Adventures in Theorycrafting: Messing with Domains

[unbongwah]

Because someone needs to be the keeper of flavor builds so it might as well be me.

Air: cleric 17 / pal 3
Animal: Shadowbuckler (elf cleric 11 / ftr 6 / bard 3)
Chaos:
Death: Zombie Cleric (self-explanatory)
Destruction: War Shaman (raging HO battlecleric)
Earth:
Fire: Tiny Tina (DG fire+light caster)
Good:
Healing:
Knowledge:
Law:
Luck: Vish the Imploder
Magic:
Protection: Aasimar Angel (high-survivability healbot), Cleric Tank
Strength: Demi God (HO Kensei), Silvanus Wargod (PDK maul build), Divine Swashbuckler (cleric 11 / ftr 6 / bard 3)
Sun:
Trickery: Vish the Reaper (AA Enchanter)
War: F2P Battlecleric, Bird Man (req's Falconry), Silvanus Warpriest (PDK maul build), Wa Bam (staff build), Trapper Priest, Tempest Warpriest
Water: Lifeguard (Swim cleric)

[Captain_Wizbang]

Im still thinking Animal domain, druid/fvs.
I Just have zero clue about anything past that thought.

[unbongwah]

Im still thinking Animal domain, druid/fvs.

Domains are cleric-only.

[Enoach]

This life I'm mixing Death Domain with Dark Emissary - This has increased the number of Negative energy SLA's available and the bonus to turning with my gear + PL is allowing me to be effective in Reaper undead quests that are base 1 to 2 levels over my current level - Basically I have max gear possible as well as 3x Cleric PL and am a Half-Elf

Next Life I plan on going with the Half-Elf Dragonmark House Lyrandar - (Gust of wind, electric loop and lightning storm) with the Air Domain. I'm thinking going mostly Radiant Servant, but will most likely also dip into the Light Emissary for some additional light spell SLA's and spell power.

I still have other races for ER so likely will be playing around with a different Domain each life .

[ValariusK]

Magic domain is bugged. You're supposed to get 2xlevel USP when you do a turn undead along with the rest of the party. Instead everyone only gets 1xUSP.

I bet the Level 14 ability is similarly bugged.

[Xyfiel]

Working on a strength domain build but it uses Visanti capstone so I can't share all of it. Should be public soon though.

11C/6W/3F CN
DragonBorn
20 str
7dex
14con
8int
8wis
19cha

My draft shows minimum of 108 str, 116 with yugo/long lasting/tensers scroll, 120+ turn boost. I need to check Confront any Foe counts for the turn boost.
Vampire for immunities and harm. Also get petrification and knock down immunity.
Fleshy with heal as needed or heal others whenever.
Heavy armor, 245 prr, 150 mrr, Defender +20% hps
Very high reflex due to ridiculous strength. Will be in the 120-130 range. Assuming they fixed it...
Dagger SWF, 130 dc dire charge, 100+ melee power, 50+ doublestrike up to 100 with Zeal, other damage stuff(NDA)
PA, Cleave, Greater Cleave, SWF>PSWF, Imp Crit, Completionist, Extend, Quicken, Overwhelming Crit, Blinding Speed, Epic Reflexes, Precision(at 24 after dex tomes), Dire, Astral, one of Brutal Throw/Child of Vol/Stunning Blow
Crusader, boosts, tactics, sense weakness, echoes LD, strength
44 Visanti, 11 PM, 9 Kensai, 13 Def, 3 War

[Captain_Wizbang]

Domains are cleric-only.

thanks, didn't catch that. Needed Moar caffine.









Ive already started looking at a cleric/druid in the planner, so far, no matter which way I went w/ it nothing great came out of it.

I'll be watching your posts though.

[phillymiket]

Right now I'm thinking that DPS isn't going to approach an Arcane even with domains (maybe I'm wrong there).
Also, a Cleric is going to need to heal the party again so agro might be bad news.
Therefore, I'd like to first try a max Charisma Trickery Caster.
Pop of a burst to buff up your Cha with the 20 second boost and then Charm the mobs senseless with the SLA.
The DC should be able to get pretty high on that build at least for those 20 seconds.
I'm about 3 or 4 days from being able to TR so if anyone tries that or sees an obvious flaw in the plan, I'd love if they posted their thoughts
Edit - just LRed a Sun Elf Cleric to try this. Seems like lots of free meta SLAs of a wide variety, some heal, some charm, some pew pew.
Immediate first thought, I wish some AP DC boosts could help enchantment rather than just Necro and Evocation.

[guzzlr]

No idea what to call the build so I went with a mix of bard and war...Ward. Pretty lame actually, but Swashcleric sounds like somebody who does laundry.

Anyway, I am fascinated by what may come out of a Holy Sword Swashbuckler. There are some really impressive threat ranged/multipliers that I just want to see happen. Add in that this is something that has never been in game before (to my knowledge) and I have wanted to do a bard pally for ages.

You number crunchers out there have a breakdown of what the threat and multiplier would actually look like on some of the end game swash weapons?

I happen to have a LR20 and a 22nd level druid sitting around doing nothing. Maybe I will (re)build this creature today...

[unbongwah]

Anyway, I am fascinated by what may come out of a Holy Sword Swashbuckler.

Holy Sword won't stack with Swashbuckling crit bonuses; they're all competence bonuses. Unless you're talking specifically about the weapons which only gain crit range from Swashbuckling like handaxes?

[guzzlr]

Holy Sword won't stack with Swashbuckling crit bonuses; they're all competence bonuses. Unless you're talking specifically about the weapons which only gain crit range from Swashbuckling like handaxes?

Hand axes were what I was specifically thinking about, yes. But, thanks for pointing out the stacking issues, it prevented one of those "oh, duh" moments.

[unbongwah]

Builder keeps crashing on me so this is just a quick outline for now. WARNING: flavor build is flavor.

Concept: Raging battlecleric
Race: half-orc
Class split: cleric 14 / barb 6
Deity & Domain: Onatar / Destruction for spellcasting while Raged and the (modest) melee-boosting abilities
Stats: STR & CHA primary, CON secondary, rest are dump stats (use gear etc. for WIS)
Feats: Power Atk (1), Cleave (3), Gt Cleave (6), IC:Slash or Blunt (9), Quicken (12), THF (15), ITHF (18), GTHF (21), OC (24), PTHF (26), Emp Heal (27), PTWF (28), Dire Charge or Deific Warding (29), Stunning Blow or Epic DR (30), Scion of Arborea (30)

Enhancements: at least 14 APs in FB for Supreme Cleave and 4 APs in WP for Divine Might. This is primarily intended to be a melee / support toon, not a healer; so I was think 37 FB (tier 5s) / 23 WP (Ameliorating Strike + Blur) / 17 HO (Brutality) / 3 Ravager (barb Power Atk). But this is still a work-in-progress.
Destiny: Dreadnought or Crusader
Weapons: any 2H is possible, but for maximum lulz use greatclubs

EDIT: quick build template

HO War Shaman
14/6 Cleric/Barbarian
True Neutral Half-Orc


Level Order

1. Barbarian       6. Barbarian      11. Barbarian      16. Cleric
2. Barbarian       7. Cleric         12. Barbarian      17. Cleric
3. Cleric          8. Cleric         13. Cleric         18. Cleric
4. Cleric          9. Cleric         14. Cleric         19. Cleric
5. Barbarian      10. Cleric         15. Cleric         20. Cleric


Stats
               36pt     Tome     Level Up
               ----     ----     --------
Strength        19       +3       4: STR
Dexterity        8       +3       8: STR
Constitution    16       +3      12: STR
Intelligence     9       +3      16: STR
Wisdom           8       +3      20: STR
Charisma        14       +3      24: STR
                                 28: STR

Skills
          B  B  C  C  B  B  C  C  C  C  B  B  C  C  C  C  C  C  C  C
          1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20
         ------------------------------------------------------------
Heal      1     2  2        2  2  2  2     2  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  23
Intim     4  1        3  1              5  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  23
Jump         2        1  1                                             4
Balance   2              1                                             3
Tumble    1                                                            1
         ------------------------------------------------------------
         12  3  2  2  4  4  2  2  2  2  5  5  3  3  3  3  3  3  3  3


Feats (Errors)

 1        : Power Attack
 3        : Cleave
 6        : Great Cleave
 9        : Improved Critical: Slashing
12        : Quicken Spell
15        : Two Handed Fighting
18        : Improved Two Handed Fighting
21 Epic   : Greater Two Handed Fighting
24 Epic   : Empower Healing Spell
26 Destiny: Perfect Two Handed Fighting
27 Epic   : Overwhelming Critical
28 Destiny: Perfect Two Weapon Fighting
29 Destiny: Dire Charge OR Deific Warding
30 Epic   : Epic Damage Reduction OR Stunning Blow
30 Legend : Scion of: Arborea

 4 Cleric : Destruction Domain

 3 Deity  : Follower of: Onatar
10 Deity  : Onatar's Forge


Enhancements (80 AP)

Frenzied Berserker (37 AP)
Die Hard, Frenzied Toughness, Frenzy
Extra Rage III, Power Rage III
Angry Arms III, Blood Tribute III, Extra Action Boost III, Sprint Boost III
Mad Munitions III, Supreme Cleave III
(none)
Focus Wide, Focused Wrath II, Raging Blows

Half-Orc (21 AP)
Orcish Fury, Orcish Strength
Orcish Weapon Training
Lock Bash, Orcish Weapon Training, Orcish Rage
Improved Power Attack III, Orcish Weapon Training
Brutality, Orcish Weapon Training, Power Rage III

Ravager (18 AP)
Furious Rage, Pain Touch, Demoralizing Success
Do You Like Pain? III, Barbarian Power Attack III, Hardy Rage III
I Like Pain III, Melee Power Boost III

Warpriest (4 AP)
Smite Foe
Divine Might III


Destiny (24 AP)

Legendary Dreadnought
Legendary Tactics III, Extra Action Boost III
Momentum Swing III, Imp. Power Attack
Lay Waste, Haste Boost III
(none)
Advancing Blows, Devastating Critical
Master's Blitz, Headman's Chop

Twists of Fate (35 fate points)
Sense Weakness (Tier 4 Fury)
Sacred Ground (Tier 3 Crusader)
Consecration (Tier 2 Crusader)
Hail of Blows (Tier 2 Flowers)

I wanted to max Heal and Intim (for Lock Bash), hence the pts into INT. IIUC, Destruction's spellcasting-while-raged effect only applies to cleric spells, not ED SLAs, which is why I didn't twist Cocoon.

[SocratesBastardSon]

Because someone needs to be the keeper of flavor builds so it might as well be me.

I like it: Unbongwah the Keeper of Flavors! aka Flavor Flav, aka Masterbat..., er, Masterflavor!

[adrian69]

Have a templet here for a Horc Kensei WarPriest that uses strength domain for str to reflex saves and no stat penalty, as well as AmStrike, Tenecious Defense, CCW, DW/ FoM, and all that stuff. SWF or THF, whichever player prefers.

https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthrea...=1#post6017916

[hombokai]

No idea what to call the build so I went with a mix of bard and war...Ward. Pretty lame actually, but Swashcleric sounds like somebody who does laundry.

Anyway, I am fascinated by what may come out of a Holy Sword Swashbuckler. There are some really impressive threat ranged/multipliers that I just want to see happen. Add in that this is something that has never been in game before (to my knowledge) and I have wanted to do a bard pally for ages.

You number crunchers out there have a breakdown of what the threat and multiplier would actually look like on some of the end game swash weapons?

I happen to have a LR20 and a 22nd level druid sitting around doing nothing. Maybe I will (re)build this creature today...

Call him Burt? Or how about Robin the Boy Wonder? I'll slink away now.

[edrein]

Personally, I'm considering a 14 cleric/6 sorcerer white dragonborn. With racial AP (and the additional +1ap from Aasimar), you'll be able to cover most of the dragon breath stuff for free. Dragonbreath will still be awful but it's more supplemental DPS as well as caster levels towards your sorc SLAs. It'll also have the advantage of doing low SP sla rotations for decent dps even in reaper, while having the ultimate benefit of using POSITIVE SPELLPOWER for it's actual damage purposes. Which means you don't have to actually slot much beyond positive spellpower, positive and ice lore, and you're set. Ultimately you'll be a charisma build if you go this route and will lose out on the traditional instakills of a cleric from going wisdom DC, you'll make this up in having a great Glacial Wrath DC and having plenty of turn charges for positive bursts. However, you'll be able to make great use out of Glacial Wrath, Energy Burst, and Dragon Breath. Really, you should play this in draconic at all times.


So a small AP breakdown without getting deep into the build itself (as this is mostly theorycraft at this point):

You'll want atleast 12AP in dragonborn to pick up the breath attack and most importantly Draconic Knowledge to bump up your caster level on cold spells. As of right now; 10 of that AP will/can be free due to racial past lives, and 11 once Aasimar drops. You might want to spend the additional 3 AP to bump the DC on your breath depending on the ED you run in, for me the plan is to run Draconic for the extra breath attack so it's worthwhile. You can run up to 20AP in dragonborn (remember 10-11 of this will be free AP), and grab all of their associated bonuses for this build.

Obviously you want to grab the 3 Water Savant cores for +3 caster levels to your SLAs (this will be a total of +4, which means in heroics your Frost Lance sadly will be capped at CL 10 and won't have the third ray until epics) for a total of 10AP to start you off. Depending on your personal preference of dealing more damage or healing more, this is where the build will fork off the most. If you're going for a damage focus you're going to drop 33-35AP here for Frost Lance SLA and Awaken Weakness Cold. Remember however that your lance damage isn't going to take off until epic levels and can still be saved against.

In the same regard you obviously want the 3 Radiant Servant cores so that you get Positive Burst. After all this build will be heavy on the charisma if you want to make any use out of your dragonbreath and have decent saves on your SLAs. The fourth core is up to you, although personally I might leave this off as it mostly requires a feat slot locked into Empower Healing. I definitely would argue taking all of the various turn bonuses and making sure you take the tree up to 23AP for Endless Turning. Like I stated in the Water Savant portion; this is where things change. You could drop your DPS focus here and instead grab Positive Energy Aura for a T5. But I doubt anyone running this build in epic or reaper will want to do that.

Alright; so if you're still with me and depending on your build choices so far. Going the DPS route you'll still have about 12AP to spare, 13 if/when Aasimar drop. I suggest dipping into DD and taking Dark Disciples Chill Touch for CC against undead. (That's really it's only use) Definitely pick up Divine Vitality if you're aiming to be a team player or slap some points in EK for self defensive buffs.

[Vish]

Hey U,
I nominate my priest of the silver flame
For trickery domain

It's a max wis cleric with enchant DCs through the roof
It's also an archer
Best cc in the game

Anyways,
It's flavor as well,
Because I was looking over cleric enchant spell
Nothing at 8 and 9
So why spec a cleric for enchant?
For greater command?
When you can go evoc and nuke instead?
Seems weak choice.
But it hand in hand for paralyzer build
Tested in reaper 10
On just a 36 pt build

Anyways,
Consider it
Thx
Vish

[Hulktor]

I. Know you are a dwarf guy....havê u considered going WF:
Reasons:

1-Lord of Blades deity (g. Sword as a favored weapon) since u seem to b planning going 2H
2- No fatigue
3-heal AMPS and racial could improve the heal reduction

[edrein]

I. Know you are a dwarf guy....havê u considered going WF:
Reasons:

1-Lord of Blades deity (g. Sword as a favored weapon) since u seem to b planning going 2H
2- No fatigue
3-heal AMPS and racial could improve the heal reduction

I'd argue as a deity Lord of Blades greatly favors running paladins over cleric. Until we see a warpriest revamp of any sort; none of the domains create enough synergy both pure or multiclass for a decent greatsword build. Atleast one that will mesh with warforged and not punish them too greatly for the healing reduction (especially when we consider reaper content.)

[Hulktor]

I'd argue as a deity Lord of Blades greatly favors running paladins over cleric. Until we see a warpriest revamp of any sort; none of the domains create enough synergy both pure or multiclass for a decent greatsword build. Atleast one that will mesh with warforged and not punish them too greatly for the healing reduction (especially when we consider reaper content.)

I just did a cleric domain of war worked great with holy sword + weapon attachment...I agree is punishing to have average heals...the point is there ll b new kinds of clerics more supportive than a propper healbot and a bit weaker than some melee builds (cuz a healing class that can deal as much damage as other melee dont make any sense...

Those changes bring roles to the table that ppl not used to have in party...so im spamming turn undead for buff group (not litteraly turn any undead )
I can heal but i ll not b a main healer...

So far im enjoying the new changes....guess we ll b seeing more clerics...they were getting dust in the corner