Monk past life feat rip off

[Talon_Oakenleaf]

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What a rip off! Seriously Devs, I tr'd my monk into an arti on the hopes that my evasion clicky would be worth it. 1 feat for a 20 second evasion and only one per rest? That is utterly dumb and should be fixed. If not get rid of it as it is a waste of code.

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[Thrudh]

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What a rip off! Seriously Devs, I tr'd my monk into an arti on the hopes that my evasion clicky would be worth it. 1 feat for a 20 second evasion and only one per rest? That is utterly dumb and should be fixed. If not get rid of it as it is a waste of code.

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1 per rest is pretty weak.... Probably should be 3/rest...

An artificer is the one class that could find this past-life feat useful (when you need to run through a trap to get to the box on the other side).

[perylousdemon]

Ugh, that sucks. At least the ranger past life feat gives you three casts of barkskin per rest (IIRC, anyway), and by level 20, you only need one of them anyway. To be fair, it does say in the description of the monk past life feat on the compendium that you only get one clicky per rest. "...and can enter an evasive trance once per rest, granting the evasion feat for a short period of time."

[orakio]

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What a rip off! Seriously Devs, I tr'd my monk into an arti on the hopes that my evasion clicky would be worth it. 1 feat for a 20 second evasion and only one per rest? That is utterly dumb and should be fixed. If not get rid of it as it is a waste of code.

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It also increases your hand damage by 1 dice. You are right, the evasion on it is bad, but the feat itself is very useful for monk->monk or multiclass builds that plan on using handwraps.

[Talon_Oakenleaf]

Only took it for the evasion. I agree that it could be useful if you had levels of monk, but i was hoping a pure arti with trap skills wouldn't suck

[Jaid314]

most traps don't need evasion. in fact, the only one i can think of offhand where it is required would be in "A Cabal for One", and is completely unnecessary.

there are a few others where it is nice, but not required, to get past the trap. the vast majority can be run through by a 1 HP character with a saving throw of +0, no resists, no absorption, no protection... provided you do so correctly (of course, there are varying degrees of difficulty in terms of getting through traps unscathed in terms of getting the timing right, positioning, etc, but it generally is entirely possible).

[oweieie]

most traps don't need evasion. in fact, the only one i can think of offhand where it is required would be in "A Cabal for One", and is completely unnecessary.

There are a couple really really low level quests that need it, which I can't remember right now, but I was thinking when I was doing them that it was surprising. Elite traps under level 10 aren't the screw you instant death that higher level ones are though, so you can just walk through them.

[Hobgoblin]

most traps don't need evasion. in fact, the only one i can think of offhand where it is required would be in "A Cabal for One", and is completely unnecessary.

there are a few others where it is nice, but not required, to get past the trap. the vast majority can be run through by a 1 HP character with a saving throw of +0, no resists, no absorption, no protection... provided you do so correctly (of course, there are varying degrees of difficulty in terms of getting through traps unscathed in terms of getting the timing right, positioning, etc, but it generally is entirely possible).

Just as a note -

while it is possible to do this - von 5 is very hard for an arti to do.

hob

[SemiraLynn]

I have the Monk Past Life feat for my Arty and I find I really never use it. The few times I have activated it have mostly been for a general need for evasion and not for anything trap related. I think it could use a bit of a buff but not so much that any character can run around with evasion. Some ideas:

Option 1: Once per rest you can enter an evasive trance for 20 seconds. During this time you gain a +10 Morale bonus to your reflex saves.

Option 2: Once per rest you can enter an evasive trance for [30/40/50/60?] seconds.

Option 3: Three times per rest you can enter an evasive trance for 20 seconds.

[SSFWEl]

most traps don't need evasion. in fact, the only one i can think of offhand where it is required would be in "A Cabal for One", and is completely unnecessary.

there are a few others where it is nice, but not required, to get past the trap. the vast majority can be run through by a 1 HP character with a saving throw of +0, no resists, no absorption, no protection... provided you do so correctly (of course, there are varying degrees of difficulty in terms of getting through traps unscathed in terms of getting the timing right, positioning, etc, but it generally is entirely possible).

Yes yes of course.
Crucible, Monastery, Dust, eTides, Sins, Thrall, Gwylan are some other ones I can think of offhand that a 1HP toon with no evasion can just run through np. Of course, you do indeed just need to know how.

Please people take this advice, evasion is useless.

[-Zephyr-]

Yes yes of course.
Crucible, Monastery, Dust, eTides, Sins, Thrall, Gwylan are some other ones I can think of offhand that a 1HP toon with no evasion can just run through np. Of course, you do indeed just need to know how.

Please people take this advice, evasion is useless.

I'm sorry, but of all the quests you mentionned, monastery is the only one I wouldn't take my arty as the only trapper even at level elite. Because yes, it's possible to disarm all those with nothing but keyboard skills, except that there's that weird gravity screwing your directions in monastery's pit that could prevent your keyboard skills to work.

[Ivan_Milic]

Yes yes of course.
Crucible, Monastery, Dust, eTides, Sins, Thrall, Gwylan are some other ones I can think of offhand that a 1HP toon with no evasion can just run through np. Of course, you do indeed just need to know how.

Please people take this advice, evasion is useless.

I have run through Gwylans at lvl elite(on my 100 hp bard) trap sonic/force trap at the stairs when rogue failed to disarm it.Died 2 times before figuring out how to run through without dying.

[Superspeed_Hi5]

Off hand the Pit Trap in Foundations of Discord may be easier with evasion, other than that for the most part the boxes are generally before the trap. I can only think of a few off hand that dont require you to get too close to the actual trap.

[bruener]

Seems knda worthless to me as well.

Good luck with "A cry for help" without evasion. Wouldn't be the first time I had to hop down and grab the artis stone.

[Alavatar]

I'm sorry, but of all the quests you mentionned, monastery is the only one I wouldn't take my arty as the only trapper even at level elite. Because yes, it's possible to disarm all those with nothing but keyboard skills, except that there's that weird gravity screwing your directions in monastery's pit that could prevent your keyboard skills to work.

The gravity isn't causing you to go off in weird directions, it is the change in elevation on the ceiling.

There is a path on the ceiling that has a very small slope along the edges of the path. If you hit that slope the game sends you off in the direction of the slope and you can't recover (because the game doesn't have an acceleration calculation for air resistance, just a vector calculation from things you bump into). If you follow the path, however, you never hit the slope and you avoid all of the spike traps. I do the ceiling on elite all the time with my characters that don't have Evasion.

That being said, I advocate Artificers splashing Monk or Rogue for Evasion anyways for reasons other than traps (i.e. additional survivability during endgame boss fights).

[Thrudh]

the vast majority can be run through by a 1 HP character with a saving throw of +0, no resists, no absorption, no protection... provided you do so correctly

The vast majority of quests can be run through by a 1 HP character with a saving throw of +0, no resists, no absorption, no protection...
provided you do so correctly.

I still think evasion is useful for a trapper.

[Xeraphim]

Just as a note -

while it is possible to do this - von 5 is very hard for an arti to do.

hob

Indeed. On Epic I find myself scroll healing in every safe spot. My arti is a Pure build, capstoned, so no chance of Evasion.

Get hit once, 60-80% of your bar vanishes. Get hit twice, *ding!*

[oweieie]

I still think evasion is useful for a trapper.

I only roll 1s so I'd need improved evasion.

[deahamlet]

I've done dust and monastery on my arti np. Scroll healed in monastery and either timed jumps well in dust (Cannith boots ftw) or had a capable healer at the top healing me through. We even did it with no trapper on my fvs: collected stones and I used wings to get through :P. The wizard was so badass he made it through with no wings.

Only problem is crucible and that one you're better off with a monk.

[MRMechMan]

Yes yes of course.
Crucible, Monastery, Dust, eTides, Sins, Thrall, Gwylan are some other ones I can think of offhand that a 1HP toon with no evasion can just run through np. Of course, you do indeed just need to know how.

Please people take this advice, evasion is useless.

Ironically none of those need evasion.


Crucible-with high swim and high knowledge, not needed
Monastery-saves are like 55-60 DC on elite anyway, and are all avoidable
dust=sleeping dust?-traps aren't a huge issue there **edit**-probably mean lord of dust, and that one is definitely doable without evasion too! yay!
sins-run it elite fine on 10reflex pure sorc...
thrall-not even needed a little
Gwylan-also not needed kill the dudes fast, and even if you don't can dodge any trap in there


As for the original question, yes, 20seconds of evasion once per rest is really weak.