The Abuser. Max Stun Build

[Impaqt]

Work In Progress:

50+ Stunning Fist and Stunning Blow. No +3/+4 Tomes, One Past Life.

This cant last can it?
Dwarven Axe DPS for Boss Fights, +10 Stunning handwraps and its lights out for just about anything else.





Level 20 Lawful neutral Dwarf Male
(12 Fighter / 2 Monk / 6 Ranger)
Hit Points: 376
Spell Points: 85

BAB: 19/19/24/2929
Fortitude: 21
Reflex: 16
Will: 13


Abilities
(34 Point)
{36/52}Strength 16 +5 Levels +2 Tome +3 Fighter +7 Item +3 Exceptional / +2 rage +2 yugo +2 Ship +8Surge +2 Rams Might
{24}Dexterity 15 +2 Tome +1Ranger +6 Item
{25}Constitution 16+2 Tome +1 Dwarf +6 Item
{10}Intelligence 8 +2 Tome
{30}Wisdom 16 +1 Monk +3 Exceptional +6 Item /+2 Yugo +2 Ship
{08}Charisma 6 8

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7

Stunning Blow:
10 base
13 (Standing Strength)
1 Past Life
2 Kensai
4 Fighter Stunning Blow
3 Dwarven Tactics
10 Weighted
---
43
8 Temp Str boosts
---
51 DC

Stunning Fist
10 base
10 1/2 Character level
8 Standing Wisdom
1 Past Life
2 Kensai
4 Fighter Stunning Blow
3 Dwarven Tactics
10 Weighted
---
48
3 yugo Pot, Ship Buff, Water Stance
---
50 DC

Level 1 (Ranger)
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Fighter

Level 2 (Ranger)

Level 3 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Dodge
Feat: (Selected) Toughness

Level 4 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Stunning Blow

Level 5 (Fighter)

Level 6 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons

Level 7 (Fighter)

Level 8 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons

Level 9 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Power Attack
Feat: (Selected) Mobility

Level 10 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Stunning Fist

Level 11 (Ranger)

Level 12 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Spring Attack

Level 13 (Ranger)

Level 14 (Ranger)

Level 15 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting

Level 16 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Focus

Level 17 (Fighter)

Level 18 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Oversized Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Selected) Quick Draw

Level 19 (Fighter)

Level 20 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Specialization: Slasshing Weapons
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost II
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost III
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Ranger Sprint Boost I
Enhancement: Dwarven Axe Damage I
Enhancement: Dwarven Constitution I
Enhancement: Dwarven Spell Defense I
Enhancement: Dwarven Tactics I
Enhancement: Dwarven Tactics II
Enhancement: Dwarven Tactics III
Enhancement: Kensei Dwarven Waraxe Mastery I
Enhancement: Kensei Dwarven Waraxe Mastery II
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy I
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy II
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy III
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei I
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei II
Enhancement: Fighter Strategy (Stunning Blow) I
Enhancement: Fighter Strategy (Stunning Blow) II
Enhancement: Fighter Strategy (Stunning Blow) III
Enhancement: Fighter Strategy (Stunning Blow) IV
Enhancement: Fighter Dwarven Waraxe Specialization I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage I
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage II
Enhancement: Ranger Tempest I
Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity I
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I
Enhancement: Fighter Strength II
Enhancement: Fighter Strength III
Enhancement: Monk Wisdom I
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness II
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness III

[slimkj]

I am eyeing my dwarf Monster with the same thoughts, or even a 12Ftr/7Mnk/1x, but figured it was best to see if this made it to live or not given how sillygood it might turn out to be.

[skullzz]

Work In Progress:


Stunning Blow:
10 base
13 (Standing Strength)
1 Past Life
2 Kensai
4 Fighter Stunning Blow
3 Dwarven Tactics
10 Weighted
---
43
8 Temp Str boosts
---
51 DC

Stunning Fist
10 base
10 1/2 Character level
8 Standing Wisdom
1 Past Life
2 Kensai
4 Fighter Stunning Blow
3 Dwarven Tactics
10 Weighted
---
48
3 yugo Pot, Ship Buff, Water Stance
---
50 DC

Stunning Fists does not give you 10 for being level 20 character level.
It gives you 10 for being a level 20 monk. In the description it says DC= 10 + 1/2 Monk Level + Wisdom Modifier.
Your max stunning fist will be 39 not 48.

But its impressive you got both stuns into the 40's

[Impaqt]

Stunning Fists does not give you 10 for being level 20 character level.
It gives you 10 for being a level 20 monk. In the description it says DC= 10 + 1/2 Monk Level + Wisdom Modifier.
Your max stunning fist will be 39 not 48.

But its impressive you got both stuns into the 40's

You should familiarize yourself with the changes to Stunning fist on Lammania. New Caculation is 10+ 1/2 Character level + Wisdom +

[Ironforge_Clan]

You should familiarize yourself with the changes to Stunning fist on Lammania. New Caculation is 10+ 1/2 Character level + Wisdom +

You are correct but don't you see that is "broken". Allowing a minimal splash monk the same advantage as a full breed is wrong. If this goes live you can almost bet the farm that it will be changed back. Oh and then won't we hear the nerf screams!

[Maegin]

I mean sure, acid rains new update was probably a bit strong..

But Cloudkill?
A spell very rarely used for damage on live, wasnt really upgraded on lamania, and it gets nerfed.

Burning Blood?
No one loads this ever since it occupies such a ultra important spell slot. VS the live version, it was greatly improved sure.. But at a cost of having its duration severely damaged, so it had to be refreshed often. As a single target nuke, it should be powerful... I mean considering how much power your giving to palemasters wizards with finger of death (insane damage + insta kills on nearly everything)
Single target nukes like this, taht meld well with savant.. SHOULD BE POWERFUL.

Melf acid arrow?
Ditto with burning blood. Single target nuke - SHOULD BE POWERFUL. PERIOD. .. Addtionally, it should not cap (does at 20 atm).. That totally defeats the fun of having the PrE bring up your caster level.. 2ndly, it just was not that powerful compared to other lvl2 SLAs, especially ones with 2ndary effects like Electric loop.

Seems like anytime we offer some feedback that something is good.. It gets nerfed.

Almost seems like we should just keep quiet.

I mean look at the evidence:
A few people agree earth savant is quite good (not seen anyone ever say it was overpowred except maybe 1 guy about acid rain):
Nearly all acid spells nerfed.

A guy posts a video of him doing pretty well with evocation archmage at low sp:
Evocation archmage nerfed.

.. everyone just SHHH!! Its the only way it seems.

Be careful, man.

[eulogy098]

what are the ranger levels for ?

[skullzz]

You should familiarize yourself with the changes to Stunning fist on Lammania. New Caculation is 10+ 1/2 Character level + Wisdom +

Ok, I was going off of the compendium and my 18mnk/2rog who is only getting 9 from his levels.

If its true that stunning fists are going to 1/2 character level then DDO is getting further and further from pnp.

[Waylayer]

what are the ranger levels for ?

Attack Speed from Tempest I ?

[Doomflayer]

Free two weapon feats, wand heals, Rams might, favored, and Tempest 1

[eulogy098]

Free two weapon feats, wand heals, Rams might, favored, and Tempest 1

have they changed tempst? last i knew it had no effect on fists.

and the twf feats arn't really free feats when you are stuck wasting other fests on the tempst req. line.

[Waylayer]

have they changed tempst? last i knew it had no effect on fists.

and the twf feats arn't really free feats when you are stuck wasting other fests on the tempst req. line.

The attack speed works with handwraps; but the added "Tempest AC" (Whirling Shield of Steel) does not.

At least that seems to be the consensus here : http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=295686

[eulogy098]

The attack speed works with handwraps; but the added "Tempest AC" (Whirling Shield of Steel) does not.

At least that seems to be the consensus here : http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=295686

Isnt it just additional offhand attacks then? no actual attack speed increase

[Waylayer]

Isnt it just additional offhand attacks then? no actual attack speed increase

You are correct. However, increased offhand attack is all that anyone gets. My mistake with thinking with the OLD part of my brain.

My original post should have been: "Increased offhand attacks from Tempest 1?"

[Nick_RC]

I think Warforged with PA line and 7 monk 1 rog will be stronger overall. Quite a few of us looking at these type of builds. The ranger would be nice for extended pali pl tho and 90% off hand procs.

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[BDS]

If you are going to be including water stance in the fist buffs you should subtract it from the stunning blow as well.

[eulogy098]

Yeah i think the build would be better in every way without those ranger levels.

[voodoogroves]

Did I miss Madstone in your calcs?

[Impaqt]

You could do 18Fighter/2 Monk as well.

I choose to go Tempest since I was giving up the capstone anyway. +1 Crit range on a DA might be pretty good though.

90% offhand Instead of 80 means 10% more double stun attacks. Basically 2 saves instead of 1.

2 Favorite Enemies.. Evil Outsiders and Take yer pick according to what content you plan on running the most.

Rams Might provides +2 Str and +2 more to damage. On every hit....

Wand usage is handy in many situations.

As for the "Shhhhh! Dont tell"

meh... THis SHOULD change.... Its simple not right for a 2Monk splash to have a significantly better Stunning first attack that any monk build could possibly achieve. Maybe it'll be around a Mod or 2. Maybe they will leave it alone and finally provide monks some stunning enhancements...

[Impaqt]

If you are going to be including water stance in the fist buffs you should subtract it from the stunning blow as well.

I just showed water stance as a "Max" not as a standing number. I think not using water stance will probably be fine

Yeah i think the build would be better in every way without those ranger levels.

Then post your build. I like the versatility the ranger levels offer. I never sad theres no other options. 18 Fighter would certainly work. But it seems to me the 10% offhand, Rams Might, and Fav Enemy boosts are a little better than what Kensai III offers over Kensai II.

Did I miss Madstone in your calcs?

Yup, No +4 Tomes either. Certainly room to improved those numbers even more. Just wanted to get the base posted as I work on all the details.