this saga can only be played once

[Nyata]

okay not sure if this is working as intended or a bug, so I am dropping it here to try and find out.

after completing the new 3bc/sentinel saga and trying to pick it up again i get "this heroic CR4-7 saga can only be played once" and the option to close the window, nothing else. of course, if it is intended the info might have been in the dialog when I picked it up... but ... I admit I never really read those.

any information apreciated!

[Seikojin]

To me, it could make sense to make sagas a one time thing/tr. However, if they do, I hope they bump up the reward options.

Like if you do normal, you get old elite choices.

If you get hard, two picks from the elite choices.

If you do elite, you get 3 choices.

[Psiandron]

To me, it could make sense to make sagas a one time thing/tr. However, if they do, I hope they bump up the reward options.

Like if you do normal, you get old elite choices.

If you get hard, two picks from the elite choices.

If you do elite, you get 3 choices.

I like the cut of your jib, but no.

A friend and I banged through the 3BC heroic saga on elite right after they turned them back on. True Elite reward was just the same elite choice. Appeared to be a one shot per life deal. I assume it's WAI, but I would like confirmation please.

Also, is this true of all sagas now? Or, all heroic sagas?

Thanks in advance for any info.

[Ivan_Milic]

To me, it could make sense to make sagas a one time thing/tr. However, if they do, I hope they bump up the reward options.

Like if you do normal, you get old elite choices.

If you get hard, two picks from the elite choices.

If you do elite, you get 3 choices.

This would kill etr for me.

[Seikojin]

This would kill etr for me.

Only because you would farm turn ins for speed gaining to lvl 22? What is wrong with running quests?

[Cordovan]

Heroic Sagas are not meant to be completed more than once per life, and cannot be repeated. Epic Sagas do not have this restriction.

[oradafu]

Heroic Sagas are not meant to be completed more than once per life, and cannot be repeated. Epic Sagas do not have this restriction.

If players had been told this about sagas from the beginning, there would have been alot less enthusiasm about them.

In fact, we know this wasn't the original intent of sagas since they were suppose to be another source of rewards for players, since players were complaining about the lack of various ways of gain rewards, such as Guild Renown (which still hasn't had more sources to farm since Devs said it was on their to-do list way back before MOTU and the House C Challenges that became a loggerhead for many players).

[Seikojin]

Heroic Sagas are not meant to be completed more than once per life, and cannot be repeated. Epic Sagas do not have this restriction.

Ahhh, that explains something. Thanks!

[madmaxhunter]

Heroic Sagas are not meant to be completed more than once per life, and cannot be repeated. Epic Sagas do not have this restriction.

We could repeat heroic sagas before they were shut down. Sweet, so a few guilds farm it to death and hit unreasonable levels and the rest of us who would just run them a few times are left in the lurch. Great job Turbine.

BTW, when will I get the Saga turn-ins for the two lives I ran while it was down? You said we would get credit for them once it was back (yeah, this is sarcasm).

[Seikojin]

If players had been told this about sagas from the beginning, there would have been alot less enthusiasm about them.

In fact, we know this wasn't the original intent of sagas since they were suppose to be another source of rewards for players, since players were complaining about the lack of various ways of gain rewards, such as Guild Renown (which still hasn't had more sources to farm since Devs said it was on their to-do list way back before MOTU and the House C Challenges that became a loggerhead for many players).

And so they farmed very easy heroic sagas at level cap and milked free exp.

[Gremmlynn]

We could repeat heroic sagas before they were shut down. Sweet, so a few guilds farm it to death and hit unreasonable levels and the rest of us who would just run them a few times are left in the lurch. Great job Turbine.

I don't see the lurch anyone is left in.

What I see is that a few guilds may have farmed them to death and pointed out a rather obvious hole in the mechanic that was then filled.

[ForgettableNPC]

Well, in a way, it's somewhat fitting, considering (by my own experiences, not anyone else's) that whenever I completed the Gianthold Saga at-level, the XP earned from the quests + saga was enough to put me about lv 17, which is pretty much outside the range of Gianthold Quests (Based on Bravery Bonus system and yadda yadda yadda) and encouraged me to take on other quest chains like Harbinger of Madness Chain.

I guess what I'm trying to argue is that making Heroic Sagas unrepeatable encourages players to play additional content instead of repeating the same things over and over and over again.

I think that's what I'm trying to argue.

I think.

[Vellrad]

It sucks hard.

I liked to zerg through heroic shadowfail saga on epic reincarnation.

[madmaxhunter]

I don't see the lurch anyone is left in.

What I see is that a few guilds may have farmed them to death and pointed out a rather obvious hole in the mechanic that was then filled.

Simple, because it was a nice renown boost. For now I've given up on finding new guild mates. Why would anyone join a guild that is level 85 when they can join a mega guild that's level 185 and has every amenity?

[Psiandron]

Heroic Sagas are not meant to be completed more than once per life, and cannot be repeated. Epic Sagas do not have this restriction.

Cool, thanks for the response.

If it was that way before, I didn't notice. I figured it was WAI though. Makes sense really. No biggie.

[Nyata]

Heroic Sagas are not meant to be completed more than once per life, and cannot be repeated. Epic Sagas do not have this restriction.

a bit of a bummer, but thanks for the reply. I do see the point of restricting sagas cause the rewards are great and yes, people took advantage. guess some downgrade of rewards by level curve would do the same trick, but that would just be another thing to confuse people (I have no clue how often I explained to people already how bravery bronus actually works, for example... and sadly, most of them weren't newbies) and harder to code and make spoof proof.

[Nyata]

Simple, because it was a nice renown boost. For now I've given up on finding new guild mates. Why would anyone join a guild that is level 85 when they can join a mega guild that's level 185 and has every amenity?

on one server I play my guild is level45ish, on the other... I am not sure.. 80ish? few people in both, but we all know and talk to each other, and NOTHING would make me 'trade up' into a level185 guild. and yes, I'd still rather join a small 'family guild' than a giant one where people don't even know each other. But that's me

[bbqzor]

Heroic Sagas are not meant to be completed more than once per life, and cannot be repeated. Epic Sagas do not have this restriction.

A) This is the sort of change which should definitely make the patch notes... the impact to players is beyond obvious. At this point, its NECESSARY for you to review how you assemble and choose what information to release. I would suggest perhaps consulting your players over what they feel is important to know, because its drastically different from your current opinions. Your notes are insufficient, incorrect, and incomplete.

B) This is a terrible change. Id use stronger words, but forums. You get first time XP on each difficulty, you should get at least 3 completions per life. And that doesnt even touch the fact that the way quest xp repetition/decay/etc works now actively encourages you to repeat content provided its on different days. Just terrible. If your goal is to kill heroic even further, quest objective complete.

[Enoach]

Heroic Sagas are not meant to be completed more than once per life, and cannot be repeated. Epic Sagas do not have this restriction.

While I can understand part of the reasoning behind this, I will say that I am disappointed this had to be done this way instead of using a different solution that would scale the rewards on heroic based on the level of the character turning in the saga reward.

As has been mentioned there are a few of the Sagas that fit in for level 20 characters that for me during the saga shut down time has been a source of fun - such as the Stormhorns and Wheloon areas. Wish we could have had a better compromise.

[Qhualor]

Heroic Sagas are not meant to be completed more than once per life, and cannot be repeated. Epic Sagas do not have this restriction.

is there a reason for this or should we assume the worst why its only once per life?