DR bypassing handwraps are near impossible to find

[MsEricka]

OK, so we all know that some time ago Eladrin stated that DR bypassing handwraps can drop from Devils Assault on normal or hard.

First post

Devil Assault can produce evil-outsider oriented weapons on Normal or Hard difficulty

Second post

At the time that we created the tables, we figured that by level 18 most people would already possess decent devil-beaters, so they wouldn't be nearly as attractive as other stuff.

I'm not the first one to mention this, but ANY kind of non-named handwraps are stupidly hard to find. I have run devils assault daily for weeks at a time, and never seen a single pair of DR breaking handwraps.

Why not just go for Devout handwraps? For me I was one of the lucky ones, who got Devouts almost immediately after they were put into the loot tables and one of the first on Sarlona to have them. But I know some monks that have had upwards of 50 runs in the Shadow Crypt (with full parties) with no luck at finding them.

Something has to give.

I'm not asking for a handout. I'm not asking for exceptions for monks. But I am asking for something!

Allow DR breaking handwraps to drop from any chest... please! With the crafting system out now I've easily got 30 blanks sitting on a bank toon of silver weapons. Khopeshes, maces, maul's, greataxes.. you name it, I've got it. But I still can't find a pair of silver-threaded handwraps that are non-named.

Yes I tried to deconstruct the Eternal Rest handwraps from the Catacombs chain just to make sure. When placed in the device they are rejected with the typical named item error message.

Heck if we could deconstruct those handwraps you might even see people run the catacombs and purchase that pack. That's not an ideal solution however.

One other issue with DR breaking handwraps is that you can't tell they are DR breakers without hovering over them. A silver khopesh says it's silver, handwraps don't. It's impossible to search for them on the auction house and for end rewards you must mouse over each one. It's possible that users have passed up DR breaking handwraps because they saw something else shiny that they wanted. If they only saw silver in the name they would have been snapped up.

Again, please let DR breaking handwraps have the possibility to drop from any chest or end reward and hopefully with the metal type in their name.


Possible Solutions!
1) Sell silver/cold iron/adamantine wraps in the store (not my favorite idea!)
2) Make them drop from any quest (do it now please!)
3) Let monks deconstruct named handwraps (again not my favorite idea)
4) Give the Epic Mabar wraps a red slot (workable, as long as the wraps weren't exclusive and you brought mabar back)
5) Give the Epic Mabar wraps metalline properties (overpowered in my opinion)
6) Simply increase the drop rate (a lot) of these wraps in Devils Assault
7) Add a 20th completion reward list to DA similar to raids or Tide Turns

[Uska]

agreed

[LOOON375]

Stop looking for it and you will possibly find it. That's the way it seems to work.

You are looking for one exact, particular thing to drop. The odds have to be astronomical and not in your favor. IMHO

[TheDearLeader]

Stop looking for it and you will possibly find it. That's the way it seems to work.

You are looking for one exact, particular thing to drop. The odds have to be astronomical and not in your favor. IMHO

He's been looking for them in the one quest where they could possibly drop. The odds should be with him, rather than against him.

If he "Stops looking for it", it means that he stops doing that quest - and therefore in theory never finds them. So, Reading Fail.

OP, I support your action.

[Chai]

Found a pair of metalline pure good on the Sarlona AH last week for 150kpp..o_0

The OP is correct, they are stupidly hard to find. The lack of consistency here is that any other melee class can buy a boss beater off the AH easy style if they dont pull one. I even ran shadow crypt until it gave minimum xp due to too much grinding it out. Nada. Then I got lucky on the AH.

I think putting the metal types in the general loot tables would be good enough, with the new crafting system and all.

[LOOON375]

He's been looking for them in the one quest where they could possibly drop. The odds should be with him, rather than against him.

If he "Stops looking for it", it means that he stops doing that quest - and therefore in theory never finds them. So, Reading Fail.

OP, I support your action.

It was meant in jest. "it's always the last place you look".

[TheDearLeader]

It was meant in jest. "it's always the last place you look".

Except in the case in point, there is a total of two places to look. *Two*. He's asking for more last places to look, which is a reasonable request.

[Chette]

Yes, at least have silver threaded wraps drop with the same rate as other weapons so that monks can craft their own beaters.

[oradafu]

While you're looking for DR breaking handwraps, keep an eye out for a DR breaking quarterstaff. Currently, the only sources for a quarterstaff that breaks DR is Metalline of Pure Good, Metalline of Righteousness and Epic Nat Gann's (that's been slotted with a Good crystal). Oh, there appears to be a chance of a staff dropping in Deleras that is metal-based, but it's bound to account. So handwraps aren't the only items that are near impossible to find.

[Cardtrick]

While you're looking for DR breaking handwraps, keep an eye out for a DR breaking quarterstaff. Currently, the only sources for a quarterstaff that breaks DR is Metalline of Pure Good, Metalline of Righteousness and Epic Nat Gann's (that's been slotted with a Good crystal). Oh, there appears to be a chance of a staff dropping in Deleras that is metal-based, but it's bound to account. So handwraps aren't the only items that are near impossible to find.

While I agree that this is annoying, it's nowhere near as bad for us acrobats as for the poor monks. We can at least craft Min2's, after all.

[oradafu]

While I agree that this is annoying, it's nowhere near as bad for us acrobats as for the poor monks. We can at least craft Min2's, after all.

Not in it's current state, you can't.

[Cardtrick]

Not in it's current state, you can't.

Well, okay, fine . . . but that's only been true for a few days, and the patch is already up in Lammania.

[nolaureltree000]

One other issue with DR breaking handwraps is that you can't tell they are DR breakers without hovering over them.

well i wish i had know this...


i agree, its stupidly hard to monks to get DR bypassing gear, especially for dark monks. i wasnt able to bypass DR with my monk until after sitting at level 20 for awhile and getting enough stuff together for a holy burst ToD ring. it wasnt one of the rings i wanted, but it at least had relevant stats and i just crafted it anyways because i needed to be able to break DR.

im pretty sure that silver threaded handwrap crafting is bugged too. i saw a post a little while ago where a guy made +4 holy silver handwraps of evil outsider bane or something like that, and he wasnt getting the +4 bonus from it.

[MsEricka]

I can sympathize with acrobats for the most part, but as someone stated you can eventually make a green steel min2 item and bypass DR. And you also have the choice of an epic staff (silver plus a red slot for good).

There are no epic wraps to be earned in game other than the Epic wraps of Endless Light. While those are nice wraps, they don't pass DR and aren't available at any time whenever someone decides they want to make a pair.

Yes metalline of pg handwraps can be found on the AH, but are very rare. I also realize that with the holy burst ring all that is needed is metalline wraps. But I want to craft wraps!

Clearly there's an issue.

[kernal42]

While I agree that this is annoying, it's nowhere near as bad for us acrobats as for the poor monks. We can at least craft Min2's, after all.

On the other hand, at least monks have the possibility of crafting DR breakers via the new system. Unless I'm mistaken (which I certainly hope), there's no silver (or cold iron, or adamantine) quarterstaff in the game that can be deconstructed.

-Kernal

[Soleran]

Found a pair of metalline pure good on the Sarlona AH last week for 150kpp..o_0

The OP is correct, they are stupidly hard to find. The lack of consistency here is that any other melee class can buy a boss beater off the AH easy style if they dont pull one. I even ran shadow crypt until it gave minimum xp due to too much grinding it out. Nada. Then I got lucky on the AH.

I think putting the metal types in the general loot tables would be good enough, with the new crafting system and all.

There are 2 pairs of metalline of pure good on the AH on Thelanis for 1.7 million now lol

It's SO past due to have silver handwraps drop as random loot now. Farming a whopping 2 different dungeons for wraps that are supposed to be used in end game (lvl12ish quests) is ridiculous.

The possibility of crafting decent boss beaters is the only reason I spent millions of plat getting my crafting up for my monk.

[Eistander]

I dunno how lucky I am, but I have landed a couple sets of metalline handwraps, not PG but rather standard (one set has maiming).. just bugs me that I needed to wait till I got a ToD ring bursted with Holy Burst to use them properly.. got used to Shintao and the light side of things, so yeah lol..

Outside of that, should be more named wraps outside of the really low level ones we have out now, imo.

[TheIvanovFamily]

If you count up the different weapons sans throwing and qstaves, and assume that a DR oriented weapon drops every run of DA (it doesn't), the chance of getting silver wraps on a particular run is around 0.8%. With each run of DA being 20-25 minutes due to waiting times, that is a horribly time consuming farm.

[Cardtrick]

On the other hand, at least monks have the possibility of crafting DR breakers via the new system. Unless I'm mistaken (which I certainly hope), there's no silver (or cold iron, or adamantine) quarterstaff in the game that can be deconstructed.

-Kernal

Yes, that's mostly true, and it's very unfortunate. I hope it's an oversight that will be fixed as part of the crafting overhaul. I've made some nice +3 Holy Silver/Cold Iron of Outsider Bane greatswords for my Lord of Blades alt, and I miss them on my staff-wielding main character.

You may or may not be aware that there is a way around this, but it requires paying real-life money. I haven't done it yet, but it's an option. Blessed Silver Quarterstaffs are available in the DDO store, and they are indeed craftable. They are currently the only way I know of to have a craftable silver quarterstaff.

[Drakos]

/signed

I got the one pair of silver-threaded handwraps I have off of the AH (amazingly for like 25K). They are +1 silver threaded handwraps of lesser evil outsider bane.

In general Monks need more named handwraps. I don't mind carying different handwraps around for different mobs, but as it stands right now, we don't get alot.

The one issue see with this, and it really isn't a deal breaker, is that if these were commonplace then it would begin to trivialize Shintao. Again, they have other abilities and they can use any handwraps with any properties so they still get a benefit, but it is a concideration.