Speak up, dont be shy

[Ryan220]

This topic has been flogged like an extremely deadhorse but Im going to bring it up once again in the hope that it might change things.


My TR is at level for running Tempests Spine and has run it a few times over the last few days.


Everytime I join group I always ask if its anyones first time or if anyones not familiar and always no replies.


As soon as we step in people are running off in all directions and....well, you know the story



Please PLEASE, let someone know if youre unfamiliar with a quest. Many people (myself included) dont mind helping people along, after all we were all new to quests once (my memory is so poor that many quests are like my first time everytime).


But, not to speak up is really frustrating for everyone.


If the LFM doesnt mention zerg or know it etc, then the leader is most likely happy to have you along and will help you out if you speak up.



We are all here to have fun - help us to help you

:-)

[mindlessdrone1991]

This topic has been flogged like an extremely deadhorse but Im going to bring it up once again in the hope that it might change things.


My TR is at level for running Tempests Spine and has run it a few times over the last few days.


Everytime I join group I always ask if its anyones first time or if anyones not familiar and always no replies.


As soon as we step in people are running off in all directions and....well, you know the story



Please PLEASE, let someone know if youre unfamiliar with a quest. Many people (myself included) dont mind helping people along, after all we were all new to quests once (my memory is so poor that many quests are like my first time everytime).


But, not to speak up is really frustrating for everyone.


If the LFM doesnt mention zerg or know it etc, then the leader is most likely happy to have you along and will help you out if you speak up.



We are all here to have fun - help us to help you

:-)

^ This.

[Vint]

I completely agree. I was once willing to help and would go out of my way to help anyone in need. As of late a larger majority of players don't want to take advice or construcitve critizim. It becomes very frustrating to play as long as I have, and still have people in groups that refuse to be accountable. Sure they might know everything about a quest or might even be brand new to the quest, it would be very considerate of them to at least ask for help, or follow simple directions.

I know it is a game and you can hide behind the anonimity of your actions, but when someone (elitest, jerk, zerjer, wont listen to the leader, etc...) ruins time of 5 or 11 other people it gets very annoying.

You can give me 5 fresh people of the boat, and I will lead them thru ww and have fun. I am all for helping people that actually are willing to listen and are willing to take my time seriously. If you give me a person that dosen't show concern for my time, why the hell should I care about them?

There are a ton of people that like to post on the forums about "help the newbs", which I am for, but I'll be damned if I will spend another Saturday afternoon wasting my breath on an idiot that can't follow simple instructions.

[BoolZ]

Most experiences I've had with this subject are the complete opposite. Saw I guy get kicked from a 'Pikers Fate' because the leader didn't want to 'teach'. I saw a Shroud group who 'Didn't have the Star' and 'Had the Star' told the newbie different instructions in part2, and we didn't get the crystal until part 2.4.

I agree people should speak up, but they shouldn't be punished for being new.

[Xatasha]

My advice is just assume that there is someone in your group that is new and explain things in detail...when doing pugs. Also expect the worst and hope for the best.

New players often will not say anything when asked if they are new since they might be kicked or end up the butt of jokes. Yes there are many nice people that love helping however just as many trolls looking for a reason to attack.

[badkhan]

My take on this topic, as a newbie, is that it's really important to send a tell to the group leader before you ask to join his group, when you don't know the quest/raid. (Especially true for quests after level 12/14, when doing something wrong can mean put the whole group into trouble). I always ask :"Hello is it ok for a first timer to join your group ?"

I have been kicked from PUGs many times for saying it was "my 1st time on this quest". It's not fun and it's a frustrating feeling. You wonder "what is wrong with this guy? why being rude ?". BTW, I never even join "byoh" or "know it dont die" kind of LFMs even if i know the quest. I figured i probably was better off not running with these rude Vet/TRs. It's a game after all.

There were exceptions to that and it's the Shroud, ToD and Hound raids. Leaders always want people that "know what they are doing" and even if i send a nice tell to the leader i have never been accepted in one of these raids this way. So i "sneaked" my way into these raids, not telling anyone i was a newbie. Playing a bard (people mostly expect you to sing and haste/rage and that's it) maybe helped me here. I tried to stick to the leader and did everything i could not to die. It went well and i've never been caught doing "something wrong". I just died once in my first ToD but i wasn't the only one and i was raised soon. These were also the most exiting DDO experiences for me ^^. First time ToD when you dont want to get caught dying or doing something wrong (but you dont want to pick either) guaranties a nice adrenalin rush !

My guild is quite small, with a lot of newbie and only a few veterans. When they're online, they come to the raids with me and send me tell to explain what is going on, but i'm lucky i have them, not all newbie know helpful experienced players i guess.

Something that surprised me is the cheer amount a newbies that obviously have no idea what they are doing, are not self sufficient at all and, even when the leader ask if there is someone new, will not tell it. These are the same people that run off and get killed really fast. So i understand experienced players want to be careful with who they will group with. (Off topic but i noticed half of them play monk, maybe i'm wrong but i've learned to be very careful when following a HOrc Monk that rushes ahead of everyone : these guys die and ragequite a lot !)

But please : if someone sends you a tell saying he's new but he'll be careful, please consider accepting him, even in your raids

[Syllph]

Make a party where you are the leader. When Everyone enters don't ask if it's their first time. Simply Start taking command.

Tell who's casting what, who's running where and let them know what's happening. Put something of this effect in the LFM.

[Durakal]

My experience is if you say you are not familiar with a quest you get booted. Many of us want to take the time to learn the quest but few are willing to teach.

[Ryan220]

My experience is if you say you are not familiar with a quest you get booted. Many of us want to take the time to learn the quest but few are willing to teach.

I wouldnt ever boot anyone from being new.


We were all new once. Even as a TR my exp isnt so important that I would spoil someone elses fun.

[gerardIII]

Your mistake is you assume people who don't tell you it's their first time in Tempest Spine read the forums.
That is all.

This topic has been flogged like an extremely deadhorse but Im going to bring it up once again in the hope that it might change things.

My TR is at level for running Tempests Spine and has run it a few times over the last few days.
Everytime I join group I always ask if its anyones first time or if anyones not familiar and always no replies.
As soon as we step in people are running off in all directions and....well, you know the story

Please PLEASE, let someone know if youre unfamiliar with a quest. Many people (myself included) dont mind helping people along, after all we were all new to quests once (my memory is so poor that many quests are like my first time everytime).
But, not to speak up is really frustrating for everyone.

If the LFM doesnt mention zerg or know it etc, then the leader is most likely happy to have you along and will help you out if you speak up.

We are all here to have fun - help us to help you
:-)

Compact version. Don't need 2 CRLF after each sentence.

[Ryan220]

Your mistake is you assume people who don't tell you it's their first time in Tempest Spine read the forums.
That is all.



Compact version. Don't need 2 CRLF after each sentence.

Sorry about the 2CR.

I post from my phone and it all looks too compact otherwise

But I didnt think it was that much of a problem?

[jaegarnel]

My take on this topic, as a newbie, is that it's really important to send a tell to the group leader before you ask to join his group, when you don't know the quest/raid. (Especially true for quests after level 12/14, when doing something wrong can mean put the whole group into trouble). I always ask :"Hello is it ok for a first timer to join your group ?"

I have been kicked from PUGs many times for saying it was "my 1st time on this quest". It's not fun and it's a frustrating feeling. You wonder "what is wrong with this guy? why being rude ?". BTW, I never even join "byoh" or "know it dont die" kind of LFMs even if i know the quest. I figured i probably was better off not running with these rude Vet/TRs. It's a game after all.

There were exceptions to that and it's the Shroud, ToD and Hound raids. Leaders always want people that "know what they are doing" and even if i send a nice tell to the leader i have never been accepted in one of these raids this way. So i "sneaked" my way into these raids, not telling anyone i was a newbie. Playing a bard (people mostly expect you to sing and haste/rage and that's it) maybe helped me here. I tried to stick to the leader and did everything i could not to die. It went well and i've never been caught doing "something wrong". I just died once in my first ToD but i wasn't the only one and i was raised soon. These were also the most exiting DDO experiences for me ^^. First time ToD when you dont want to get caught dying or doing something wrong (but you dont want to pick either) guaranties a nice adrenalin rush !

My guild is quite small, with a lot of newbie and only a few veterans. When they're online, they come to the raids with me and send me tell to explain what is going on, but i'm lucky i have them, not all newbie know helpful experienced players i guess.

Something that surprised me is the cheer amount a newbies that obviously have no idea what they are doing, are not self sufficient at all and, even when the leader ask if there is someone new, will not tell it. These are the same people that run off and get killed really fast. So i understand experienced players want to be careful with who they will group with. (Off topic but i noticed half of them play monk, maybe i'm wrong but i've learned to be very careful when following a HOrc Monk that rushes ahead of everyone : these guys die and ragequite a lot !)

But please : if someone sends you a tell saying he's new but he'll be careful, please consider accepting him, even in your raids

I've never been booted for being new, or seen someone be booted for being new.

Most quests I've soloed on normal before PUGing them, but for raids where the leader actually asked if people were new, I always said so and got a nice tutorial for my first Shroud, and a good explanation of what I should be doing in VoD, VoN, Reaver and HoX. Shroud leaders who want people who "know what they are doing" must be doing something wrong, imo, since the raid is easy on normal.
I haven't done ToD yet, since PUGs are rather rare for Amrath quests and I'm still in the process of flagging for it, but I expect that as long as I have the boots, leaders of a normal run won't care that I'm new.

If you don't know anything about the raid, it's likely the more experienced people will figure it out anyway, so it's better to admit it right away. It might help you avoid doing stupid things that will get you into people's "friends" list.

[Hambo]

Sorry about the 2CR.

I post from my phone and it all looks too compact otherwise

But I didnt think it was that much of a problem?

Better that than a deadly wall of text, where some people don't even put a space after a period (let alone two, as is standard in many professional documents), or even begin a new paragraph when stating a different point.

[Arnhelm]

Everytime I join group I always ask if its anyones first time or if anyones not familiar and always no replies.


As soon as we step in people are running off in all directions and....well, you know the story

Against stupidity, the gods themselves contend in vain.

[Victorhammer]

But the kids do not want to speak up when they get into the quest because then you can hear that they are young kids. *kids* just wana have fun. And so off they go on their merry way.

[Zillee]

Hmm. When I started DDO I knew to speak up because - well, I read the forums like crazy when I joined looking for clues on how to play this weirdly addictive game - and saying you were new was part of each thread that advised new players. But my experience was that it didn't make a jot of difference until I got to the lvl 16+ quests/raids. As soon as I hit the vale, then people were more willing to explain stuff but prior to that I just had to try to keep up and not die. May be I was just unlucky and hit the wrong pugs up to that point? Dunno.

I do remember having some pretty dire experiences in the sands that almost made me quit and I did take a bit of a break because it just wasn't fun being new to a quest there. What I ended up doing was just gritting my teeth to get through that part, get the xp to level and then going back later on to redo them with a pocket healer so I could learn them. And yeah, watching the vids on youtube and reading the wiki guides helped out also with that. But I didn't expect to have to do so much 'homework' for a game

But sure, I would still advocate speaking up if you're new. At least there is a chance that someone will throw you advice or guidance, as opposed to no chance if you say nothing.

[Lanuric]

I can remember being a newbie all those years ago. Grabbing fire resist potions and not fire protect for my first ever Tempest Spine. Spending my first 15 minutes in the bag of a party member till we hit the shrine. And the lack of support for my ranger, denied joining groups because people "couldnt play rangers", or rangers were a crappy class. But over time, people learned some of us were good at playing rangers. As was said previously, I forget some of the quest content/method. But always happy to help out new people in quests, because I remember the rejection I got as a newbie. Lets see all the elitists and uber zergers first few runs as newbies......guarenteed they made plenty of mistakes before they got to where they are. Its a game, and the point of a game is fun.

As I said in a Genesis Point run I joined when the others were at the end (and they were struggling to complete it) anyone can have a good clean run. Its how you handle the ones that go fubar that tests you, and those are usually the most fun, because you have to think more than follow strict orders. And that brings us back again to the point of the game........fun!

[ThePrisoner]

Tempest Spine is a raid made for grease. The mad dash to the fire reaver, the sudden outdoor cliff, the end fight, new players, cranky "pros" - it's the perfect storm.

Embrace this fact, invest in a clicky, and begin enjoying the quest much more.


AGW.
Welcome.

[perylousdemon]

I remember running ToD for the first time. I managed to get into a PUG even after I sent the leader a tell saying I was new to the raid. Everyone--leader included--explained things every step of the way for me, and we owned Horoth.

[KillEveryone]

My take on this topic, as a newbie, is that it's really important to send a tell to the group leader before you ask to join his group, when you don't know the quest/raid. (Especially true for quests after level 12/14, when doing something wrong can mean put the whole group into trouble). I always ask :"Hello is it ok for a first timer to join your group ?"

I have been kicked from PUGs many times for saying it was "my 1st time on this quest". It's not fun and it's a frustrating feeling. You wonder "what is wrong with this guy? why being rude ?". BTW, I never even join "byoh" or "know it dont die" kind of LFMs even if i know the quest. I figured i probably was better off not running with these rude Vet/TRs. It's a game after all.

There were exceptions to that and it's the Shroud, ToD and Hound raids. Leaders always want people that "know what they are doing" and even if i send a nice tell to the leader i have never been accepted in one of these raids this way. So i "sneaked" my way into these raids, not telling anyone i was a newbie. Playing a bard (people mostly expect you to sing and haste/rage and that's it) maybe helped me here. I tried to stick to the leader and did everything i could not to die. It went well and i've never been caught doing "something wrong". I just died once in my first ToD but i wasn't the only one and i was raised soon. These were also the most exiting DDO experiences for me ^^. First time ToD when you dont want to get caught dying or doing something wrong (but you dont want to pick either) guaranties a nice adrenalin rush !

My guild is quite small, with a lot of newbie and only a few veterans. When they're online, they come to the raids with me and send me tell to explain what is going on, but i'm lucky i have them, not all newbie know helpful experienced players i guess.

Something that surprised me is the cheer amount a newbies that obviously have no idea what they are doing, are not self sufficient at all and, even when the leader ask if there is someone new, will not tell it. These are the same people that run off and get killed really fast. So i understand experienced players want to be careful with who they will group with. (Off topic but i noticed half of them play monk, maybe i'm wrong but i've learned to be very careful when following a HOrc Monk that rushes ahead of everyone : these guys die and ragequite a lot !)

But please : if someone sends you a tell saying he's new but he'll be careful, please consider accepting him, even in your raids

I've never been booted, never have booted anyone, never will boot anyone for being new.

I just want to know if you are new.