Remove scroll/wand vendors

[Phidius]

I'd like to see scroll vendors removed completely, as it spoils several important game mechanics.

1. Wizards ability to inscribe scrolls that they find - this is only used with level 8/9 spells, really. All the 1-7 spells can be bought from a vendor before leveling up, and then just select the ones that aren't for sale.

2. Spell point balancing - the ability to carry mutiple stacks of scrolls has caused Turbine to develop content that presumes that people have them.

3. Devaluing of class features - Who cares that Rangers/Paladins/Bards can cast Cure spells? Just splash Rogue/Bard/Arti and use Heal/Reconstruct scrolls. Why slot Teleport/Greater Teleport? They work just as well from scrolls.

4. Devaluing of loot - scrolls found in chests now are the first to be sold to the bartender, and the first to be destroyed when inventory is full. I do get excited when I find Dimension Door scrolls, though.

And to illustrate my point, here's an Order of the Stick comic

http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0058.html

[V_mad_jester_V]

And to illustrate my point, here's an Order of the Stick comic

http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0058.html

no **** but i love you just for posting that comic up X-D

[Syllph]

Interesting, but keep in mind a wizard in D&D is also supposed to have the feat scribe scroll.

With this he makes his own scrolls at a cost. Wizards across the realms have made and sold these at a mark-up to make profit. If the scroll vendors didn't do it, perhaps players would petition to have this feat enabled and it really wouldn't change much except perhaps a player vendor and not an in-game vendor. Personally I prefer the latter as it gives a plat sink (albeit a small one).

[thwart]

Then vendors selling weapons would devalue monks because unarmed combat is one of the hallmarks of that class.

[Phidius]

Then vendors selling weapons would devalue monks because unarmed combat is one of the hallmarks of that class.

The only weapons I've ever bought from a vendor were originally pulled from a chest.

Your suggestion would be fair if the static vendors sold worthwhile weapons.

[HatsuharuZ]

LOL at the OotS comic! It doesn't really prove your point, though, it just tells me that Wis is not a dump stat on a ranger :P


I'm not saying your idea is a bad one, but if it were implemented, there would be some consequences:

1) Scroll/wand prices on the AH would go up.

2) TR wizards would want to be able to keep scrolls they'd inscribed from their past lives.

3) Wizards (and all other casters, now that I think about it) would demand some way to craft wands and scrolls.

4) People with no money to buy the overpriced scrolls/wands would be forced to chest farm.

[Phidius]

no **** but i love you just for posting that comic up X-D

Order of the Stick - the fire-retardant apparel of choice when posting a nerf request on the DDO forums.

[Phidius]

LOL at the OotS comic! It doesn't really prove your point, though, it just tells me that Wis is not a dump stat on a ranger :P
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Not intended to prove a point, just illustrate it. And stave off the flames

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I'm not saying your idea is a bad one, but if it were implemented, there would be some consequences:

1) Scroll/wand prices on the AH would go up.
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I'm OK with that. I don't buy scrolls of the AH now, but I'm sure the demand would outstrip the supply in short order. At least for the key scrolls.

It would just be a much higher plat sink than it is today.

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2) TR wizards would want to be able to keep scrolled they'd inscribed from their past lives.
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Too true, but at least they'd have had to "earn" the scrolls in the first place. I haven't minded having to find the level 8-9 spells from my latest Wizard TR.

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3) Wizards (and all other casters, now that I think about it) would demand some way to craft wands and scrolls.
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I'm sure I've seen this request before. Not sure how I feel about it - I doubt I'd spend XP to craft them, though.

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4) People with no money to buy the overpriced scrolls/wands would be forced to chest farm.

This is the key point, actually - before this change could be made, Turbine would really need to adjust the content to account for this loss to avoid screwing over the newer folks.

There's no argument in my mind that this would make the game harder.

[V_mad_jester_V]

3) Wizards (and all other casters, now that I think about it) would demand some way to craft wands and scrolls.

in pnp its an ability, which this should have been an ability to all casters in the first place.

and plus thats not too bad of an idea with the thought, a level 1 caster can make a level 5 wand (if crafting skill permits) but cant use said want till minimal level is achieved or umd is high enough to use

[dterror]

in pnp its an ability, which this should have been an ability to all casters in the first place.

and plus thats not too bad of an idea with the thought, a level 1 caster can make a level 5 wand (if crafting skill permits) but cant use said want till minimal level is achieved or umd is high enough to use

IIRC, not all casters in PnP have the ability to create scrolls, wands, etc because they require feats to do so, and have a minimum level required to take the necessary crafting feats. The creation of the wands/scrolls/staves or what have you is also limited to their caster level and to those spells they already have themselves....thus your level 1 caster will never be able to make a level 5 wand...and shouldn't be able to.

The only 'ability' all wizards have is the knowledge of how to attempt to scribe a scroll they've managed to decipher into their own spell book.

[Havok.cry]

Fleshy sorcs would cease to exist, and every umd class would be devalued.

I would be extremely opposed to this, the reason: one of the biggest reasons I like this game over any other is that NO class is required for anything. Removing the option of scroll healing yourself would effectivly nuke that aspect of the game for me. Anything that brings the game closer to the point of "wait 30 minutes to an hour for party to form for everything you want to run" aould be an extremely bad move. For me, as I play in the off hours and dislike playing divines, the game would be unplayable.

Also divine players dont need more value, they are instantly accepted by any party leader that hasn't squelched them. No other classes can claim this, almost universaly across all quests.

[Therrias]

4. Devaluing of loot - scrolls found in chests now are the first to be sold to the bartender, and the first to be destroyed when inventory is full. I do get excited when I find Dimension Door scrolls, though.

You actually loot non-rare scrolls?

[V_mad_jester_V]

IIRC, not all casters in PnP have the ability to create scrolls, wands, etc because they require feats to do so, and have a minimum level required to take the necessary crafting feats. The creation of the wands/scrolls/staves or what have you is also limited to their caster level and to those spells they already have themselves....thus your level 1 caster will never be able to make a level 5 wand...and shouldn't be able to.

The only 'ability' all wizards have is the knowledge of how to attempt to scribe a scroll they've managed to decipher into their own spell book.

lets look at this from a ddo stand point.

in pnp, the ability to make armor required skill points, lots of them

trap making required skill points lots of them

they took the core idea and then puta ddo twist on that, crafting wands would be no different

[PopeJual]

We should also stop selling potions because that devalues the potions that we get from chests and broken barrels/boxes/crates. And hirelings devalue human players.

No more cure pots or Cleric/FvS hirelings.

I'm sure that the OP would appreciate that, right? Everything is valuable now!

[PopeJual]

You actually loot non-rare scrolls?

I do. Mostly when I miss click or when I forget that they're not on the rare-scrolls list.

[themoonbreaker]

If we could craft wands and scrolls, I would sign this. But currently it is one of the game balancing plat sinks that keep the economy in check.

[Sonos]

/not signed

I chalk this up as a solution for which there is no problem.

I mean, why in heck would I role a helf, so that the 1/1000 chance I can loot a heal scroll?

There are bigger fish to fry, this one is inedible.

[Cyndrome]

Great idea!

But why stop there. Turbine should get rid of all vendors for the same reason. Chest loot will mean something. Turbine should get rid of rest and rez shrines as well they diminish the value of class abilities and the value of not dying. Also, all loot should be BtC on acquire. And if you die - your character is deleted.

Oh wait I can play permadeath now and do all of those things.

Nevermind.

[Jay203]

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i think the first things to go should be GS and Mnemonic pots... and transform kinetic energy
nothing devalues the limitations of the spell point system like the things mentioned above

[Gawna]

Og, definitely not signed. Sure, make all the healers suck down pots because they can't buy scrolls anymore!