If you don't like the party, leave before we are in the quest/raid.

[NaturalHazard]

Theres one thing that people do that annoys me no end. Thats bailing on the party because they don't like the party make up sometimes as far as the middle of the quest/raid when we have no option to get someone else.

Like in shroud the other day had a lot of sorcs, favoured souls, and clerics, halfway through portals some guy recalls out because we just dont have enough melees to surround harry. TOD someone left because we dont have a wf tank thats when we dropped down to fight the judge and jailor. Come on people.

[Talon_Oakenleaf]

That does suck, sorry to hear that. Hence one more unfortunate reason PUG's are dying a slow death.

[DarkAlchemist]

That does suck, sorry to hear that. Hence one more unfortunate reason PUG's are dying a slow death.

Yeah, and I rely solely on the PUG to level my characters.

[danotmano1998]

Ouch!
Yeah, people leaving mid quest isn't good.

Unless its one of those RL emergencies, it shouldn't happen.
Sorry to hear about that, hopefully you'll have better PUG luck in the future.

[NaturalHazard]

Shroud TOD its not so bad can short man those no problem but if someone does that when we step into lob or something it will be the last straw, theres 11 other people in the raid 5 if its a quest the way some people treat other players its like we are not people, but bots or something. .

[Airgeadlam]

One always learn new things...

Like in shroud the other day had a lot of sorcs, favoured souls, and clerics, halfway through portals some guy recalls out because we just dont have enough melees to surround harry

Firts news I have that FvS and Clerics can't surround Harry or add melee DPS to the situation.

TOD someone left because we dont have a wf tank thats when we dropped down to fight the judge and jailor

First time too I hear a WF tank is needed there. I will be sure to not tank again with my h-elf. Such a noob am I...

[NaturalHazard]

One always learn new things...



Firts news I have that FvS and Clerics can't surround Harry or add melee DPS to the situation.



First time too I hear a WF tank is needed there. I will be sure to not tank again with my h-elf. Such a noob am I...

They said it not me im just stated their reasons for leaving.

[Ungood]

the way some people treat other players its like we are not people, but bots or something. .

It does seem that way sometimes, don't it. That we forget that it is another person on the other end of every character in this game.

[Chauncey1]

Dang! That's harsh!
I've been in some pugs where I hated it so much I had to turn my mic off so I wouldn't be heard screaming obscenities at the people that made me mad.
But I never left in the middle of a quest.
That's just wrong.
However, I have left a group in the middle of a chain, but not in quest. But that was when the leader was a really overbearing, abusive type person, and I just wasn't in the mood to deal with it.
I couldn't imagine leaving because the party makeup wasn't perfect...those are usually more fun IMHO.

[HungarianRhapsody]

I would not drop in the middle of a quest just because of the party's class distribution. That is obvious from the start.

I have recalled and left the party because they party as a whole couldn't quest its way out of a wet paper bag and was bickering unpleasantly while sliding down the kiddie slide of quest failure toward the sandbox of TPK.



There are absolutely some good reasons to recall and drop party in the middle of a quest. If you can potentially figure out that a party isn't a good fit for you before people enter the quest, though, then it's probably a good idea to leave the party before stepping into the quest.

[Arnhelm]

I'll run a quest until a wipe, even if it's a poorly-run group. Leaving in the middle of a quest is something I won't do.

However, I also won't use up resources I might otherwise employ, such as mana pots or rex cakes, on a group that has no chance of successful completion.

[loren9109]

Mispost sorry><

[Nagantor]

If people even state a silly reason they could have noticed right from the start, feel free to squelch them. It's nothing unexpected from real life, nothing bad about the others they could only notice some way into the quest. At least they could have tried under the "not using my ressources to save a badly done party" rule. In your described scenarios, they'd probably be surprised by success even. At worst you get some repair bill and if you fear items breaking fully, don't accept a raise anymore. Not that it's likely to reach that point.

Dropping during a quest without newly appeared reason is simply impolite. Don't do it. I've left partys in between chains when I got the feeling that this party doesn't increase my fun at all, but even then more so for chains where a replacement is easy. Like Carnival, Red Fens or some Necro. A chain like Sorrowdusk or Threnal I tend to avoid unless running with enough people known to be reliable.

[Blackmoors]

Theres one thing that people do that annoys me no end. Thats bailing on the party because they don't like the party make up sometimes as far as the middle of the quest/raid when we have no option to get someone else.

Like in shroud the other day had a lot of sorcs, favoured souls, and clerics, halfway through portals some guy recalls out because we just dont have enough melees to surround harry. TOD someone left because we dont have a wf tank thats when we dropped down to fight the judge and jailor. Come on people.

From your description, I think thous individuals that left due to this reasons were making a huge favor to yourself and the party by leaving. Someone that thinks that Arcane or Divine Casters arent enough to beat Harry or that you need a WF tank for ToD (never heard that one before and nowadays a WF tank is not needed for anything, quite the opposite really - but thats another discussion ), for sure they dont understand anything about DDO and as such will be more of a hindrance than a asset in your party.

[Aurora1979]

That does suck, sorry to hear that. Hence one more unfortunate reason PUG's are dying a slow death.

Recently on Thelanis things are just the opposite. The pugs have been really good lately.

But I do agree with the thread though, Dropping partway through is not nice. especially a quest where a late comer cant join, so you cant put the lfm back up.

[Pank]

There is only 3 reasons why I would leave a quest in progress (DC notwhistanding):

1.- Party leader calls to recall (in Abbot if two puzzles fail for instance, or it is a farming party, or it is a clear wipe)
2.- Every single member of the party is dead
3.- Completion (well, this is not recall but finishing)

Anyother situation, I go on with it no matter what. Even if I see the quest is headed for a fail, I stick in untill leader calls or there's nothing else to be done (disclaimer: I don't have any healer so pot usage is not a real issue)

To sum up, leave before entering or live with it till the end.

[MRMechMan]

Leave with a bag of loot or leave in a body bag.

[Cogdoc]

Lads and lasses,

I know it is in high fashion to curse pugs and picture pugging as a last resort for the sane DDOer, but I see it differently and let me tell you why. My view is that Pugging in DDO is the essence of the game, this is why most of us play, and if there were no pugging the enjoyment factor would drop with several levels.

Also contrary to popular belief PUGs are of extremely good quality in DDO, prolly due to the relatively mature community. Of course it doesnt mean that all of them are sugar coated, you get the bad apples here and there, but if you compare it to another MMO, you will see that pug quality skyrockets here.

I have had my own share of wow, and I firmly believe that wow and ddo are the two best mmos out there, but boy did I have bad pugs in wow. With the introduction of the dungeon finder, all consequences were removed after a dishonorable act in a PUG. Image what that ment in a community what is practically filled with youngsters who behind the anonimity of their avatars could do anything they wanted. The community what we had there was generally less mature, and together with no consequences to bad behaviour, the treatment you have received in some pugs was dishearthening.

A forum post cannot explain how worse the pugs were in wow, than what we have here, and that other game is the etalon of MMOs these days. If you are really interested do try it yourself. But I can say this: I am thankful for this relatively mature community and the quality of the pugs we have here.

Cogdoc

[Ungood]

Leave with a bag of loot or leave in a body bag.

^This. I'll stay till wipe, even if I see it beforehand.

[Crann]

Lads and lasses,

I know it is in high fashion to curse pugs and picture pugging as a last resort for the sane DDOer, but I see it differently and let me tell you why. My view is that Pugging in DDO is the essence of the game, this is why most of us play, and if there were no pugging the enjoyment factor would drop with several levels.

Also contrary to popular belief PUGs are of extremely good quality in DDO, prolly due to the relatively mature community. Of course it doesnt mean that all of them are sugar coated, you get the bad apples here and there, but if you compare it to another MMO, you will see that pug quality skyrockets here.

I have had my own share of wow, and I firmly believe that wow and ddo are the two best mmos out there, but boy did I have bad pugs in wow. With the introduction of the dungeon finder, all consequences were removed after a dishonorable act in a PUG. Image what that ment in a community what is practically filled with youngsters who behind the anonimity of their avatars could do anything they wanted. The community what we had there was generally less mature, and together with no consequences to bad behaviour, the treatment you have received in some pugs was dishearthening.

A forum post cannot explain how worse the pugs were in wow, than what we have here, and that other game is the etalon of MMOs these days. If you are really interested do try it yourself. But I can say this: I am thankful for this relatively mature community and the quality of the pugs we have here.

Cogdoc

Well said, from a 99% pugger, on Orien even