pvp exploit

[Veriden]

Melees beware, sorc savant3 of ice does not need line of sight and can go through the walls in pvp areas so they can hide behind the wall at the back of the lobster and cast ice prison on you with out needing line of sight. This needs attention for it's a broken mechanic exploit being used for griefing.

[Quarterling]

Oh well.

[Nysrock]

Oh well.

This

[Dunklerlindwurm]

There is PvP in this Game?

[Kmnh]

The spell doesn't require line of sight. That's not an exploit.

[Veriden]

The spell doesn't require line of sight. That's not an exploit.

If you knew how dnd works, ALL spells need line of sight.

[kernal42]

If you knew how dnd works, ALL spells need line of sight.

This is verifiably false.

-Kernal

[heyytoi]

Melees beware, sorc savant3 of ice does not need line of sight and can go through the walls in pvp areas so they can hide behind the wall at the back of the lobster and cast ice prison on you with out needing line of sight. This needs attention for it's a broken mechanic exploit being used for griefing.

Same thing with song of capering.

[Bladedge]

Shouldnt this go into the PVP section of the forums where this post can be avoided.

There is PvP in this Game?

Yep when one player disagrees with another then we have PvP

[Vordax]

If you knew how dnd works, ALL spells need line of sight.

Really? How about teleport?

Vordax

[Beld]

Really? How about teleport?

Vordax

Or was that the old rule

[Memnir]

/shrug

[Veriden]

This is verifiably false.

-Kernal

Then by all means, name one aside from Teleport and its like spells of transportation. Preferably one that is in this game.

As for teleport and it's like spells if you haven't been to the location you're trying to get to theres a chance to teleport yourself into a wall.

And why I put it here instead of pvp forum is because it does not apply to soley pvp, but to quests and the like. Fact of the matter any "target" spell needs line of sight to function properly as this game lacks scrying devices that players can cast through, taking advantage of this flaw in design is indeed an exploit.

[kernal42]

Then by all means, name one aside from Teleport and its like spells of transportation. Preferably one that is in this game.

The false statement you made did not exclude Teleport, so that is a valid spell to use to demonstrate the invalidity of the statement.

There are, of course, others.

Scrying does not require line of sight (obviously; it would be useless otherwise).
Nightmare does not require line of sight.

There are even offensive spells implemented in DDO that do not require line of sight. For example:
Circle of Death and Wail of the Banshee both can affect targets that you do not have line-of-sight to.

Cheers,
Kernal

[Auran82]

If you knew how dnd works, ALL spells need line of sight.

Your face doesn't.

Thankfully.

[Dburg]

1) Unless the spell specifically says "....as long as the target has less then total concealment or total cover..." you can cast it.

2) You don't have to ATTEND a place to use Teleportation. You just need a clear mental image. So even a story about how it looks and descriptive information works.

3) Summon Monster I-IX, Symbol of Pain, most non-touch (ranged touch, etc.,) spells can be used un-sighted.

4) Errata-d out

5) Your DM's are pretty boring and un-adventurous to let you not use pointless spells through pointless walls

[kernal42]

4) So a blind wizard may not use any of it's spells? It has no Line of Sight.

Line-of-Sight is not the same as "able to see."

-Kernal

[weddingly]

there's just so many exploits in DDO pvp its pretty abysmal.
(exploits in pvp can be fun)

i dont really mind. the devs have other priorities. i hope one day they fix pvp but afaik, in every rpg pvp online ive tried, it takes ages to get pvp exploits fixed and balance right. enjoy while you can

[Flavilandile]

The only Fix needed in PvP is to fix PVP out of DDO. *grins*

Remember : PVP is an afterthought here, it's not a core part of the game, so why bother ?

If the spell is LOS, then there's a wall that not blocking... there's lots of that in quests too... And I'm not even starting on the Kilometer range Earthgrab from the Earth Elementals that hasn't been fixed for years.

If the Spell is not LOS it's WAI.

/shrug.

[Ivan_Milic]

With so much pve content ur doin pvp?