Hi,
Ive been looking around for what class to make, im confused and down to a couple. A WF melee Radiant Servant, A Human Battle Bard, and A pure WF Arti. Just plain old straight builds just trying for the melee/caster kind of roll where im in armor, have a big ass axe, and self cast buffs and throw some AoE damage spells (or CC). And now that i might get Menace which comes with druid i will be adding that to list to, read nothing on them but heard they are a good melee/caster mix. However i came back to the Tukaw and Juggernaut builds, are they still good and functional now with U19? Please if anyone can help me.
-As a melee cleric i will have a low wisdom, thats gunna push my spell damage down right?
-If im bard, will Greater Shout or Otto's dance spells even land?
-Are there such thing as THF Arti's?
-Druids Good spell/melee? (Flame Blade version i think were i have flame blades and wall of fire?)
-Will Tukaw, or Juggernaut work as 1st life 28pt?
-Are expansions worth buying?
What i do have is 28pt, Arti, Monk, Drow, WF thats about it. Perfer to stay away from Tomes unless u can get on quests?
THANK YOU (Say all the **** you want, Im a noob and that guy who cant make a decison.)
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09-09-2013, 04:57 PM #1Community Member
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Assistance my dear Watson.
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09-09-2013, 05:03 PM #2Community Member
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Whether or not the expansions are worth buying is something purely based on opinion. They have a lot of fairly easy epic xp and a few shiney items (less so now with the current random lootgen), however personally I hate almost everything set in the forgotten realms and would tell you that they suck and not to waste your money on them. Others would disagree with me and tell you they are worthwhile for whatever reason.
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09-09-2013, 07:37 PM #3Community Member
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Even just for Epic Destinies? Cause i have Catacombs and Necro 1 for quests on original game, i think i like this game, just ive never experianced endgame, and i dont want to spend alot of money on something i wont use.
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09-10-2013, 04:06 PM #4Community Member
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09-10-2013, 05:46 PM #5Build Constructionist
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Low WIS on a cleric or FvS will reduce your DCs, which reduces how often most of your DPS spells land, which reduces your caster DPS. You have some light-based spells with no saves (Nimbus / Searing Light & Divine Punishment); and Blade Barrier can still be useful against low-Reflex mobs if you're lucky. Originally Posted by Darkstar1996
If you're a pure CHA-based bard who invested in DCs & Spell Pen - probably yes; if you're a STR-based melee-focused bard - probably not.-If im bard, will Greater Shout or Otto's dance spells even land?
Sure: the Juggernaut is functionally a THF Arty, even tho it doesn't take the feats. Or do you mean "1H+Runearm" build? Those are less common, but doable as well.-Are there such thing as THF Arti's?
Yes, depending on how you build it. Make your questions more specific, I'll give more specific advice.-Druids Good spell/melee? (Flame Blade version i think were i have flame blades and wall of fire?)
Not sure about Tukaw, but this is what a "low-rent" Juggie might look like:-Will Tukaw, or Juggernaut work as 1st life 28pt?
Naturally, downgrading to 28 pts means making sacrifices; I decided to drop pally splash & dump CHA. I also gave up Prec Shot + IPS; in exchange, I picked up the THF chain. I backloaded the tomes as much as possible; that meant I could delay the rgr splash since you really only need those feats for Manyshot.Code:Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 03.16.01 DDO Character Planner Home Page Level 21 Lawful Neutral Warforged Male (2 Monk \ 2 Ranger \ 16 Artificer \ 1 Epic) Hit Points: 265 Spell Points: 766 BAB: 15\15\20\25\25 Fortitude: 15 Reflex: 14 Will: 11 Starting Feat/Enhancement Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats (28 Point) (Level 1) (Level 21) Strength 16 23 Dexterity 15 17 Constitution 16 18 Intelligence 12 12 Wisdom 6 6 Charisma 6 6 Tomes Used +2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 17 +2 Tome of Strength used at level 20 +2 Tome of Constitution used at level 20 Starting Feat/Enhancement Base Skills Modified Skills Skills (Level 1) (Level 21) Balance 2 12 Bluff -2 0 Concentration 7 29 Diplomacy -2 0 Disable Device 5 26 Haggle -2 0 Heal -2 0 Hide 2 3 Intimidate -2 0 Jump 3 6 Listen -2 0 Move Silently 2 3 Open Lock 6 15 Perform n/a n/a Repair 1 3 Search 5 26 Spot -2 7 Swim 3 4 Tumble n/a 4 Use Magic Device 2 23 Level 1 (Artificer) Skill: Concentration (+4) Skill: Disable Device (+4) Skill: Open Lock (+4) Skill: Search (+4) Skill: Use Magic Device (+4) Feat: (Selected) Two Handed Fighting Level 2 (Monk) Skill: Balance (+4) Skill: Tumble (+1) Feat: (Monk Bonus) Power Attack Level 3 (Artificer) Skill: Disable Device (+2) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+2) Feat: (Selected) Cleave Level 4 (Artificer) Ability Raise: STR Skill: Concentration (+3) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Level 5 (Artificer) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+2) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Feat: (Artificer Bonus) Point Blank Shot Level 6 (Monk) Skill: Balance (+5) Feat: (Selected) Great Cleave Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness Level 7 (Artificer) Skill: Concentration (+2) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+2) Level 8 (Artificer) Ability Raise: STR Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+2) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Level 9 (Artificer) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Search (+2) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Handed Fighting Level 10 (Artificer) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Search (+2) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Feat: (Artificer Bonus) Quicken Spell Level 11 (Ranger) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Search (+4) Skill: Spot (+2) Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Undead Level 12 (Artificer) Ability Raise: STR Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+2) Skill: Use Magic Device (+2) Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons Level 13 (Artificer) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Search (+2) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Level 14 (Artificer) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Level 15 (Artificer) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Handed Fighting Feat: (Artificer Bonus) Improved Critical: Ranged Weapons Level 16 (Artificer) Ability Raise: STR Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Level 17 (Artificer) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Level 18 (Ranger) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+5) Feat: (Selected) Manyshot Level 19 (Artificer) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+2) Level 20 (Artificer) Ability Raise: STR Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+2) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) Feat: (Artificer Bonus) Mithral Body Level 21 (Artificer) Feat: (Selected) Overwhelming Critical
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09-11-2013, 04:24 AM #6Community Member
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Your DC won't be high enough, but some light spells don't have DC so it won't directly affect their damage. Originally Posted by Darkstar1996
With a low wis you will have few spellpoints though, so you're better saving them for heals/buffs.
Greater shout, otto resistible and otto sphere, no. Originally Posted by Darkstar1996
Otto irresistible, yes. Fascinate, yes.
THF Arti loses runearm, a meaningful source of damage on a pure arti. Battle engineer tree has enhancements for one-and-a-half-hand weapons, namely bastard swords and dwarven waraxes. With them you can land glancing blows with a runearm in your offhand, and they benefit from THF line. Originally Posted by Darkstar1996
However ability mod to damage is just 1x like other one handed weapons, not 1.5x like two handed ones.
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09-11-2013, 05:29 AM #7Community Member
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Wisdom doesn't affect sp as much as people believe... Originally Posted by mezzorco
It won't affect your spell damage, but you DC, as he said, will be low.
Otto's sphere? Depends on difficulty, how geared you are and exactly what your feats/destinies are.Greater shout, otto resistible and otto sphere, no.
Otto irresistible, yes. Fascinate, yes.
It is viable if fully geared.
...I believe you forgot to mention this.THF Arti loses runearm, a meaningful source of damage on a pure arti. Battle engineer tree has enhancements for one-and-a-half-hand weapons, namely bastard swords and dwarven waraxes. With them you can land glancing blows with a runearm in your offhand, and they benefit from THF line.
However ability mod to damage is just 1x like other one handed weapons, not 1.5x like two handed ones.
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So cleric and bard will be buy DC. While arti (jugg) will be fine. And ottos irresistable is single target right? Is jugg better than pure thf bard? Also does jugg use spells (blade barrier etc)
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Juggs buff and heal. That's about it in regards to spells. Originally Posted by Darkstar1996
Much better than a thf bard melee wise.
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How about melee caster druids? Cause I think I might buy druid. Originally Posted by Soulfurnace
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As melee jugg y do I need many shot n all that if I'm melee n is there specific 2h or any like greataxe now then greatsword later? Originally Posted by unbongwah
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A druid that uses both melee and casting? Are you talking about wis or str based? Originally Posted by Darkstar1996
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Idk. I just heard they make good hybrids. I'm gussing the one more melee less spells Originally Posted by Soulfurnace
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If it's str based, it's limited to using no save spells Originally Posted by Darkstar1996
If it's wis based, it has less dps, to-hit, etc.
I suppose an unarmed druid using stunning fist, wis based, is viable though.
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I strongly advise against the Tukaw build. Much of that build's power comes from playing it right and if you haven't unlocked champion status with favor yet you won't be able to play it properly not to mention that I wouldn't even try to change the stats around.
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If you are going to solo much make an artificer but I recommend a ranged repeater artificer as easier to play and build.
If you have no plans to solo make a bard. Bards are a strong support class but have trouble getting enough dps to solo at higher levels. On the other hand bards are easy to build and hard to screw up too badly unless you try to do too many things.
Melee clerics are probably the easiest to build and play among all the builds you mentioned. It will be easy for you to get into groups and your aura can save you a lot of watching health bars.The worst problem on the DDO forums right now
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Manyshot+Bow STR+Unbridled Fury (FotW epic moment) - aka "Furyshot" - provides some amazing burst DPS; it's a crucial part of what makes the Juggernaut special. Asking why a Juggy uses bows is like asking why a Tempest uses bows; it's because MS is just that awesome. Originally Posted by Darkstar1996
Juggernaut basically gains 3 things from arty 16: Reconstruct, Deadly Weapons, and 4 feats (Quicken + 3 ranged feats or 2 ranged + Mithril Body). [Arty buffs, Repair spells, etc. also help out, but a lot of that can come from gear, ship buffs, etc.] It doesn't use any caster DPS because it doesn't have the DCs to make them worthwhile; Flame Turret might be useful while leveling, but that's about it. Monk splash provides 2 extra feats, Evasion, and +3 to all saves; if you plan to use Sireth, you can also take advantage of monk stances. The pally-splashed version gains Divine Grace (+CHA to all saves) and can add Divine Might if it Twists in Bane of Undeath from US; while the rgr-splashed version gains two ranged feats free (Bow STR+Rapid Shot), which on my build makes room for THF chain. [Rgr Juggie can also be switched to TWF if you prefer.]
As for weapons: if you check the Jugg thread, you'll see eSOS or Sireth is the final goal; but honestly Jugg works fine with any decent 2H weapon. Part of the beauty of Jugg is, as long as you have WF+arty unlocked, you can adapt the core concepts to almost any build situation or less-than-ideal gear setup.Semi-retired Build Engineer. Everything was better back in our day. Get off my lawn.
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