6ranger/2rog/12paladin GTWF build! need opinions!

[Espario]

The idea for this build has been lingering in my head forever, i really want to make it. but the low lvls may be very hard for some. but with good gear this build could be great. i choose drow because atm it has stat bonuses to 2/5 stats needed for this build. cha,dex, which are much needed for this. the ranger tempest prestige makes it hit a ton faster and better with TWF, the paladin tank prestige helps with the buffs it gives that increase AC, aswell as the defensive stances tht increase con + str by 3. which helps a ton aswell. a rage item is useful on this build aswell. but remember, the stance dispells any rage effects. the rams might spell does stack with both rage and the stances. a +6 con item and a +6 str and dex item would do this build good. CHA item is optional but is much recomended if you wnt a good lay on hands heal. wands would be used for self heals with this build. and evasion is a bonus that will work with the buffed stats from spells/items/abilities and all that. please leave CONSTRUCTIVE critisizm. no mean stuff please. this is just a build i think could be fun to play. PS. toughness cn be switched for khopesh prof. if its that important to someone. other then tht. i recomend scimys though khopeshs are better IMHO.

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TWF Tempest Evasion build
Level 20 Lawful Good Drow Male
(12 Paladin \ 2 Rogue \ 6 Ranger) 
Hit Points: 354
Spell Points: 226 
BAB: 19\19\24\29\29
Fortitude: 20
Reflex: 21
Will: 11

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(28 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             15                    20
Dexterity            16                    21
Constitution         14                    16
Intelligence         10                    10
Wisdom               11                    12
Charisma             11                    12

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Strength used at level 3
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 3
+1 Tome of Constitution used at level 3
+1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 3
+1 Tome of Charisma used at level 3

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               5                    16
Bluff                 0                     1
Concentration         6                    11
Diplomacy             0                     1
Disable Device        n/a                   n/a
Haggle                0                     3
Heal                  4                    16
Hide                  3                     5
Intimidate            0                     1
Jump                  6                    16
Listen                0                     3
Move Silently         3                     5
Open Lock             n/a                   n/a
Perform               n/a                   n/a
Repair                0                     0
Search                0                     2
Spot                  0                     3
Swim                  6                    16
Tumble                5                    25
Use Magic Device      n/a                   n/a

Level 1 (Ranger)
Skill: Balance (+2)
Skill: Concentration (+4)
Skill: Heal (+4)
Skill: Jump (+4)
Skill: Swim (+4)
Skill: Tumble (+2)
Feat: (Selected) Dodge
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Monstrous Humanoid
Enhancement: Ranger Sprint Boost I
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage I
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Defense I


Level 2 (Ranger)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+0.5)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Swim (+1)
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Resistance I
Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity I


Level 3 (Ranger)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Swim (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Mobility
Enhancement: Elven Dexterity I


Level 4 (Ranger)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Haggle (+0.5)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Swim (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+0.5)
Enhancement: Ranger Sprint Boost II
Enhancement: Elven Enchantment Resistance I
Enhancement: Ranger Swamp Lore I
Enhancement: Ranger Tundra Lore I
Enhancement: Ranger Desert Lore I


Level 5 (Ranger)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Haggle (+0.5)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Swim (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+0.5)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Chaotic Outsider


Level 6 (Ranger)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Haggle (+0.5)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Swim (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Spring Attack
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage II
Enhancement: Ranger Tempest I


Level 7 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+2)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Swim (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+4)
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Attack I
Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity II
Enhancement: Rogue Improved Trap Sense I


Level 8 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+4)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Swim (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+2)
Enhancement: Elven Dexterity II


Level 9 (Paladin)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Tumble (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Enhancement: Follower of the Sovereign Host
Enhancement: Paladin Focus of Good I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I


Level 10 (Paladin)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Paladin Devotion I
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness I


Level 11 (Paladin)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Enhancement: Paladin Bulwark of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Resistance of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands I


Level 12 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Paladin Armor Class Boost I
Enhancement: Paladin Courage of Good I


Level 13 (Paladin)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil II


Level 14 (Paladin)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Sacrifice I
Enhancement: Paladin Exalted Smite I
Enhancement: Paladin Defender of Siberys I
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness II


Level 15 (Paladin)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Improved Heal I
Enhancement: Improved Heal II
Enhancement: Paladin Devotion II


Level 16 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Enhancement: Paladin Bulwark of Good II
Enhancement: Paladin Resistance of Good II


Level 17 (Paladin)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Enhancement: Paladin Redemption I


Level 18 (Paladin)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Enhancement: Unyielding Sovereignty


Level 19 (Paladin)
Skill: Heal (+2)


Level 20 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: CON
Skill: Heal (+2)
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands II
Enhancement: Paladin Defender of Siberys II
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness III

The build can ressurect, self-buff, heal, and do good damage with paladin abilities. also, has good hp. so a +6 con item is recomended to help with them baddies. the AC shld be good with this due to the decent dex bonus and the increases to armour dex bonuses from the tempest and tank prestige. have fun

[BigLlewy]

Sounds like a fun build. Fun should be a priority to your build. Bother all that optimization talk.

[Stanley_Nicholas]

If your main focus is melee, then you would be better off skipping Tempest I and taking paladin to at least 14 levels for Zeal. Tempest I requires 3 whole feats that individually provide you with very little benefit, in exchange for a 5% higher offhand proc rate. Since offhand attacks only get half of your strength bonus added to their damage, that +5% proc rate is really only going to mean +3 or 4% to your damage output.

Contrast that with Zeal, which gives a 10% stacking chance to doublestrike with your main hand (with full str bonus to damage), and that spell alone gives you about 3x the DPS boost of Tempest I. And it doesn't cost you any feats, so that's 3 more feats you can spend on whatever you like, such a Power Attack to even further increase your melee ability.

And at that point, why are you really even taking the ranger levels? An 18/2 pally/rogue or pally/monk will be a considerably better melee, either at DPS or tanking.

[Dragavon]

I agree with the concept, but not the execution

First point is I dont agree with choosing drow (I never do actually, except on wiz/sorc). Drows looks like fugly overgrown smurfs, and a drow do not get enough free build points to make this concept work well.

Second point is way too low charisma. You want 14 base charisma as a bare minimum.

You do not take rogue as first level. Bad choice, you loose so many useful skillpoints that way. Rogue MUST be level one on this build.

I see you do not max out UMD skill. Bad bad bad bad baaaaaaaaaaaad mistake on your part. This character should easily reach 40ish UMD unbuffed. And you also need to max out concentration to avoid beeing interrupted when you heal yourself. Not maxing these two skills will cripple your character. Trust me.

I would choose ooman with these starting stats (32 points):
STR 16
DEX 15
CON 14
INT 10
WIS 8
CHA 14

The best char for this build would be an ooman on its 3rd life

[Phidius]

If your main focus is melee, then you would be better off skipping Tempest I...

I agree - back in the day, Tempest was so worth it for the +10% melee alacrity and the +2 untyped AC bonus. Now that they've shifted all the benefit to Tempest2 but left the cost at Tempest1, it's not a wise purchase.

Still, Spring Attack is pretty nifty - if you didn't have to take Dodge and Mobility, Tempest1 would be worth it.

And at that point, why are you really even taking the ranger levels? An 18/2 pally/rogue or pally/monk will be a considerably better melee, either at DPS or tanking.

Thankfully, Ranger6 brings a lot more than Tempest1. TWF + iTWF, ManyShot, Bow Strength, Ram's Might, Jump/Camo, skill points, reflex+fort saves, Diehard (it's nice when it's free), 2 Favored Enemies w/ +6 damage to them.

Regarding the Op's Build:

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Level 20 Lawful Good Drow Male
(12 Paladin \ 2 Rogue \ 6 Ranger) 
Hit Points: 242
Spell Points: 190 
BAB: 19\19\24\29\29
Fortitude: 17
Reflex: 18
Will: 8

                  Starting          
Abilities        Base Stats         
(28 Point)       (Level 1)          
Strength             15             
Dexterity            16             
Constitution         13             
Intelligence         12             
Wisdom                8             
Charisma             14             

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 11

                   Ending           
                 Base Skills        
Skills           (Level 20)         
Balance               7             
Bluff                 6             
Concentration        23             
Diplomacy             2             
Disable Device       n/a            
Haggle                2             
Heal                 -1             
Hide                 16             
Intimidate            2             
Jump                  4             
Listen               -1             
Move Silently        16             
Open Lock             7             
Perform              n/a            
Repair                1             
Search                1             
Spot                 15             
Swim                  7             
Tumble                4             
Use Magic Device     25             

Level 1 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+4)
Skill: Bluff (+4)
Skill: Concentration (+2)
Skill: Hide (+4)
Skill: Move Silently (+4)
Skill: Open Lock (+4)
Skill: Spot (+4)
Skill: Swim (+3)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+4)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 2 (Paladin)
Skill: Concentration (+3)


Level 3 (Paladin)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack


Level 4 (Ranger)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+2)


Level 5 (Ranger)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Hide (+2)
Skill: Move Silently (+2)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 6 (Paladin)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Piercing Weapons


Level 7 (Paladin)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 8 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 9 (Ranger)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Spot (+2)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Piercing Weapons


Level 10 (Ranger)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Spot (+2)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 11 (Ranger)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Spot (+2)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 12 (Ranger)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Spot (+2)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting


Level 13 (Rogue)
Skill: Hide (+2)
Skill: Move Silently (+2)
Skill: Spot (+4)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 14 (Paladin)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 15 (Paladin)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell


Level 16 (Paladin)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 17 (Paladin)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 18 (Paladin)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Quick Draw


Level 19 (Paladin)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 20 (Paladin)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)

Enhancements: Your choice of Paladin PrE, but I recommend Hunter of the Dead until you get better geared.

I do think, however, that you'd be better off with 12 cleric instead of Paladin.

[Espario]

I agree with the concept, but not the execution

First point is I dont agree with choosing drow (I never do actually, except on wiz/sorc). Drows looks like fugly overgrown smurfs, and a drow do not get enough free build points to make this concept work well.

Second point is way too low charisma. You want 14 base charisma as a bare minimum.

You do not take rogue as first level. Bad choice, you loose so many useful skillpoints that way. Rogue MUST be level one on this build.

I see you do not max out UMD skill. Bad bad bad bad baaaaaaaaaaaad mistake on your part. This character should easily reach 40ish UMD unbuffed. And you also need to max out concentration to avoid beeing interrupted when you heal yourself. Not maxing these two skills will cripple your character. Trust me.

I would choose ooman with these starting stats (32 points):
STR 16
DEX 15
CON 14
INT 10
WIS 8
CHA 14

The best char for this build would be an ooman on its 3rd life

you are aware, WIS is REQUIRED to cast any ranger/paladin spells >,> 8 wont cut it. and my paladin lvl 14 runs with 12cha and uses a +6 item and has no problem healing 200+ on his lay on hands.

[Espario]

Sounds like a fun build. Fun should be a priority to your build. Bother all that optimization talk.

i agree, also is the main reason why ever since i started playing, ive been experimenting with builds

[Phidius]

you are aware, WIS is REQUIRED to cast any ranger/paladin spells >,> 8 wont cut it. and my paladin lvl 14 runs with 12cha and uses a +6 item and has no problem healing 200+ on his lay on hands.

A Wisdom item counts toward the requirement for wisdom. A charisma item does not count towards the requirement for Divine Might.

With a Charisma of 14, you can get Divine Might 2 with a +2 tome. Besides, a paladin gets more from charisma than just Lay On Hands.

[flaggson]

you are aware, WIS is REQUIRED to cast any ranger/paladin spells >,> 8 wont cut it. and my paladin lvl 14 runs with 12cha and uses a +6 item and has no problem healing 200+ on his lay on hands.

actually an 8 would cut it... it doesn't have to be a natural score in order to cast spells... it's a score that includes items tomes.. whatever.....

to cast any spell you need a 10 + the level of the spell ... so for lvl 4 ranger ... or paladin spells... you would need a 14 to cast the highest level of the spells

starting with an 8 wisdom.... 8 +6 item.... that already =14 enough to cast the highest level spells you can cast... add in a +2 tome and your at 16... +2 guild buff 18... now your already well above what you "need" in order to cast ... starting with an 8 wisdom is a perfectly viable way to go on either a ranger or a paladin .... in ddo

now if this was pen and paper... it would be a completely different story.

[Dragavon]

you are aware, WIS is REQUIRED to cast any ranger/paladin spells >,> 8 wont cut it. and my paladin lvl 14 runs with 12cha and uses a +6 item and has no problem healing 200+ on his lay on hands.

Your point has been answered more than adequately above, by players who are aware of more than you about DDO

Raising wisdom above 8 on creation on a ranger/paladin is wasting valuable build points.

[Espario]

here, i changed it a slight bit based on some of ya'alls advice. oh and whoever redid this build and posted it. im to lazy to quote it. but you do notice your redone version has 100hp less then my original one. for a front line melee you cannot survive off of 250 base hp.

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TWF Tempest Evasion build
Level 20 Lawful Good Drow Male
(12 Paladin \ 2 Rogue \ 6 Ranger) 
Hit Points: 354
Spell Points: 190 
BAB: 19\19\24\29\29
Fortitude: 21
Reflex: 22
Will: 10

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(28 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             15                    20
Dexterity            16                    21
Constitution         14                    16
Intelligence         10                    10
Wisdom                8                     9
Charisma             14                    15

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Strength used at level 3
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 3
+1 Tome of Constitution used at level 3
+1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 3
+1 Tome of Charisma used at level 3

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               5                    16
Bluff                 2                     2
Concentration         6                    11
Diplomacy             2                     2
Disable Device        n/a                   n/a
Haggle                2                     4
Heal                  3                    14
Hide                  3                     5
Intimidate            2                     2
Jump                  6                    16
Listen               -1                     1
Move Silently         3                     5
Open Lock             n/a                   n/a
Perform               n/a                   n/a
Repair                0                     0
Search                0                     2
Spot                 -1                     1
Swim                  6                    16
Tumble                5                    25
Use Magic Device      n/a                   n/a

Level 1 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Dodge
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Monstrous Humanoid
Enhancement: Ranger Sprint Boost I
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage I
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Defense I


Level 2 (Ranger)
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Resistance I
Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity I


Level 3 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Mobility
Enhancement: Elven Dexterity I


Level 4 (Ranger)
Ability Raise: STR
Enhancement: Ranger Sprint Boost II
Enhancement: Elven Enchantment Resistance I
Enhancement: Ranger Swamp Lore I
Enhancement: Ranger Tundra Lore I
Enhancement: Ranger Desert Lore I


Level 5 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Chaotic Outsider


Level 6 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Spring Attack
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage II
Enhancement: Ranger Tempest I


Level 7 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Attack I
Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity II
Enhancement: Rogue Improved Trap Sense I


Level 8 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: STR
Enhancement: Elven Dexterity II


Level 9 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Enhancement: Follower of the Sovereign Host
Enhancement: Paladin Focus of Good I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I


Level 10 (Paladin)
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Paladin Devotion I
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness I


Level 11 (Paladin)
Enhancement: Paladin Bulwark of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Resistance of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands I


Level 12 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Paladin Armor Class Boost I
Enhancement: Paladin Courage of Good I


Level 13 (Paladin)
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil II


Level 14 (Paladin)
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Sacrifice I
Enhancement: Paladin Exalted Smite I
Enhancement: Paladin Defender of Siberys I
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness II


Level 15 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Improved Heal I
Enhancement: Improved Heal II
Enhancement: Paladin Devotion II


Level 16 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: STR
Enhancement: Paladin Bulwark of Good II
Enhancement: Paladin Resistance of Good II


Level 17 (Paladin)
Enhancement: Paladin Redemption I


Level 18 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Enhancement: Unyielding Sovereignty


Level 19 (Paladin)


Level 20 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: CON
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands II
Enhancement: Paladin Defender of Siberys II
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness III

[Dragavon]

Still no UMD or concentration?

Believe me when I say that maxing out those two skills is going to make a world of difference to your character.

[Crann]

im to lazy to quote it. but you do notice your redone version has 100hp less then my original one. for a front line melee you cannot survive off of 250 base hp.

His version in the planner doesnt have the enhancements added or tome usage, which explains the disparity in the HP totals. I am pretty sure he has a little experience with endgame front line melees, and what the HP requirements are.

[Espario]

Still no UMD or concentration?

Believe me when I say that maxing out those two skills is going to make a world of difference to your character.

does not need UMD. and i stoped maxing my clerics conc at 20 and he himself was lvl 20 before i deleted him. he didnt fail conc checks either. and the build cn alerady use healing wands and any wands tht are divine due to being ranger and paladin.

[Dragavon]

does not need UMD. and i stoped maxing my clerics conc at 20 and he himself was lvl 20 before i deleted him. he didnt fail conc checks either. and the build cn alerady use healing wands and any wands tht are divine due to being ranger and paladin.

Well, if wands and no concentration is enough for you at lvl 20 then go ahead

[Beld]

There is no reason for rogue....other than not having access to Monk.

You get an extra feat, WIZ bonus to AC on top of the DEX bonus and better saves, while still getting evasion.

It's a fun build, my sig toon was the fastest toon I ever level'd to 20, but am having a seriously hard time finding the gear for the AC and DPS that I want him to have, but part of that is my limited play time due to work/RL issues.

Good luck, but I would consider the monk splash instead of the rogue since you seem to only be using it for Evasion and Tumble.

[Phidius]

here, i changed it a slight bit based on some of ya'alls advice. oh and whoever redid this build and posted it. im to lazy to quote it. but you do notice your redone version has 100hp less then my original one. for a front line melee you cannot survive off of 250 base hp.

...

Actually, since you took Toughness twice, your build will have 22 more HP than the one I posted. I personally find feats to be worth far more than 22 HP, but it's your build. However, spending 3 feats to get a 10% more offhand attacks, but not getting Power Attack seems a little backward. I'd say your 2nd Toughness should be swapped for Power Attack.

I'd swap Favored Enemy: Chaotic Outsider for Evil Outsider - you get more that way. Monstrous Humanoid is OK, I guess - I've found that Elementals are typically more prevalent and a pain than MH.

I'd also switch Improved Crit: Slashing for Piercing, seeing as you get racial enhancements to rapiers and short swords.

UMD isn't a need - it's a convenience. A very powerful, versatile convenience that is worth making a few sacrifices for. Instead of spending spell points to heal yourself for ~40 HP, or whipping a wand like a epileptic conductor, or using one of your LOH, you can hit a heal scroll once and done.

If your cleric didn't fail concentration checks, he either had Quicken on 24/7, or never played challenging content. If that's your choice, that's fine - I enjoy pwning lower level content myself.

[Phidius]

His version in the planner doesnt have the enhancements added or tome usage, which explains the disparity in the HP totals. I am pretty sure he has a little experience with endgame front line melees, and what the HP requirements are.

Not really - I have tons of experience with endgame front line battlecasters, though

[junior_w]

Hello OP I did this sample build, if you skip Tempest you free 3 feats.

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Level 20 Lawful Good Drow Male
(12 Paladin \ 2 Rogue \ 6 Ranger) 
Hit Points: 322
Spell Points: 230 
BAB: 19\19\24\29\29
Fortitude: 19
Reflex: 20
Will: 9

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats         Base Stats         Modified Stats
(28 Point)       (Level 1)          (Level 20)           (Level 20)
Strength             16                 22                   22
Dexterity            16                 17                   18
Constitution         13                 14                   14
Intelligence         10                 10                   10
Wisdom                8                  9                    9
Charisma             14                 14                   16

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Strength used at level 4
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 4
+1 Tome of Constitution used at level 4
+1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 4

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               7                     9
Bluff                 2                     3
Concentration         3                    12
Diplomacy             2                     3
Disable Device        4                     4
Haggle                2                     3
Heal                 -1                    -1
Hide                  3                     4
Intimidate            2                     3
Jump                  6                    13
Listen               -1                     1
Move Silently         3                     4
Open Lock             7                    19
Perform               n/a                   n/a
Repair                0                     0
Search                4                     6
Spot                  3                     5
Swim                  3                     6
Tumble                4                     5
Use Magic Device      6                    25

Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 2 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Undead


Level 3 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack


Level 4 (Ranger)


Level 5 (Ranger)


Level 6 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Khopesh
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Evil Outsider


Level 7 (Ranger)


Level 8 (Paladin)


Level 9 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons


Level 10 (Paladin)


Level 11 (Paladin)


Level 12 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting


Level 13 (Paladin)


Level 14 (Paladin)


Level 15 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Oversized Two Weapon Fighting


Level 16 (Paladin)


Level 17 (Paladin)


Level 18 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell


Level 19 (Paladin)


Level 20 (Paladin)
Enhancement: Paladin Attack Boost I
Enhancement: Paladin Attack Boost II
Enhancement: Paladin Attack Boost III
Enhancement: Paladin Attack Boost IV
Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost I
Enhancement: Ranger Sprint Boost I
Enhancement: Ranger Swamp Lore I
Enhancement: Ranger Tundra Lore I
Enhancement: Ranger Desert Lore I
Enhancement: Follower of the Sovereign Host
Enhancement: Paladin Item Defense I
Enhancement: Paladin Courage of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Courage of Good II
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Sacrifice I
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Sacrifice II
Enhancement: Paladin Exalted Smite I
Enhancement: Paladin Exalted Smite II
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands II
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil II
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil III
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil IV
Enhancement: Paladin Knight of the Chalice I
Enhancement: Paladin Knight of the Chalice II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Attack I
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage I
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Enhancement: Paladin Energy of the Templar I
Enhancement: Paladin Energy of the Templar II
Enhancement: Paladin Charisma I
Enhancement: Paladin Charisma II
Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity I
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness I
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness II
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness III
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness IV
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Might I

Total HP
322 with Toughness enhancements
60 +6 Con Item
30 Greater False Life item
--------------------------------
412 with basic gear

The Rage Spell/Potion gives +20hp.

If you have access to Necro IV, Vale of Twiligt and Gianthold

20 Minos Legens
45 Shroud Hp item
10 150 Argonessen favor
-------------------------------
487hp with some grind

If you have Devils of Shavarath you can get exceptional CON in your Ring.

does not need UMD. and i stoped maxing my clerics conc at 20 and he himself was lvl 20 before i deleted him. he didnt fail conc checks either. and the build cn alerady use healing wands and any wands tht are divine due to being ranger and paladin.

UMD is not only about using cure wands, with a nice UMD score you can use Heal, Fireshield, Greater Heroism, Resurrection and Teleport scrolls, besides that you also can bypass gear restriction.

[Espario]

Hello OP I did this sample build, if you skip Tempest you free 3 feats.

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Level 20 Lawful Good Drow Male
(12 Paladin \ 2 Rogue \ 6 Ranger) 
Hit Points: 322
Spell Points: 230 
BAB: 19\19\24\29\29
Fortitude: 19
Reflex: 20
Will: 9

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats         Base Stats         Modified Stats
(28 Point)       (Level 1)          (Level 20)           (Level 20)
Strength             16                 22                   22
Dexterity            16                 17                   18
Constitution         13                 14                   14
Intelligence         10                 10                   10
Wisdom                8                  9                    9
Charisma             14                 14                   16

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Strength used at level 4
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 4
+1 Tome of Constitution used at level 4
+1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 4

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               7                     9
Bluff                 2                     3
Concentration         3                    12
Diplomacy             2                     3
Disable Device        4                     4
Haggle                2                     3
Heal                 -1                    -1
Hide                  3                     4
Intimidate            2                     3
Jump                  6                    13
Listen               -1                     1
Move Silently         3                     4
Open Lock             7                    19
Perform               n/a                   n/a
Repair                0                     0
Search                4                     6
Spot                  3                     5
Swim                  3                     6
Tumble                4                     5
Use Magic Device      6                    25

Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 2 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Undead


Level 3 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack


Level 4 (Ranger)


Level 5 (Ranger)


Level 6 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Khopesh
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Evil Outsider


Level 7 (Ranger)


Level 8 (Paladin)


Level 9 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons


Level 10 (Paladin)


Level 11 (Paladin)


Level 12 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting


Level 13 (Paladin)


Level 14 (Paladin)


Level 15 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Oversized Two Weapon Fighting


Level 16 (Paladin)


Level 17 (Paladin)


Level 18 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell


Level 19 (Paladin)


Level 20 (Paladin)
Enhancement: Paladin Attack Boost I
Enhancement: Paladin Attack Boost II
Enhancement: Paladin Attack Boost III
Enhancement: Paladin Attack Boost IV
Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost I
Enhancement: Ranger Sprint Boost I
Enhancement: Ranger Swamp Lore I
Enhancement: Ranger Tundra Lore I
Enhancement: Ranger Desert Lore I
Enhancement: Follower of the Sovereign Host
Enhancement: Paladin Item Defense I
Enhancement: Paladin Courage of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Courage of Good II
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Sacrifice I
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Sacrifice II
Enhancement: Paladin Exalted Smite I
Enhancement: Paladin Exalted Smite II
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands II
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil II
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil III
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil IV
Enhancement: Paladin Knight of the Chalice I
Enhancement: Paladin Knight of the Chalice II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Attack I
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage I
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Enhancement: Paladin Energy of the Templar I
Enhancement: Paladin Energy of the Templar II
Enhancement: Paladin Charisma I
Enhancement: Paladin Charisma II
Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity I
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness I
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness II
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness III
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness IV
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Might I

Total HP
322 with Toughness enhancements
60 +6 Con Item
30 Greater False Life item
--------------------------------
412 with basic gear

The Rage Spell/Potion gives +20hp.

If you have access to Necro IV, Vale of Twiligt and Gianthold

20 Minos Legens
45 Shroud Hp item
10 150 Argonessen favor
-------------------------------
487hp with some grind

If you have Devils of Shavarath you can get exceptional CON in your Ring.



UMD is not only about using cure wands, with a nice UMD score you can use Heal, Fireshield, Greater Heroism, Resurrection and Teleport scrolls, besides that you also can bypass gear restriction.

the build requires tempest plus. every one says its not worht the 3 feat loss. if you look at it you actualy dont loose any feats, from being 6 ranger you are given more then 3 feats such as some needed ones anyway like TWF and ITWF which leaves you only using 1 feat anyway. plus diehard which occasionaly is a party saver, also many shot, bow str, rapid shot, making the build relativly good at hitting enemies that arent the most reachable, also gives you gives you +2 dex from action pt spending added with teh other +2 from elven dex. so with tempest your gaining a lot more then ur spending. well worth it and its permenent it doesnt have to be cast like the lvl 14 paladins pell. i do not use UMD alot. the build cn ressurect as it is and if needed it cn take waay teh soverign host and isntead take the elven bonus thingy which gives a free rez every 10 minutes. paladin only gets +2 skill pts a lvl. so all of tht would have to go UMD should i attempt to max it out. it all depends on playing style. and whts good for you may nt always be good for others.