Dev seeking info: Fall of Truth treasure awarding

[Feather_of_Sun]

After Update 17 went live, we saw reports that, in some circumstances, a player could get no reward when opening the raid chest in Fall of Truth.

We traced the issue to some old (dating from 2007) anti-exploit scripting on the treasure chest object itself, which we determined was no longer necessary. As such, we removed the anti-exploit scripting on this chest in Update 17, Patch 1, which went live a week ago.

Since then, we have not seen new player-submitted bug reports, or noticed any forum posts about this problem. (Though we can't read every thread posted, so it's entirely possible we missed a report somewhere!)

To that end, I'm here to ask you guys for information:
Is this still a problem? Has anyone completed the Fall of Truth, and not gotten anything in the chest?

If so, can you please provide us with the following information:

• How many times had you completed the raid within the past seven days before experiencing the issue?
  
• Were you logged into the game and inside the quest when your group completed the raid?
  
• Were you logged into the game and inside the quest when the chest was opened?
  
• Did the chest have any rewards in your name at all?
  
• If so, exactly what did it have?

Please note, we are currently only looking for information pertaining to this problem with regard to the Fall of Truth raid. There are several other raids which can experience this issue, but we did not make a fix targeting those raids. If we can confirm to our satisfaction that the fix to the Fall of Truth was successful, we will deploy it to the other affected raids in the following game update.

Thank you, and we hope you're enjoying your adventures!

[Ovrad]

There's a lack of data because most players are having a hard time completing the raid at all with the recent change to electric damage. The massive lightning damage combined with electric vulnerability and reflex debuff from breaths just destroys most groups.

[Renvar]

Come on. It's not that difficult now. There are still many EN and EH completions on Khyber. I've been in completions on EH 4-5 times and EN 3 or 4 times since Patch 1. Have not had the chest bug hit me in any, nor did anyone in group report it happening to them.

I'm sure there have been enough completions out there to know if it is still happening.

[Drona]

Heya FoS:

Have completed FoT twice after the update on Epic Normal.

So far NO blank chests. Got 1 comm per run, gems, plat and trash as usual

[Battlehawke]

Anyone seen any named items drop on recent completions? I have not. None for the whole party. Only completed twice though......

[mrtweakin]

Anyone seen any named items drop on recent completions? I have not. None for the whole party. Only completed twice though......

I have run 2 EH's since the update. Both had several named items drop.

[Thrudh]

reflex debuff

My favorite part is that I built my main melee with evasion and a high reflex save, giving up DPS and hps, and other trade-offs.

Then finally, a raid comes out where my guy really should shine for once, and you debuff my reflex save so I'm just a as flat-footed as that pure barbarian meat-bag next to me, but with less DPS.

Hurray.

But, to answer your question, I haven't seen anyone complain about an empty chest in FoT since the update.

[Battlehawke]

I have run 2 EH's since the update. Both had several named items drop.

That's good to hear. Thank you.

[UurlockYgmeov]

Feather - thank you for following up on this.

[Qezuzu]

Then finally, a raid comes out where my guy really should shine for once, and you debuff my reflex save so I'm just a as flat-footed as that pure barbarian meat-bag next to me, but with less DPS.

PLIS
Mantle
Mirror Cloak
That one new cloak

[pharky]

not to show off, but i didnt die many times(probably just once or twice) in about 3 runs that i've did after patch. all i have on is a crafted 33% absorption, energy sheath twist and regenerative cocoon twist.

even with the debuffs, the lightning only deals 300-400 dmg with energy sheath and the absorption item. pair that up with the fact that you could use regenerative cocoon right before the lightning hits ensures that you will not die when you only have 400 hp. so you dont really need rare named items just for this raid.

also to reply to the main thread, in the 3 runs, there hasnt been any event of an empty chest for my guildies and I. thanks for the follow up.

[CheeseMilk]

Finished one on EH last night, no empty chest complaints.

Necklace, Bracers and quarterstaff dropped.

[Lonnbeimnech]

Not trying to derail because I believe this is connected.

Was in a group for an at-level reavers fate yesterday on argonnessen. after completion the 3 regular chests contained loot, but the raid loot chest contained nothing but guild renown and a few cratfing essence.

How many times had you completed the raid within the past seven days before experiencing the issue? 0
Were you logged into the game and inside the quest when your group completed the raid? yes
Were you logged into the game and inside the quest when the chest was opened? yes
Did the chest have any rewards in your name at all? yes
If so, exactly what did it have? heroic deeds and 7 air essence, actually the entire group had just guild renown of various types, and some crafting essence. Not everyone got renown or essence.

[PNellesen]

I have my disagreements about some of the recent loot decisions and changes, but it's nice to see this kind of request for feedback from the players. Keep it up

On-topic: have only run one FoT, but I don't recall anyone saying they had gotten nothing, and I received a commendation and some other standard chest loot.

[Feather_of_Sun]

Not trying to derail because I believe this is connected.

Was in a group for an at-level reavers fate yesterday on argonnessen. after completion the 3 regular chests contained loot, but the raid loot chest contained nothing but guild renown and a few cratfing essence.

How many times had you completed the raid within the past seven days before experiencing the issue? 0
Were you logged into the game and inside the quest when your group completed the raid? yes
Were you logged into the game and inside the quest when the chest was opened? yes
Did the chest have any rewards in your name at all? yes
If so, exactly what did it have? heroic deeds and 7 air essence, actually the entire group had just guild renown of various types, and some crafting essence. Not everyone got renown or essence.

Unrelated, and not actually a bug so much as a poor design decision made years ago when setting up old raids. Thank you though!

[Protasious]

After Update 17 went live, we saw reports that, in some circumstances, a player could get no reward when opening the raid chest in Fall of Truth.

We traced the issue to some old (dating from 2007) anti-exploit scripting on the treasure chest object itself, which we determined was no longer necessary. As such, we removed the anti-exploit scripting on this chest in Update 17, Patch 1, which went live a week ago.

Since then, we have not seen new player-submitted bug reports, or noticed any forum posts about this problem. (Though we can't read every thread posted, so it's entirely possible we missed a report somewhere!)

To that end, I'm here to ask you guys for information:
Is this still a problem? Has anyone completed the Fall of Truth, and not gotten anything in the chest?

If so, can you please provide us with the following information:

• How many times had you completed the raid within the past seven days before experiencing the issue?
  
• Were you logged into the game and inside the quest when your group completed the raid?
  
• Were you logged into the game and inside the quest when the chest was opened?
  
• Did the chest have any rewards in your name at all?
  
• If so, exactly what did it have?

Please note, we are currently only looking for information pertaining to this problem with regard to the Fall of Truth raid. There are several other raids which can experience this issue, but we did not make a fix targeting those raids. If we can confirm to our satisfaction that the fix to the Fall of Truth was successful, we will deploy it to the other affected raids in the following game update.

Thank you, and we hope you're enjoying your adventures!

i did reavers fate HE on friday 3-22-2013 on the orien server. there were 11 people in the raid, all were present when the raid was completed and the chest was opened,.. none were offline. the gold chest had no loot for anyone in the raid. I had not done the raid at all on the character i was in with (not on its current life anyways).

i know this isn't the fall of truth raid, but figured it was related. i did not submit a bug report for this as i figured it was a known issue, however several others in the raid submitted bug reports right after the chest was opened with no loot in it.

Edit: sorry just noticed the above post right after posting this one

[LordPiglet]

PLIS
Mantle
Mirror Cloak
That one new cloak

mantle and mirror don't have enough charges (depending on the group) It was 37 charges off my pl last time I ran it.

[DarkForte]

stuff

Ran it once on EN, nobody had an empty chest.

[Feather_of_Sun]

the gold chest had no loot for anyone in the raid.

This may be related.
Can you please verify that the chest was completely empty? No gold, gems, anything at all?

Thanks.

[onivedlav]

I've run several times on normal and hard. No empty chests, and always at least one named item. The trinket seams to be dropping a lot.