    I have been playing DDO for about 10 years, and this is a first time experience for me. I was in the middle of a quest when I got DC'd with the message "You are being logged out because you have logged in to server Argonnessen". I was on G-Land at the time this happened. When I tried to log back in I got the message "Incorrect username or bad password". I freaked out just a little... Okay it was more of a moderate freak-out. So I quickly pulled up my email to see if I got any of those "password change" notification emails from SSG, and fortunately there weren't any. So I went to https://myaccount.turbine.com/index.php anyway to see if I could change my password, and was successful. After which, I did get an email about chaning my password. I logged back in to G-Land, no problem. Logged of, then back in to Argo. A quick look at my character, bank, etc. and everything seemed to be in order.

    Has this ever happened to anyone else? Was it a glitch? Was it someone that guessed my username and p/w just to see if he could, then logged off without doing anything - either scared/surprised he got in, or something similar? Did I just fat-finger my password due to nerves when I tried to log in after getting DC'd?
    It just happened to me, but says i'm in sarona, was in orion, memory lapse quest, just about to go for boss fight too... -_-"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fedora1 View Post
    I don't remember that thread, but thanks for the reply. That's really weird!
    I remember that other thread too, but your issue is scarier in it's own way. Being active on one box and having a DC originating from another server login would spook me big time.

    Looks like this might not be isolated based on the next post, please keep us informed on anything that you find out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NemesisAlien View Post
    It just happened to me, but says i'm in sarona, was in orion, memory lapse quest, just about to go for boss fight too... -_-"
    So maybe this is a glitchy thing after all, and not hack attempts?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nonesuch2008 View Post
    I remember that other thread too, but your issue is scarier in it's own way. Being active on one box and having a DC originating from another server login would spook me big time.
    Yes, I was (and still am) spooked.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nonesuch2008 View Post
    Looks like this might not be isolated based on the next post, please keep us informed on anything that you find out.
    I certainly will. I did send a PM to Lynnabel. She has a great reputation for being helpful.
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    However, some people, by blaming others for their own bad behavior, develop a thought pattern that allows them to override self-control in order to achieve a selfish end.
    - My opinion on exploiters and cheaters blaming SSG for unfair punishment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fedora1 View Post
    So maybe this is a glitchy thing after all, and not hack attempts?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fedora1 View Post
    I have been playing DDO for about 10 years, and this is a first time experience for me. I was in the middle of a quest when I got DC'd with the message "You are being logged out because you have logged in to server Argonnessen". I was on G-Land at the time this happened. When I tried to log back in I got the message "Incorrect username or bad password". I freaked out just a little... Okay it was more of a moderate freak-out. So I quickly pulled up my email to see if I got any of those "password change" notification emails from SSG, and fortunately there weren't any. So I went to https://myaccount.turbine.com/index.php anyway to see if I could change my password, and was successful. After which, I did get an email about chaning my password. I logged back in to G-Land, no problem. Logged of, then back in to Argo. A quick look at my character, bank, etc. and everything seemed to be in order.

    Has this ever happened to anyone else? Was it a glitch? Was it someone that guessed my username and p/w just to see if he could, then logged off without doing anything - either scared/surprised he got in, or something similar? Did I just fat-finger my password due to nerves when I tried to log in after getting DC'd?
    A couple of quick thoughts - when you changed your password, did you change it to something different from the original, or back to the original? You should definitely not use a password you have used before.

    Also, you should check your computer for malware, if you have been infected it could be shipping your credentials to a remote hacker who is testing to make sure it's working - in that case your account means nothing to him, it's verifying access to your computer that matters. Probably not as installing DDO to test credentials is wasteful and hackers are generally efficient, but damaging enough to at least try to rule out.

    Good luck with this and please do keep us posted, I've long thought the change to using game credentials to log into the forum was a bad change and I'm hoping that's not the source.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LucidLTS View Post
    A couple of quick thoughts - when you changed your password, did you change it to something different from the original, or back to the original? You should definitely not use a password you have used before.

    Also, you should check your computer for malware, if you have been infected it could be shipping your credentials to a remote hacker who is testing to make sure it's working - in that case your account means nothing to him, it's verifying access to your computer that matters. Probably not as installing DDO to test credentials is wasteful and hackers are generally efficient, but damaging enough to at least try to rule out.

    Good luck with this and please do keep us posted, I've long thought the change to using game credentials to log into the forum was a bad change and I'm hoping that's not the source.
    Thanks for the reply, I will keep everyone posted.

    I changed my p/w to a much stronger p/w, one I have never used before.

    My forum account (this one) is actually tied to one of my alt (premium) accounts, as my main account never converted over to the forums back when they made the changes (2012/2013 ish?). So I have not logged in with my "main" forum account in several years, which is the one the weird stuff is happening on.
    My take on "the grind": https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthrea...=1#post6220972

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    However, some people, by blaming others for their own bad behavior, develop a thought pattern that allows them to override self-control in order to achieve a selfish end.
    - My opinion on exploiters and cheaters blaming SSG for unfair punishment.

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    Statistically, the way most MMO accounts get hacked is actually not at the server, but trojaning the users computer, keylogging their login/pw and then stealing the account. If I were you, I would look at what is running on the computer, do some full AV scans and possibly try some malware detector. It could just be a server-side bug, but better safe than sorry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fedora1 View Post
    Thanks for the reply, I will keep everyone posted.

    I changed my p/w to a much stronger p/w, one I have never used before.

    My forum account (this one) is actually tied to one of my alt (premium) accounts, as my main account never converted over to the forums back when they made the changes (2012/2013 ish?). So I have not logged in with my "main" forum account in several years, which is the one the weird stuff is happening on.
    You should also make sure that you change your email password as well. If the person knows your email password, they can use that to recover the main one. Also, if the email supports some strong two factor (authenticator for example), then make sure you add that.

    Two-factor is the best way to protect your account, it is based on something you have, that an attacker can't have. They can't guess a number that changes every 30 seconds like with authenticators.

    These apps are available on every phone, and on both Mac and PC desktops.

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    Yes, the same thing happened to me this morning (about 3 hrs ago). I was on Gland and got booted because it said I logged onto Wayfinder. I was able to log back in right away though. My password is a random jumble of letters, upper and lower case, and special characters. It won't be guessed and unlikely to be brute forced. The only person who knows it is my husband, and he was nowhere near a computer at the time. I'm actually a little relieved to hear it's happened to others, I think maybe it was just a lag-related glitch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluebird6757 View Post
    I'm actually a little relieved to hear it's happened to others, I think maybe it was just a lag-related glitch.
    Same here! Thanks for posting!
    My take on "the grind": https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthrea...=1#post6220972

    Ordinary humans have inhibitions that serve as a buffer against what we know is bad behavior.
    However, some people, by blaming others for their own bad behavior, develop a thought pattern that allows them to override self-control in order to achieve a selfish end.
    - My opinion on exploiters and cheaters blaming SSG for unfair punishment.

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