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    Default Turbine please hold the Mayo

    Turbine I have been playing this game since the cap was level 10. I have witnessed updates come and go and have always enjoyed myself questing be it in pug or with friends. I have many toons capped and most have many of the finest in epic gear. I have played loyally for about 4-5 hours every day during the week days the past 3 years.

    I came to the conclusion a long time ago that the men & women who design this game and implement the changes in the updates must not really play the game on a regular basis. A lot of the stuff that is implemented into the recent updates has made the game somewhat better but some of the stuff your company does just leaves me confused. I wonder why stuff gets released not finished, broken or not even fully Q.A. tested and why things that have been broken for years never get fixed. I ask myself why Turbine would take a great group co-op MMO that stressed teamwork and growing gameplay and just trash it!

    My home world is G-land and the epic raiding is almost down by 75% if not more and I have had a few of my friends quit the game because your company has sucked the fun right out of most of the higher end / Epic questing.
    Now I’m sure I will be negatively repped and ridiculed by some Turbine fan boys & girls for posting this but never the less I too play & love this game and have the same right to voice my concerns and displeasure with the latest raid fiasco the was put into effect U11.

    Turbine sometimes I wonder if I gave you a jar of peanut butter and a jar of jelly that you would mess up making a PBJ (peanut butter & jelly sandwich) by trying to add Mayo.

    P. S. Sometimes more is not better

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    Quote Originally Posted by micdodge View Post
    Now I’m sure I will be negatively repped and ridiculed by some Turbine fan boys & girls for posting this but never the less I too play & love this game and have the same right to voice my concerns and displeasure with the latest raid fiasco the was put into effect U11.

    Turbine sometimes I wonder if I gave you a jar of peanut butter and a jar of jelly that you would mess up making a PBJ (peanut butter & jelly sandwich) by trying to add Mayo.

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    I wouldn't neg rep you for your opinion, but the above trolling portion of your post is very neg worthy. (I did not neg you though)

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    Quote Originally Posted by micdodge View Post
    Turbine I have been playing this game since the cap was level 10. I have witnessed updates come and go and have always enjoyed myself questing be it in pug or with friends. I have many toons capped and most have many of the finest in epic gear. I have played loyally for about 4-5 hours every day during the week days the past 3 years.

    I came to the conclusion a long time ago that the men & women who design this game and implement the changes in the updates must not really play the game on a regular basis. A lot of the stuff that is implemented into the recent updates has made the game somewhat better but some of the stuff your company does just leaves me confused. I wonder why stuff gets released not finished, broken or not even fully Q.A. tested and why things that have been broken for years never get fixed. I ask myself why Turbine would take a great group co-op MMO that stressed teamwork and growing gameplay and just trash it!

    My home world is G-land and the epic raiding is almost down by 75% if not more and I have had a few of my friends quit the game because your company has sucked the fun right out of most of the higher end / Epic questing.
    Now I’m sure I will be negatively repped and ridiculed by some Turbine fan boys & girls for posting this but never the less I too play & love this game and have the same right to voice my concerns and displeasure with the latest raid fiasco the was put into effect U11.

    Turbine sometimes I wonder if I gave you a jar of peanut butter and a jar of jelly that you would mess up making a PBJ (peanut butter & jelly sandwich) by trying to add Mayo.

    P. S. Sometimes more is not better

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    Mayo is available in the store, but the favor unlock isn't available until U13.

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    Unhappy Be More Specific

    Can you flag a certain change or update you are not pleased with and offer a solution.

    For example:

    Problem: The New UI Interface made it too hard to click on a character who is about to die when I am playing a healer.

    Suggested Solution: Make the red health portion of health bar taller to include the space currently used for the character names and put the character names inside this red portion.

    Bonus: This also fixes the problem of character names getting lost to view if the back drop of the quest is the same color of the character names.

    Two birds with one stone win / win.

    Criticism is only actionable if you are specific and show a way that you feel the problem will be solved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mournbladereigns View Post
    Mayo is available in the store, but the favor unlock isn't available until U13.
    Too Funny!
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    So....hard and elite raiding are up 75%. Big deal.
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    it's either ignorance or apathy.

    either they don't know how or they don't care to
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    I'll accept that they hold the mayo, if I can get extra PrEs on the side.
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    I don't like mayo. My ex's father used to make peanut butter and mayo sandwiches though. I shudder to think about it.

    Wait, this wasn't really about mayo, was it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mournbladereigns View Post
    Mayo is available in the store, but the favor unlock isn't available until U13.
    Wow, that is truly, truly terrible. And I mean that in the best possible way

    (apparently I need to spread rep around more; it's not my fault if the same people keep writing the best posts!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by andrelepine View Post
    Criticism is only actionable if you are specific and show a way that you feel the problem will be solved.
    That's only half correct. You do not have to have the answer to demonstrate something could be done better. From your example, simply stating that the health bars are hard to see which makes healing difficult is all that need be said. If the developer agrees, they are capable of finding a solution. In fact, often times a proposed solution will only cloud the issue. From your example, I think that placing the player names in the health bar would only further obscure it and make it even more difficult to judge how much health a player has.

    Now the discussion has shifted and we appear to be in disagreement even though we both agree the health bars are difficult to interpret. Getting the developer to acknowledge there is a problem that needs to be addressed is 99% of the solution. Having a united front of people in agreement that there is a problem is the most important step. If the developer opts to make a change, it doesn't really matter how or why they made it more readable, just being more readable means everybody wins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by parvo View Post
    So....hard and elite raiding are up 75%. Big deal.
    My home world is G-land and the epic raiding is almost down by 75% if not more and I have had a few of my friends quit the game because your company has sucked the fun right out of most of the higher end / Epic questing.

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    Default All this crying about epic is getting boring

    I mean really its called epic for a reason. It is about time they made it so. Epic is like fighting the Lords of Dust and going toe to toe with the gods. If only 5% of the people can play it and less succeed then its being done correct.

    Not just anybody should be able to achieve epic level.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Feylina View Post
    it's either ignorance or apathy.

    either they don't know how or they don't care to
    Normally I'm all for calling out on how Turbine is doing, but there is one other option you haven't considered. Turbine is not their own company. They are owned by another. Thus this could be the parent company's decision with Turbine being unable to do anything. If so, they are neither ignorant nor apathetic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by andrelepine View Post

    Criticism is only actionable if you are specific and show a way that you feel the problem will be solved.
    That's true for free players.
    I Pay and i want problems solved from people who i pay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by parvo View Post
    So....hard and elite raiding are up 75%. Big deal.
    Certainly not that I've seen. Increased completion time, unchanged droprates (that scaled poorly with difficulty to begin with) -> less incentive to run hard/elite.

    As for actionable criticism: increase in difficulty should come with an increase in droprate. I absolutely support increasing the difficulty on older Raids, but only if it has the effect of reducing grind. All they did was make lousy grinds even worse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sirio.gala View Post
    That's true for free players.
    I Pay and i want problems solved from people who i pay.
    Why do you continue to pay when the problems are not solved?
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    I think it's best to point out the problems and some possible solutions for a fix, but often what players don't know is the actual mechanics/programming that dictates why something might work the way it does.

    For example:
    The dome light in my car wasn't working. When I took it in for an oil change, I asked them to replace the bulb. No problem.

    After picking up my car, I noticed the light still didn't work. I went in and told the technician the light wasn't working.

    He agreed the light wasn't working... because the fuse was blown out.

    I specifically asked to have the lightbulb changed. So that's what they did.
    That is how programmers think. If you give them a specific objective, that's what they do. The key is to state the problem VERY CLEARLY and ask for it to be fixed.

    Players know what they want, but they don't always know the implications of the specific mechanic they are asking for. Will it cause more lag? Will it break something else? Will it take 10 times as long and cost more than doing 20 other fixes?

    The OP is pretty clearly upset with recent changes, but without specifics it's just blowing off steam. Tell us what's got you upset.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryiah View Post
    Why do you continue to pay when the problems are not solved?
    Infact i don't pay anymore.
    But i have so i can still be critical against turbine.
    When all pack i bought will be fixed i'll stop and maybe i'll take some more from the ddo store.

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    It is said that Mayonaisse was invented in Mahón, a city in the beautiful spanish island form Minorca, that at that time was under british rule.

    So, if I read you right, you are supporting the British Empire?
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