Have Faith in our Devs

[pie2655]

As the title says, have faith in our Devs. They are here to make the game as good as they can. It will NEVER be perfect because they, like us are human. The devs are NOT trying to make you miserable, DDO is a business and that would be bad for business. If they do something you dont agree with that doesnt mean the majority of DDOers agree with you. Turbine is a business, they need to make money to keep this game going therefore they have to appease the majority before the minority. Most importantly remember there arent TONS of devs, im sure they work hard, and you CAN help apply for the mournlands and bug report on live and lammania it DOES have an effect. NOT bug reporting does more harm then good.
Overall have faith in the devs, they are NOT out to ruin the game (that would be stupid! Use common sense!). If bugs, well bug you that much do what you can to help the devs find them and fix them!

[Synsuous]

It's not the Devs you should or should not have faith in. They do not make any decisions. It is management who is to blame.

[toaf]

i want to blame who ever is in charge of checking up on the bugs found on the test server, from what i've been reading. 80% of the bugs where found on lamland. and yet they still made it live.

[Ranncore]

i want to blame who ever is in charge of checking up on the bugs found on the test server, from what i've been reading. 80% of the bugs where found on lamland. and yet they still made it live.

That's not a test server, it's a preview server.
That's supposed to be sarcasm, but really...

[mystafyi]

having faith in an entity that has shown via past precident the utter lack of ability to code... hmmmmmm
perhaps I should have faith in the crackhead on the corner to stop smoking crack?

[pie2655]

having faith in an entity that has shown via past precident the utter lack of ability to code... hmmmmmm
perhaps I should have faith in the crackhead on the corner to stop smoking crack?

Uhm really? Log in and look around.

[GeneralDiomedes]

Everyone at Turbine knew of expansion pack deadline WELL ahead of time. However, lots of opportunity to spread the blame around!

- Is the QA team's testing methodology good enough to find enough bugs in time to fix?
- Were internal development resources mis-allocated to future content during the bug-fix stage?
- Did the developers provide accurate estimates of effort at the outset?
- Did the project manager properly manage scope creep?
- Did the project manager identify schedule slips early enough to correct them?
- Did the marketing team negotiate hard release dates with retailers and publications?
- Was WoTC involved enough to prevent re-work of lore/graphics/etc?
- Did management refuse to delay the release, even though they could have?
- Did Turbine fall prey to something akin to Brooks law when they ramped up their head count by 50% for the expansion?
- Does the code base just plain suck? lol.

[mystafyi]

Uhm really? Log in and look around.

sorry cant... got the stupid disconnent upon connecting bug....

this game is a bastardized version of Asherons Call 2, well over 10 years old. The current Dev team had little to nothing to do with AC2. Expecting them to be able to fix anything would be a miracle.

[darksol23]

Overall have faith in the devs, they are NOT out to ruin the game (that would be stupid! Use common sense!).

I agree they are likely not "out to ruin the game", but being incompetent while having good intentions can often lead to the same outcome.

MotU and U15 have once again shown there is a significant issue "behind the scenes." Only Turbine (and WB) will ever know whether it is a management problem (poor direction, resource allocation, unrealistic schedules) or whether it is personnel problem (inexperienced or incompetent developers/coders or designers or QA). But there is definitely a problem... And it's showing.


P.S. Many props to the DDO Art team. Honestly, the one part of MotU that I felt was done very very well.

[Ungood]

The Short Answer is - No.

Sorry. but while the Developers are just trying to do their job, lets be real here, they know what they are putting out is buggy, not working, and incomplete.

While as it stands, they personally may have no say in the matter, that does not mean that I should have faith in then.

• If they have no control of the situation, they are as helpless as I am to change the game or do anything and thus there is no point in having faith in them.
• If they are in control of the situation, then they are responsible for putting out content they know is half baked and thus not deserving of having faith in them.

Now at some point, somewhere in the company that is Turbine, someone made the judgment call to push out the content knowing that it was buggy, incomplete, and would make the company look incapable of putting out polished work.

Who that person is, I do not know, so I have no recourse but to blame Turbine as a whole, and that includes it's development team for putting out poorly done work, for poor time management of tasks, for allowing development projects to sit for years half done, and overall, a constant state of flux where they are breaking the working parts of the game as they try to "fix it"

[Dragaer]

It is really hard to have faith when they break all the rules of running an MMO.

Here is what Jess Mulligan said game designers and producers should not do. Don't know who she is? That's ok....Turbine does.

• If your licensor wants you to launch your game before it's ready, cancel it.
• It's the community, stupid.
• Many players don't experience a persistent online world as "a game." They experience it as "my life." An online world's hardcore players view themselves as citizens. Some want to be good citizens, some bad, but the entire core wants to believe they belong to something permanent.
• Big changes after launch drive away existing players and make newcomers mistrust you.
• Fix the bugs. If you can't fix them, cancel the launch.
• Oh yeah - don't launch before you're ready.

And my personal opinion, they really do not know how their game is played (nor how to play it).

[Jay203]

why give them more stress by putting more hope on them to live up to?

[ddobard1]

This game is HUGE! I love this game!

[GermanicusMaximus]

The Short Answer is - No.

Sorry. but while the Developers are just trying to do their job, lets be real here, they know what they are putting out is buggy, not working, and incomplete.

While as it stands, they personally may have no say in the matter, that does not mean that I should have faith in then.

• If they have no control of the situation, they are as helpless as I am to change the game or do anything and thus there is no point in having faith in them.
• If they are in control of the situation, then they are responsible for putting out content they know is half baked and thus not deserving of having faith in them.

Now at some point, somewhere in the company that is Turbine, someone made the judgment call to push out the content knowing that it was buggy, incomplete, and would make the company look incapable of putting out polished work.

Who that person is, I do not know, so I have no recourse but to blame Turbine as a whole, and that includes it's development team for putting out poorly done work, for poor time management of tasks, for allowing development projects to sit for years half done, and overall, a constant state of flux where they are breaking the working parts of the game as they try to "fix it"

Crikey! I agree!

[Tenlaar]

If bugs, well bug you that much do what you can to help the devs find them and fix them!

Like bug report them for years while seeing not a known issue over and over again.

[doomboy]

It is really hard to have faith when they break all the rules of running an MMO.

Here is what Jess Mulligan said game designers and producers should not do. Don't know who she is? That's ok....Turbine does.

• If your licensor wants you to launch your game before it's ready, cancel it.
• It's the community, stupid.
• Many players don't experience a persistent online world as "a game." They experience it as "my life." An online world's hardcore players view themselves as citizens. Some want to be good citizens, some bad, but the entire core wants to believe they belong to something permanent.
• Big changes after launch drive away existing players and make newcomers mistrust you.
• Fix the bugs. If you can't fix them, cancel the launch.
• Oh yeah - don't launch before you're ready.

And my personal opinion, they really do not know how their game is played (nor how to play it).

well said. and the last quote really applies to U15. i mean U14 was bugged, whatever as far as i care. most of the content could be completed. but if U15 id being given to us WITH A BROKEN QUEST AT THE VERY BEGINNING there is something SERIOUSLY WRONG going.

[Oliphant]

Most of my frustration stems from the phrase, "If there is nothing else I can help you with, have a good day. *ends chat immediately*"

[HungarianRhapsody]

As the title says, have faith in our Devs. They are here to make the game as good as they can. It will NEVER be perfect because they, like us are human. The devs are NOT trying to make you miserable, DDO is a business and that would be bad for business. If they do something you dont agree with that doesnt mean the majority of DDOers agree with you. Turbine is a business, they need to make money to keep this game going therefore they have to appease the majority before the minority. Most importantly remember there arent TONS of devs, im sure they work hard, and you CAN help apply for the mournlands and bug report on live and lammania it DOES have an effect. NOT bug reporting does more harm then good.
Overall have faith in the devs, they are NOT out to ruin the game (that would be stupid! Use common sense!). If bugs, well bug you that much do what you can to help the devs find them and fix them!

I have absolute faith that the developers at Turbine *WANT* to make DDO a great game and that they want us to have fun.

I have much less faith that Turbine's management wants to put in the time, effort and money to make that happen.

[Grosbeak07]

I have absolute faith that the developers at Turbine *WANT* to make DDO a great game and that they want us to have fun.

I have much less faith that Turbine's management wants to put in the time, effort and money to make that happen.

After seeing the fruits of the "hot fix" tonight... I'm pretty sure the Devs have their fair share of the blame.

[Qezuzu]

I have absolute faith that the developers at Turbine *WANT* to make DDO a great game and that they want us to have fun.

I have much less faith that Turbine's management wants to put in the time, effort and money to make that happen.

imo it probably is the management.

Earlier, there was a thread titled "will the newbs stay" or something like that. There was posted a link to glassdoor.com, and apparently employees were marking points off for Turbine's management.

I don't know how reputable those anonymous comment were, but I still highly doubt it's the devs themselves that are incompetent. They have the skills, some bugs DO get fixed... just not all of them, because time is limited.