So whats the verdict? (new epic items)

[Asmodeus451]

So what is eveyrone's verdict/opinion on the new epic items?

me personally, i dont see anything particularly stellar aka nothing i'll be farming for


lets hear your thoughts

[maddmatt70]

The dwarven war axe is the best dwarven war axe in the game and better then the LS2 dwarven war axe. How does the dwarven war axe compare to the LS2 khopesh? Well at least this makes the number folks break out their dps calculators and ponder because it is that sweet. The bastard sword is similiarly good but dwarves get +2 damage with the axe just saying. There are some interesting niche weapons the bow/the umd one handed item/etc..

[Viisari]

Flameward will be awesome as a UMD swappable, armors are ****, those holy weapons look good, blunt bows excel for epics/abbot, the raksasha hide looked pretty good for any light armor AC builds, poison weapons might be decent against trash but useless against many bosses.

So all in all pretty decent I guess?

As a side note, scroll drop rate seemed higher than other epics, a bunch of people took some notes from several different groups and figured it'd be around 1:50 kills in the new quests, seals seem to drop from every chest and shards apparently from each quest end chests including any optional chests (atleast in the final quest, the optional chest for keeping the flame alive dropped a shard for our group).

[Asmodeus451]

so, took a second look and that b-sword is quite nice looking, tho i'd need 2 of them and about 40 tokens (slot one with silver, other adamantine)

the eFlameward is essentially a +8 CHA item, AND has +5 UMD. HOLY @%*&

everyone and their mother is gonna want one of those, Sorcs and bards especially

[tinyelvis]

so, took a second look and that b-sword is quite nice looking, tho i'd need 2 of them and about 40 tokens (slot one with silver, other adamantine)

the eFlameward is essentially a +8 CHA item, AND has +5 UMD. HOLY @%*&

everyone and their mother is gonna want one of those, Sorcs and bards especially

Im guessing you dont play a sorcerer or bard. That item isnt really for a charisma based toon. Its a +9 UMD item for those who need it (typically not bards or sorcerers). Combine that with a heal scroll in a hotbar for example if you are a fighter self healer.

No real loot here for casters again.

[Asmodeus451]

Im guessing you dont play a sorcerer or bard. That item isnt really for a charisma based toon. Its a +9 UMD item for those who need it (typically not bards or sorcerers). Combine that with a heal scroll in a hotbar for example if you are a fighter self healer.

No real loot here for casters again.

i disagree. a single item that provides +8 CHA is great for CHA based toons

[NaturalHazard]

i disagree. a single item that provides +8 CHA is great for CHA based toons

my spellsinger will like this +1 more to dcs yes please!!!!!!

[tinyelvis]

i disagree. a single item that provides +8 CHA is great for CHA based toons

You do realize dont you that you can build a +9 charisma weapon with more bonus effects at 12th level. I think this item was miss labeled. It should have been called,

Staff of healing.

[NaturalHazard]

You do realize dont you that you can build a +9 charisma weapon with more bonus effects at 12th level. I think this item was miss labeled. It should have been called,

Staff of healing.

Do you mean a +6 charisma weapon with a +1 and +2 *exceptional* charisma bonus on it? Because its a different thing to a +9 charisma item.

So this new epic item is really only a +6 charisma item with a +2 exceptional charisma? if thats the case then meh can make a greensteel item or get a tod ring which will give more of a charisma bonus.

I got excited because I saw +8 charisma which is better than my +7 epic edge.

[sweez]

eFrost helm slotted with +1 cha is a +8 cha item... so is an eEdge with a +1 slotted cha.

[Asmodeus451]

Do you mean a +6 charisma weapon with a +1 and +2 *exceptional* charisma bonus on it? Because its a different thing to a +9 charisma item.

So this new epic item is really only a +6 charisma item with a +2 exceptional charisma? if thats the case then meh can make a greensteel item or get a tod ring which will give more of a charisma bonus.

I got excited because I saw +8 charisma which is better than my +7 epic edge.

its actually a +7 with +1 exceptional on the same item. which is EXACTLY the same as +8

[Asmodeus451]

eFrost helm slotted with +1 cha is a +8 cha item... so is an eEdge with a +1 slotted cha.

and the club is a +7+1 AND a red slot still open...........

[sweez]

and the club is a +7+1 AND a red slot still open...........

True, seems like a better eEdge for a bard that doesn't melee a lot I guess. Fire absorb is also nice for eDragon, although the IMPROVED fire resistance has me lost for words lol.

[NaturalHazard]

its actually a +7 with +1 exceptional on the same item. which is EXACTLY the same as +8

I dont think it is exactly the same its a +7 with a +1 exceptional, saying something is +8 is misleading because yes I *did* think wooohooooo +8 with my +1 and +2 exceptional cha from my tod ring whoot +11 to charisma.

+7 and a +1 that doesnt stack with other +1 exceptionals is not Exactly +8.

[Asmodeus451]

True, seems like a better eEdge for a bard that doesn't melee a lot I guess. Fire absorb is also nice for eDragon, although the IMPROVED fire resistance has me lost for words lol.

fire absorb10% +20 resist is still prob more damage mitigation than 30 or even 40 pts of resist. and its also not like 30 pt resist isnt incredibly common



in any case, i'm done arguing the merits of a single item. thats not the purpose of this thread. would love to hear people's thoughts on the other items

[Asmodeus451]

I dont think it is exactly the same its a +7 with a +1 exceptional, saying something is +8 is misleading because yes I *did* think wooohooooo +8 with my +1 and +2 exceptional cha from my tod ring whoot +11 to charisma.

+7 and a +1 that doesnt stack with other +1 exceptionals is not Exactly +8.

ok, you made your point. please see my post above regarding the thread

[NaturalHazard]

ok, you made your point. please see my post above regarding the thread

I don't know it might be more useful for sorcs than bards? they could use take out a tod ring for a epic ring of elemental essence any other good rings for sorcs?

Anyway you made me feel stupid lol getting all excited over +8 charisma like a noob.

I was drooling lol.

[wax_on_wax_off]

I definitely want one of these on my sorcerer. Sorc ToD rings don't come with +1 exceptional charisma so I'm currently using Shard of Xoriat of all things (as I'm not going to slot epic items until I have a final gear set to avoid wasting tokens).

Slot the club with +2 good luck and it becomes a +11 UMD stick, omfg.

I'll be looking for a silver slinger for my Artificer life. A bow of the silver flame for my following archer life (so a ways off).

I'll be looking for an Epic Darkstorm Helm to replace my minos on my PM (not sure where to put heavy fort or toughness in that case though).

I'll be looking for Epic Golden Guile for my unarmed rogue.

Scroll drop rate was good but got pretty skunked as far as seals/shards/base items went, oh well, about to do another run.

[sirgog]

Epic Flameward is obviously good if you aren't yet fully geared, or as an item geared toons swap in when they have death penalties and still need to scrollheal. (You don't want to be that idiot that fails a Heal scroll in epic LOB at a critical time because you have a death penalty or two and you roll a 2+37 on your UMD check).

The shield is best in slot for Defenders in fights where your AC is too low to matter but the boss throws a lot of elemental damage, and also is quite solid as an AC item alongside Epic Chimera's Fang. Great on Cojoined Abashai Devastator, Lailat, any future boss that uses stacking DOTs, Master Artificer titans (if your Balance is extraordinarily high) and no doubt there are other places too. It's also solid all around and probably equal to or slightly better overall than Levik's.

The DWA and Bastard Sword are top-notch.

Darkstorm Helm will fit many Pale Master builds too; depending upon whether or not you use the Mabar robe.


So yeah, there's good stuff. Nothing game-changing though like the eClaw gloves.

[Asmodeus451]

Epic Flameward is obviously good if you aren't yet fully geared, or as an item geared toons swap in when they have death penalties and still need to scrollheal. (You don't want to be that idiot that fails a Heal scroll in epic LOB at a critical time because you have a death penalty or two and you roll a 2+37 on your UMD check).

The shield is best in slot for Defenders in fights where your AC is too low to matter but the boss throws a lot of elemental damage, and also is quite solid as an AC item alongside Epic Chimera's Fang. Great on Cojoined Abashai Devastator, Lailat, any future boss that uses stacking DOTs, Master Artificer titans (if your Balance is extraordinarily high) and no doubt there are other places too. It's also solid all around and probably equal to or slightly better overall than Levik's.

The DWA and Bastard Sword are top-notch.

Darkstorm Helm will fit many Pale Master builds too; depending upon whether or not you use the Mabar robe.


So yeah, there's good stuff. Nothing game-changing though like the eClaw gloves.

how would you compare the B-sword to the eFang, or an Alchemical 3xAir?