Cannith Challenges Untouched

[Carkolda]

So... yeah. Just ran 4-star TIM on heroic 20. 1,823 xp with 5% pot, 4% ship buff, and voice. Ran 4-star Epic TIM (23), and get 4,654 or something, with 4% ship buff and voice.

Turbine/Devs: You lied to us. You didn't fix the XP at all.

[Isolani]

So... yeah. Just ran 4-star TIM on heroic 20. 1,823 xp with 5% pot, 4% ship buff, and voice. Ran 4-star Epic TIM (23), and get 4,654 or something, with 4% ship buff and voice.

Turbine/Devs: You lied to us. You didn't fix the XP at all.

Did some challenges to finish off enough dungeon tokens to slot something a couple days ago, they were horrid xp still, even with first star bonus. Don't do any of them unless you actually need the equipment or are grinding tokens.

Ingredient payout is lower than I remember it being also, even though it has supposedly been increased. Pretty sure that when I got a good TIM map with purples near circles I could get 300+ ingredients in 5 min solo, now after many many runs the best I could get solo was 210 or so and that's on a map with no torch lines, just dropping teleporters next to a bunch of purples. Most runs were probably more like 120ish ingredients...so yeah, it's like 70 or 80 runs to slot something now.

I was hoping they would get buffed a bit with the update, I guess not though.

Challenges are pointless now. They seriously f'd these things up.

[Carkolda]

Yup. My main issue is that the devs told us that they will be increasing challenge xp in U15, and well... They didn't. In my book, that's a liar. Congrats devs, you lost any trust I had in you. How can ANY of us believe anything that comes in your posts now? Flip a few levers back to the way it was (Since you've already said you can do this) and unf**k the **** challenges. Paying 1500 for this is the biggest ripoff I have ever seen.

[caberonia]

Yup. My main issue is that the devs told us that they will be increasing challenge xp in U15, and well... They didn't. In my book, that's a liar. Congrats devs, you lost any trust I had in you. How can ANY of us believe anything that comes in your posts now? Flip a few levers back to the way it was (Since you've already said you can do this) and unf**k the **** challenges. Paying 1500 for this is the biggest ripoff I have ever seen.

This, only in a slightly more pleasant tone.

[Artrish]

It feels like its just at that stage where a majority have just discarded the house c challenges as decent exp and just moved onto other content. I disliked the exp lowering in a big way when it happened, i still do and would like the exp increased.

I still run them though, quite often for the exp though i try not to look at the exp being earnt as its quite demotivating though the exp i get from it is still helpfull at times where it is a nicer option to choose then other levelling options.

Likely it will never go back to a fun rate of exp being earned, though heres hoping that the disinterest in the challenge pack at least keeps people away from crying for changes to be made to make it harder.

The loot is still nice that is earned (for those that can kill the bosses in it) and earning ingredients to trade for potions when there isn't much else happening for quests at slow points in a level, is nice as well.

So, for me at least (hopefully others as well) the challenge pack is still very usefull to have access to. I will always play in the hope the nice exp returns but i think the chance of that happening is gone for this addon pack.

[Carkolda]

To me the biggest problem isn't the wasted TP (1495 is way overpriced), nor is it the bait-and-switch Turbine pulled when I purchased the content with one set of characteristics and they changed the major characteristics after it was purchased. No, it's not those two major effective thefts.

No, it's the fact that the Dev's said "Hey, we hear you players, and we're going to make it right and fix the XP." And... here we are, well after U15, and... nothing. It was an utter betrayal of our trust by the Devs. And they just hoped (and succeeded, for the most part) that would just go quietly into the night hoping their outright lie was forgotten.

Don't worry Devs. I haven't forgotten. Nor will many of us. We just won't believe anything that comes out of you from now on. Prove us wrong! I dare you.

[GermanicusMaximus]

To me the biggest problem isn't the wasted TP (1495 is way overpriced)

I was shocked at the price of the challenges when they were released late last year. In my opinion, adventure packs in this game carry a pretty reasonable price, and to me it seemed likely Turbine would eventually reprice the challenges to something that better reflected their value.

Well, I was half right. They were repriced, but only down to 1295. When you take the average price of the MotU adventure packs (2495/3 = a bit over 830 each) the challenges are still the most expensive content in the game by a substantial margin, and not particularly entertaining at that. I've had a much better time running the "hated 3" (Three Barrel Cove, Threnal, and Restless Isles) than I ever did running the Cannith Challenges. Rushmore can be fairly entertaining, but the other 3 range from completely boring to downright vile.

DDO likes to hang on to its mistakes. I guess it only makes sense that Turbine would make it worse by removing the few reasons to run this content at all.

[Kinerd]

Yup. My main issue is that the devs told us that they will be increasing challenge xp in U15, and well... They didn't.

It was a stupid, ill-advised, very bad change. With that said, I don't recall any dev post promising that u15 was going to see better challenge XP. The only dev post I remember said that they were going to fix the XP at some point.

Now, as you say, the (justifiably) notorious "levers" comment comes back to bite them on this point, but still.

[samthedagger]

I have never really run the challenges for XP. I run them for fun, to increase my previous score, and to earn ingredients. The XP is kind of a bonus. So I don't consider the challenges a waste. There are a lot of quests in the game I run just for fun. I hate grinding high XP/min quests over and over. That is not fun to me. Playing through quests I haven't done in a while is a lot more interesting. Challenges have that added difficulty layer of being timed and having scores tied to your success, which makes them feel a little like arcade games, which I heartily enjoy.

[AidanRyuko]

I really miss the xp as well, though my main reason for doing the challenges are the items in it but the xp makes the grind in the process worth it, because time is money on epic 21 would give me like 4k pre-cap and 12k on epic levels. I read they won't be restoring it to be as much as it used to be but I'd already be satisfied with 3k per 5 min to at least not make it too much of a time-waste compared to regular questing.

[Musashiclaw]

Dev's Any comments?

[Miow]

Did the dragon's hoard on lvl20 solo, the challenge takes 20 min i collected like 375 crystals total and received like 40 mats....weeeeeweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. What a headbanger of a grind are all the cannith challenges giving such poor reward now?(not to mention the xp)

[Hawkston]

No they aren't all as bad. Dragon's Hoard is terrible for mats, but you should be able to scare up 100-150 mats on a five minute run of Buying Time or Time is Money fairly consistently (as long as you aren't overlevel). Often it is faster to farm one of those and then trade for the mat you need to make whatever it is you're after.

[redspecter23]

The xp awarded in non first runs of challenges is an insultingly low amount. I compare it with going out for a nice meal and leaving a $0.53 tip. Yes, it's better than 0 technically, but it's so infuriatingly low that it would be better off as 0 so you might think the diners simply forgot instead of going out of their way to insult you.

[Zindro]

I have been waiting for this change to log back into the game... It has only been 45 days... I keep hoping they will do what Madfloyd said they would do...

By the way, if anyone wants to see the post to refresh their memories... http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php...46#post4624346

[Ytteri]

Are you guys taking an over level penalty or something? At character level 24, I ran CR25 time is money and consistently get between 100 and 200 mats and 4800 xp for 3 stars with 3% ship and voice. Before I could really get the hang of Time is Money, I ran Buying Time, and again 3 stars got me 4800 xp.

I cant remember which one, but I ran some non-epic challenge a bit too cause I needed the non-epic mats and received horrible mats and xp, which is why I'm wondering if you guys are getting a level penalty.

Now I'm not saying that the xp and rewards are good, but it doesn't seem as bad as you guys are suggesting. At least to me. I remain satisfied with the TP price I paid for the pack.

[Gleep_Wurp]

Yup. My main issue is that the devs told us that they will be increasing challenge xp in U15, and well... They didn't. In my book, that's a liar. Congrats devs, you lost any trust I had in you. How can ANY of us believe anything that comes in your posts now? Flip a few levers back to the way it was (Since you've already said you can do this) and unf**k the **** challenges. Paying 1500 for this is the biggest ripoff I have ever seen.

turbine has no integrity.plain and simple

[Kinerd]

Are you guys taking an over level penalty or something? At character level 24, I ran CR25 time is money and consistently get between 100 and 200 mats and 4800 xp for 3 stars with 3% ship and voice. Before I could really get the hang of Time is Money, I ran Buying Time, and again 3 stars got me 4800 xp.

I cant remember which one, but I ran some non-epic challenge a bit too cause I needed the non-epic mats and received horrible mats and xp, which is why I'm wondering if you guys are getting a level penalty.

Now I'm not saying that the xp and rewards are good, but it doesn't seem as bad as you guys are suggesting. At least to me. I remain satisfied with the TP price I paid for the pack.

Epics give triple experience (to 20+ characters). If you had the same (lack of) over-level penalty, you would get 1600 xp for a 3 star run on heroic. Here's the timeline:

-Challenges released, two of which give very good xp/min, all of which give BtC ingredients. Everyone hates BtC ingredients.
-Ingredients changed to BtA.
-New challenges released, give BtC ingredients, all challenges give the epic triple XP. Amazingly, everyone still hates BtC ingredients. (Again, only a minority of challenges give good xp/min.)
-Epic challenge XP is too high, experience nerfed on all epic challenges.
-Epic challenge XP is too high, star bonuses on repeats very strongly nerfed on all challenges (heroic and epic). Used to be 90% of base xp, now 10% of base xp. Notably, these last two were not accomplished with a update/patch/hotfix but with "switches and levers".
-MadFloyd mentions that challenge XP will be tweaked back up.

Currently:

-Eveningstar ingredients still BtC.
-Challenge XP still double nerfed.

It really is that bad, not least because the left hand has no idea what the right hand is doing, or even what the left hand is doing.

[eris2323]

The fact that turbine can log in anytime and fix this problem (as evidenced by how it was 'fixed' in the first place without taking the servers down) is disgusting.

Is the only dev who knows how to do it on vacation or something?

[Morbleue]

Yes very sad story. I stopped buying new content until they do something smarter and restore the challenge Xps. It was a really stupid decision. They received tons of praise on the challenges when they got out... on this very forum. It was a big sucess as it solved many things: the Xp issue on level 17-19 quests, possibility to run a quick 5 mns quest when doing a hard to fill LFM while waiting for new team mates, the possibility to solo if there is not much going on.

They shot themselves very severely in the foot. And they aint that bright that they can recognize where it hurts.