Half-Orc Pure Barbarian Build THF (Help Needed)

[Issac_Frost]

So I found this:

https://lordofantics.wordpress.com/2...rbarian-build/

And its a good guideline but for a human barbarian. I'm pretty new to this game. And I cannot, for the life of me, find an optimized Half Orc Build with the new Enhancements. As such I'm at a loss as to how to build him. So I need help or possibly a thread with a good solid build. I can start as Level 7 and have remade several times trying to get it right. And I'm failing miserably. I also trying to figure a good leveling guide but again nothing on this. Help?

Thank you and much appreciated.

[Grailhawk]

So I found this:

https://lordofantics.wordpress.com/2...rbarian-build/

And its a good guideline but for a human barbarian. I'm pretty new to this game. And I cannot, for the life of me, find an optimized Half Orc Build with the new Enhancements. As such I'm at a loss as to how to build him. So I need help or possibly a thread with a good solid build. I can start as Level 7 and have remade several times trying to get it right. And I'm failing miserably. I also trying to figure a good leveling guide but again nothing on this. Help?

Thank you and much appreciated.

Barbarian is petty easy.

Max STR and get a hight CON (16+).

Take Power Attack, Cleave, Great Cleave, Improved Critical, THF, ITHF, and GTHF (or which ever combat style you prefer).

Spend 41 AP in Frenzied Berserk for the capstone with out taking any tier 5's, put ~36 AP in Ravager taking Core 18, Critical Rage, and Blood Strength. There are a few other options for AP but this is the standard one.

Race is not really a meaningful choice right now, other then to say you didn't take human which is the only good choice. Human offers for 1 AP +20% Damage boost and an extra feet for free, to put this another way if you're not human your not optimal.

[Issac_Frost]

Barbarian is petty easy.

Max STR and get a hight CON (16+).

Take Power Attack, Cleave, Great Cleave, Improved Critical, THF, ITHF, and GTHF (or which ever combat style you prefer).

Spend 41 AP in Frenzied Berserk for the capstone with out taking any tier 5's, put ~36 AP in Ravager taking Core 18, Critical Rage, and Blood Strength. There are a few other options for AP but this is the standard one.

Race is not really a meaningful choice right now, other then to say you didn't take human which is the only good choice. Human offers for 1 AP +20% Damage boost and an extra feet for free, to put this another way if you're not human your not optimal.

I actually rolled a human one in case I didn't find anything else to go on Well guess I'll read that build I found and work on my Human Barbarian.

[icekinslayer]

I actually rolled a human one in case I didn't find anything else to go on

Here's some info for you, and fwiw, half orc barb's are really awesome, and by no means are human barbs the 'only optimal barbarian'

http://ddowiki.com/page/Half-Orc <--check out the racial enhancements for hitting with 2-handed melee weapons...

http://ddowiki.com/page/Frenzied_Berserker_enhancements <--frenzied berserker has a lot to offer in terms of strength and con bonuses via rages

http://ddowiki.com/page/Occult_Slayer_enhancements <--occult slayer is the 'must kill all magic users' tree, some really good stuff in here.

http://ddowiki.com/page/Ravager_enhancements <--ravager and frenzied berserker both have some good strength and con bonuses, as well as some good enemy debuffing attacks.

So yeah, strength, con, and if you're crazy like me, a little charisma so you can UMD teleport, raise dead, restoration, and heal scrolls. (quite hard to get a usable UMD on a half orc because of the charisma penalty, but it can be done.)

[Grailhawk]

Here's some info for you, and fwiw, half orc barb's are really awesome, and by no means are human barbs the 'only optimal barbarian'

Show me any other race that with 1AP spend can give you a +20% boost to damage (PDK is human don't be a smart ass). Hell outside of Bladforged and Half-Elf show me any other race that can give you +20% boost to damage with x AP spent?

This isn't just for Barbarian human is the only optimal choice for 98% of melee builds.

[icekinslayer]

Show me any other race that with 1AP spend can give you a +20% boost to damage (PDK is human don't be a smart ass). Hell outside of Bladforged and Half-Elf show me any other race that can give you +20% boost to damage with x AP spent?

This isn't just for Barbarian human is the only optimal choice for 98% of melee builds.

some 30 second clickies don't make or break any build, don't be silly. warforged/bladeforged are awesome barbarians, dwarves are awesome barbarians, and so are humans/pdk. don't act so butthurt over someone else's build choices, you're not paying for them to play, so it's really kind of stupid to insist that one race is the only race to play for any melee build.

[Grailhawk]

some 30 second clickies don't make or break any build, don't be silly. warforged/bladeforged are awesome barbarians, dwarves are awesome barbarians, and so are humans/pdk. don't act so butthurt over someone else's build choices, you're not paying for them to play, so it's really kind of stupid to insist that one race is the only race to play for any melee build.

That clicky has 100% uptime for the vast majority of builds, you're trying to dismiss I don't know if that's ignorance or just you trying to make your point either way your wrong, when talking about the optimal choice.

I'm not butthurt at all. I'm stating a mathematical fact that for an optimal (this means best, there is only one best) build Barbarian human the best racial choice.

There are other good/fine choices but there's only one optimal choice. Op asked for optimal.

[Issac_Frost]

It's okay guys. This thread is not to argue. Also I asked for optimal with Half-Orc but I can play both. I found a good guide for Half-Orc just need the enhancements updated that's all.

[Hobgoblin]

Show me any other race that with 1AP spend can give you a +20% boost to damage (PDK is human don't be a smart ass). Hell outside of Bladforged and Half-Elf show me any other race that can give you +20% boost to damage with x AP spent?

This isn't just for Barbarian human is the only optimal choice for 98% of melee builds.

challenge accepted!

You have a drow that you dumped str on. using shortswords

you deal an average of 4 damage a hit.

you take the enhancement xendrick weapons training for 1 damage.

that is a 25% increase.

boom i just did it!





ok that was in no way serious and if you are only doing 4 damage a hit you have other issues, but just to mess with you.

[Hobgoblin]

It's okay guys. This thread is not to argue. Also I asked for optimal with Half-Orc but I can play both. I found a good guide for Half-Orc just need the enhancements updated that's all.

basically it was covered earlier in the thread.

you want the capstone from fb. so thats 41 points in there

you want the tier 5 from ravager so thats 33 to 37 points i like 36

so you are looking at 77 points in those 2 trees

so from there you can go racial and get +1 str and +2 situationally that doesn't stack with rage, or go into occult slayer and take ear smash to deal with annoying casters.

[sithhound]

That clicky has 100% uptime

How do you get 100% uptime from a 20 sec. action boost? Legitimate question, not being argumentative. How? What do you get, 6 uses with the ship buff? So 120 sec., do you really shrine every 2 minutes, or am I missing something here?

[Hobgoblin]

How do you get 100% uptime from a 20 sec. action boost? Legitimate question, not being argumentative. How? What do you get, 6 uses with the ship buff? So 120 sec., do you really shrine every 2 minutes, or am I missing something here?

8 with dread i think 10 with items and not counting tf draconic reinvigoration

[sithhound]

8 with dread i think 10 with items and not counting tf draconic reinvigoration

Ahh, I forgot about draconic reinvigoration (I hate deathwyrm lol). I suppose that's what Grail was referring to. However, I think it's safe to assume OP doesn't have access to T3 TF though, as he was asking for advice on a first life toon.

OP: horcs make awesome barbs. Max strength or con, put rest of points into the other. Follow the above advice on AP spread. Kill s#!t and have fun.

[zwiebelring]

When my main has finally reached his final build (doing a lot of fine tuning at the moment) I will take care of my barbarian. Currently it is an outdated 18 Bar/ 2 Ftr build. Also Half Orc, because back then STR score at max. was guaranteed high dps.
I won't choose HOrc anymore.

I chose Human, Dwarf or even Elf over it any day. Racial enhancements are expensive and human offers better general bonuses. Elf got a very good defense dwarf is just great as CON build and ravager.

The new score to maximize is melee power, ability seems only second in priority. So, amount of feats available mean higher melee power options. The fighting style is next. THF does not seem high dps anymore. I see mostly TWF + dwarf axe + ravager rocking LE content (of course multi TRs but on LE that's expected).

I expect TWF Bar as human to be better dps than THF HOrc. Focus on crit. range + multiplier and melee power. Highest STR only with tactical DC but is stunning blow even madatory any longer? I don't see many stunners besides monks. Could be an indication.

All in all I see HOrc lackluster in survivability for barbarians and the racial bonuses are probably more useful for hybrid and multiclass builds. Human and dwarf have better options. Elf with dragonmark gives awesome Displacement.

[Issac_Frost]

When my main has finally reached his final build (doing a lot of fine tuning at the moment) I will take care of my barbarian. Currently it is an outdated 18 Bar/ 2 Ftr build. Also Half Orc, because back then STR score at max. was guaranteed high dps.
I won't choose HOrc anymore.

I chose Human, Dwarf or even Elf over it any day. Racial enhancements are expensive and human offers better general bonuses. Elf got a very good defense dwarf is just great as CON build and ravager.

The new score to maximize is melee power, ability seems only second in priority. So, amount of feats available mean higher melee power options. The fighting style is next. THF does not seem high dps anymore. I see mostly TWF + dwarf axe + ravager rocking LE content (of course multi TRs but on LE that's expected).

I expect TWF Bar as human to be better dps than THF HOrc. Focus on crit. range + multiplier and melee power. Highest STR only with tactical DC but is stunning blow even madatory any longer? I don't see many stunners besides monks. Could be an indication.

All in all I see HOrc lackluster in survivability for barbarians and the racial bonuses are probably more useful for hybrid and multiclass builds. Human and dwarf have better options. Elf with dragonmark gives awesome Displacement.

O.O

Sir? I'm a total newbie. I just want to have fun. Sure I can optimize it to human with a reincarnation or whatnot. But most of that stuff is if I even go that far. Plus you are arguing in a thread over something that may or may not be fact. Could be you are stating fact or not. But I deal with that when I get (if I get that far into it)

Yes I know the nuances of optimizing for a PnP DnD game. But then again you have forum posts that give you usable handbooks with color codes to avoid traps xD

Just maybe Half-Orc is a trap. I'll find out and change it. Don't worry so much about it.

[Alisonique]

Can I just add my 2d worth?
Horcs make super barbs as do both dwarves and warforged.
All allow you to have huge fun hitting things hard fast and often.
Dont worry about min/max deals if Horc is what you fancy
go for it and you wont be disappointed. Those are the three races
that I have run as barbarians and they all work fine. Having said
that , I am sure that you can make a fun barb from any race ,
Geoff seems to have funn with halfling barbs and human ones
seem to fare pretty well too. Enjoy the game

[AnEvenNewerNoob]

some 30 second clickies don't make or break any build, don't be silly. warforged/bladeforged are awesome barbarians, dwarves are awesome barbarians, and so are humans/pdk. don't act so butthurt over someone else's build choices, you're not paying for them to play, so it's really kind of stupid to insist that one race is the only race to play for any melee build.

I've got a WF barb.....and he's pretty badass!

(Disclaimer: I'm still tring him into a human next life! )

[Grailhawk]

How do you get 100% uptime from a 20 sec. action boost? Legitimate question, not being argumentative. How? What do you get, 6 uses with the ship buff? So 120 sec., do you really shrine every 2 minutes, or am I missing something here?

Action Hero from LD to make uptime = cooldown, +3 more action boosts from LD and then +3 more from class since we are talking barbarian. IMO Action Hero is almost better then Blitz as a selling point for LD...

You can also swap in some use the items that give you extra action boost as an effect as swap items (once you use up the 2 boots swap to something better) and you can exploit Draconic Rejuvenation weapons (especially on a SWF or TWF).

I chose Human, Dwarf or even Elf over it any day. Racial enhancements are expensive and human offers better general bonuses. Elf got a very good defense dwarf is just great as CON build and ravager.

I agree all three are better choices then Horc but. Displacement can be duplicated with clickies (which you can get more charges of then the dragonmark offers) makes elf only really good to someone without the clickies and subpar once you have the clickies.

Dwarf < Human con based TWA is kind of a trap (hate saying that i really do) a Human who goes con based will maybe be 8-12 points of damage/to-hit behind a dwarf however human damage boost more then makes up for that. The hit point totals will be around 100 different (assuming the dwarf goes all out into getting every HP advantage he can). And that's before you take into account the Dwarf is basically wasting ~17Ap in his racial tree that the human has put into class trees. (I'm bringing this up because the superiority of human to other races bothers me a lot right now, not because I'm trying to discredit or disagree with you.)

I expect TWF Bar as human to be better dps than THF HOrc. Focus on crit. range + multiplier and melee power. Highest STR only with tactical DC but is stunning blow even madatory any longer? I don't see many stunners besides monks. Could be an indication.

I agree, IMO if you want tactics/stunning option Dire Charge is where you look not stunning blow.

Dont worry about min/max deals if Horc is what you fancy go for it and you wont be disappointed.

Right human is the min/max choice, you don't have to min max and on a barbarian it wont make or brake you.

[unbongwah]

So to move away from the max-DPS discussions and actually address the OP's request for a HO barb, here's a build I'm planning to use for my HO:

Harper Horcbarian
Barbarian 20
True Neutral Half-Orc


Stats
               32pt     34pt     36pt     Tome     Level Up
               ----     ----     ----     ----     --------
Strength        20       20       20       +2       4: STR
Dexterity        8        8        8       +2       8: STR
Constitution    14       15       16       +2      12: STR
Intelligence    14       14       14       +2      16: STR
Wisdom           8        8        8       +2      20: STR
Charisma         6        6        6       +2      24: STR
                                                   28: STR

Feats

 1        : Power Attack
 3        : Cleave
 6        : Great Cleave
 9        : Improved Critical: Slashing
12        : Two Handed Fighting
15        : Improved Two Handed Fighting
18        : Greater Two Handed Fighting
21 Epic   : Overwhelming Critical
24 Epic   : Stunning Blow
26 Destiny: Perfect Two Handed Fighting
27 Epic   : Epic Damage Reduction OR Insightful Reflexes
28 Destiny: Perfect Two Weapon Fighting OR Elusive Target
29 Destiny: Dire Charge
30 Epic   : Blinding Speed
30 Legend : Scion of: Arborea OR Plane of Earth


Enhancements (80 AP)

Ravager (41 AP)

Furious Rage, Pain Touch, Demoralizing Success, Pain Touch II, Subsiding Fury, Visage of Terror
Do You Like Pain? III, Barbarian Power Attack III
I Like Pain III, Cruel Cut III, Melee Power Boost III
Festering Wound III, Strength
I Hit Back! III, Dismember III
Blood Strength, Bully I, Uncanny Balance, Critical Rage II

Half-Orc (18 AP)

Orcish Fury, Orcish Strength, Orcish Fury II, Orcish Strength II
Orcish Weapon Training
Orcish Weapon Training
Great Weapon Aptitude III, Orcish Weapon Training
Brutality, Orcish Weapon Training

Frenzied Berserker (14 AP)

Die Hard, Frenzied Toughness, Frenzy
Extra Rage I, Power Rage II
Extra Action Boost III
Supreme Cleave III

Harper Agent (7 AP)

Agent of Good I
Harper Enchantment, Traveler's Toughness II
Know the Angles II

Leveling Guide

Rav0 Furious Rage; Rav1 Barbarian Power Attack I, II, III
FB0 Die Hard; FB1 Power Rage I
FB1 Power Rage II; FB0 Frenzied Toughness; FB1 Extra Rage I; FB2 Extra Action Boost I
FB2 Extra Action Boost II, III; FB3 Supreme Cleave I, II
FB3 Supreme Cleave III; Rav1 Do You Like Pain? I; Rav0 Pain Touch; Rav2 I Like Pain I
FB0 Frenzy; Rav2 Melee Power Boost I, II, III
Rav0 Demoralizing Success; Rav1 Do You Like Pain? II; Rav2 I Like Pain II; Rav1 Do You Like Pain? III
Rav2 I Like Pain III; Rav3 Strength; Rav2 Cruel Cut I
Rav2 Cruel Cut II, III; Rav3 Festering Wound I, II
Rav3 Festering Wound III; Rav4 I Hit Back! I, II, III
Rav4 Dismember I, II, III; (Bank 1 AP)
Rav0 Pain Touch II; Rav5 Blood Strength; Rav5 Critical Rage I
Rav5 Critical Rage II; Rav5 Uncanny Balance
Rav5 Bully I; Orc0 Orcish Fury; Orc1 Orcish Weapon Training
Orc0 Orcish Strength; Orc2 Orcish Weapon Training
Orc0 Orcish Fury II; Orc0 Orcish Strength II
Orc3 Orcish Weapon Training; Orc3 Great Weapon Aptitude I, II, III
Rav0 Subsiding Fury; Orc4 Orcish Weapon Training; Orc4 Brutality
Hrp0 Agent of Good I; Hrp1 Harper Enchantment; Hrp1 Traveler's Toughness I
Rav0 Visage of Terror; Hrp1 Traveler's Toughness II; Hrp2 Know the Angles I, II


Destiny (24 AP)

Legendary Dreadnought

Legendary Tactics III, Extra Action Boost III, Strength
Momentum Swing III, Imp. Power Attack
Lay Waste
Anvil of Thunder
Advancing Blows, Devastating Critical
Master's Blitz, Headman's Chop

Twists of Fate (36 fate points)

Grim Precision (Tier 3 Shadowdancer)
Sacred Ground (Tier 3 Crusader)
Consecration (Tier 2 Crusader)
Hail of Blows (Tier 2 Flowers)
Primal Scream (Tier 1 Fury)

Basically, I trade the higher burst DPS and extra feat from human and the higher DPS of Storm's Eye for higher Stunning Blow / Dire Charge DCs (thanks to higher STR + Know the Angles) and extra helpless DPS from Brutality + Bully (which AFAIK stack). [If I didn't have Harper, I'd put more APs into FB for Angry Arms + Mad Munitions + Frenzied Toughness.] This is specced for greataxes b/c I still have a Raider's box on this toon so I plan to claim a Cleaver; converting to mauls instead is easy (trade IC:Slash for Blunt and Headman's Chop for Pulverizer).

[Issac_Frost]

Thanks. Though I found a build

Also from Zoda's Zergbarian:

Non-humans have to drop a feat; if you don't have Completionist yet, that's the obvious choice. The other downside to non-human is losing the burst DPS from racial Dmg Boost + Ravager Melee Power boost. Other than that, it should be fine.

So its a -fact- that humans -are- the best thanks to an easily accessible 1 AP Action Boost. I smell this is broken as all hell because its too easy. But aside from that burst I can do Half-Orc and /still/ pull damage. The rest is just overkill, which is nice don't get me wrong. But not required unless you was on that mindset. I doubt I'm TR or all that good stuff. But I intend to play my Half-Orc and he is doing great.

Edit: I got the capstone (Eye Storm thingy) on the planner. Plus the enhancements on Ravager. But I shaved some points and grabbed the Rage duration. Not that it changes much. But for me that's still a useful effect.

Edit 2:Ooooh hah its -you-! Awesome! I'll give that build a try too.