"TR's only" groups...

[mobrien316]

For anyone who posts LFM's that read "TR's only", I just wanted to ask what the rationale is behind them?


I'm not trying to criticize; anyone can post whatever they want on an LFM. But I'm curious why you restrict your LFM to TR's only.

Do you believe TR's are better players? Do you want to make sure all optionals are hit so you get the maximum XP possible and you think non-TR's won't appreciate that?


Over the weekend I saw a Shroud LFM that read "TR's only." I sent a tell to the leader to ask if I could join with my non-TR rogue, and explained that I have other characters with multiple past lives but that this rogue is on his first life. I never got a response and the LFM was up for another ten or fifteen minutes or so before it filled.

I just don't get it. I can't think of any reason why I would only want TR's in my group. I certainly prefer good players rather than bad, but in my opinion you are no more likely to encounter a poorly-played character who has no past lives than you are compared to a person with past lives.

[garlor]

I don't understand it either, I usually post my lfm's as "no noob friendly" "be useful" or something in the lines, because there are many new toons that have solid players behind, and many tr's that have junk players behind, most usually the ones putting this "TR only" are the junk players that think only a TR toon can be a good toon/player, that's why I tend to avoid em

[SirShen]

For anyone who posts LFM's that read "TR's only", I just wanted to ask what the rationale is behind them?


I'm not trying to criticize; anyone can post whatever they want on an LFM. But I'm curious why you restrict your LFM to TR's only.

Do you believe TR's are better players? Do you want to make sure all optionals are hit so you get the maximum XP possible and you think non-TR's won't appreciate that?


Over the weekend I saw a Shroud LFM that read "TR's only." I sent a tell to the leader to ask if I could join with my non-TR rogue, and explained that I have other characters with multiple past lives but that this rogue is on his first life. I never got a response and the LFM was up for another ten or fifteen minutes or so before it filled.

I just don't get it. I can't think of any reason why I would only want TR's in my group. I certainly prefer good players rather than bad, but in my opinion you are no more likely to encounter a poorly-played character who has no past lives than you are compared to a person with past lives.

Really it says more about the person with the lfm - Big ego and thinking TRs are better players. Really it makes me laugh. Iv been in a party with a person that had a 5 life TR and they had no idea what they were doing in the quest and then said this is the first time iv done this quest and no it was not a new quest from U13.

[danotmano1998]

I'm guessing the rationale behind it is that if you are a TR, you would have run most if not all the quests in the game already, and you are on an XP train.

I have to admit, I run a TR significantly different than a non-TR character.
On a TR (read XP HOG!) I will typically zerg quests faster, skip optionals if they arent worth a lot of xp, and only run with an Elite bravery streak going.

Also, another huge consideration of a TR is generally that they will already be gear loaded, so they're wearing their GS stuff and generally have more resources/survivability.

On a NON-TR, I stop to smell the flowers, join whichever group sounds good, and don't worry about XP/min or speed.



It's more of a mindset than anything else, but that's typically how I run my Tr's and how I read LFM's up that are posted "TR's only" or similar verbage. Results may differ wildly based on personal experiences.

[Drekisen]

I have played with a lot of TR's...I can assure you plenty of them are not good players at all.

Don't forget...not all things with wings are beneficial.

It's mostly a niche........TR's feel that other TR's will be more in tune with their autonomous way of leveling.

A lot of TR's are only concerned with getting to "god" mode as quick as possible.....and many of them don't know how to have fun.....so don't take it personally......actually be happy of it...you don't wanna play with people like that anyways.

[Gremmlynn]

Some players just think TRing makes them an elite player and only want to associate with other "elite players". To me, it just points out that the poster has no clue as to what makes an elite, or even competent, player.

Though, I suppose, it could be a very poor attempt to filter for players that have similar goals, when simply posting those goals (I'm guessing; fast run for maximum xp) when simply posting those goals would work a lot better.

[~Quilny]

Really it says more about the person with the lfm - Big ego and thinking TRs are better players. Really it makes me laugh. Iv been in a party with a person that had a 5 life TR and they had no idea what they were doing in the quest and then said this is the first time iv done this quest and no it was not a new quest from U13.

not about Ego its abotu finding people who wont out level you after the 1st few quests lol. 1st lifer sneeze and they are 20. I liek to find peopel around my level and try to stay with the same party all the wy to 20 can't do that with 1st lifers unless they willing to hold levels.

[Tyrande]

I have played with a lot of TR's...I can assure you plenty of them are not good players at all.

Don't forget...not all things with wings are beneficial.

It's mostly a niche........TR's feel that other TR's will be more in tune with their autonomous way of leveling.

A lot of TR's are only concerned with getting to "god" mode as quick as possible.....and many of them don't know how to have fun...

I have a few Legend and hero builds myself.

I have to concur with the quoted text though. I have run with lots of TRs and some of them were just extremely fast grinding and dying a lot without having fun. Some of them just leave spawns behind and not cleaning them up, generating lots of dungeon alerts. When you do not have a fast computer/graphics card/internet connection/no lag to catch up to him/her, they spawn monsters behind you blocked your progresses in a door and those spawn monsters kill you...

Some of them charmed all monsters, and not releasing them, but when you get to them; they were not charmed due to time ran out and killed you... It was not fun grouping with people not willing to kill monsters and generates lots of dungeon alerts and not waiting for you when you don't run as fast as him/her.

Some of them are just plain rude... They timed those explosive charges just to kill you... like in the quests "Blown to Pieces" and "Undermine"...

[hecate355]

It reads like 'quick, smooth and effortless runs/farms' to me. If you are Tr and equipped to the gills with raid/rare stuff, then its easy assume such mindset. Only thing you are after is leveling process, not the drama.

Essentially its looking for like-minded people, whatever way you reason, quick/fast/painless runs are more likely to take place in TR group.

[msdesign]

How I do understand you.

And I have a few more examples on that kind of behaviour, as...

- A group created by a wizard, flagged "only for undead with self-heals".
- A group created by a warforged wizzard. When I tried to enter the party with my multiclass elf sorc 4 / cleric 1 / rogue 1, he declined and answered me after I ask why: "your build is junk"
- And the groups "for TR" only.

Well, my advice: ignore that people. Note their names if you want to. In the day you are creating a party and one of them asks to join, you can decline and tell them "you are a TR. My party is for non-TRs only"

[Arnhelm]

not about Ego its abotu finding people who wont out level you after the 1st few quests lol. 1st lifer sneeze and they are 20. I liek to find peopel around my level and try to stay with the same party all the wy to 20 can't do that with 1st lifers unless they willing to hold levels.

Hadn't thought about this before today. Thank you.

[Zyerz]

People who assume having a TR means you're a good player are usually not very good players themselves. It's their own cover so they can at least "look" like they are better than a 28 or 32 pt build. To be honest, I've been in groups where my 32 point build Sword and board pally leads the kill count and doesnt die, while the rest are multiple life TR tanks and end up dying and rarely getting any kills. It's all about how you build your toon, not how many TR levels you have. Anyone can get up to lv 20 and TR... Doesn't take much. It's pretty easy actually. The reason I don't level up my toons as quick as most people do is because I like to enjoy the game, and have fun. Not make it a job.

[jandhaer]

I put it in the lfms so they dont get mad when...

1. I dont babysit them or wait for them at all really if your in you get xp if not too bad run faster. DDO = Mario Kart, zerg FTW

2. You dont have to keep up but you have to stay alive (if that means piking at the beggining its better then loosing me 10% every run)

3. This isnt a LOOT run, Im going from A to B as fast/efficient as possible and dont want to have to sell after every run, get rich when your back at L20 far easier that way.

Basically its saying join if you will make this a faster smoother run if not go away please and ty, or at the very least will not be slowing us down and costing us XP constantly.

[anto_capone]

I do a lot of xp zerg runs. Sometimes I've put 'BYOH, TR's welcome' ect; and I usually end up taking anyone.

Now I don't quite understand a 'TR only' group, but perhaps the meaning of the creation of such a group would be based on XP gains. Meaning, that the 'TR only' group is XP grinding, trying to stay over 1k xp per min, zerging/skipping optionals as pertaining to xp/time, and not waiting around for a healer or specific group makeup.

But I could be wrong. Maybe they just want a lot of lightning bolts for all I know...

[Gremmlynn]

It reads like 'quick, smooth and effortless runs/farms' to me. If you are Tr and equipped to the gills with raid/rare stuff, then its easy assume such mindset. Only thing you are after is leveling process, not the drama.

Essentially its looking for like-minded people, whatever way you reason, quick/fast/painless runs are more likely to take place in TR group.

Really? In my experience, a lot of TRs are in such a hurry to "win" the game, they generally don't take the time to learn how to play. Frankly, the whole mindset that the game is something best gotten past as quickly as possible just tends to reinforce this trend.

[MartinusWyllt]

Sound strange for a Shroud but what I generally think when I see a "TR preferred" or "TR friendly" which are usually how "TR only" tends to be phrased on Thelanis I generally think the expectation is:

1. More likely to know where the quest is.
2. More likely to have a way to heal themselves.
3. Less likely to zerg and die/ragequit. (More likely to successfully zerg if zerging)
4. More likely to have quest-appropriate weapons/pots/wands/spells.
5. Everyone joining will likely be interested in a fast and efficient completion.

(The use of more or less likely relative to the new 1st life player.)

[Lleren]

Really? In my experience, a lot of TRs are in such a hurry to "win" the game, they generally don't take the time to learn how to play. Frankly, the whole mindset that the game is something best gotten past as quickly as possible just tends to reinforce this trend.

That they do not play the game your way, does not mean they do not know how to play the game their way.

Your way and their way may not work well together, and may even look equally unskilled from the other side.

[In_Like_Flynn]

It's the same six threads, over and over.

[Gremmlynn]

Sound strange for a Shroud but what I generally think when I see a "TR preferred" or "TR friendly" which are usually how "TR only" tends to be phrased on Thelanis I generally think the expectation is:

1. More likely to know where the quest is.
2. More likely to have a way to heal themselves.
3. Less likely to zerg and die/ragequit. (More likely to successfully zerg if zerging)
4. More likely to have quest-appropriate weapons/pots/wands/spells.
5. Everyone joining will likely be interested in a fast and efficient completion.

(The use of more or less likely relative to the new 1st life player.)

In my experience, all players, new and old, are 1st life, though I'm sure some will disagree based on their spiritual belief system.

The thing is, not all TRs are played by long time players, just as not all first life characters are played by new players. I myself am a good example of the later, as I've been playing a couple of years, but see absolutely no reason, after reaching level 20 on a character to do it all again with a stronger character (to me it makes about as much sense as the statement; "well we beat the quest on elite, let's do it again and see if we can beat it on casual"). So, "TR only" just makes for a poor filter.

[MartinusWyllt]

... I myself am a good example of the later, as I've been playing a couple of years, but see absolutely no reason, after reaching level 20 on a character to do it all again with a stronger character (to me it makes about as much sense as the statement; "well we beat the quest on elite, let's do it again and see if we can beat it on casual"). So, "TR only" just makes for a poor filter.

I agree it is a poor filter, I don't post those myself, I just don't see them as elitist as other people see them...and I have joined them on non-TR, but it was in "preferred" or "friendly" groups.

While I do want multiple past lives to support crazy builds I do see what you're saying; but then again I like going back through resident evil with the rocket launcher and the tommy gun after finishing the game. Its a different kind of fun.