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    Despite the attempt at humor in the title, this is a serious post. It might even denigrate into a wall of text, so be forewarned. First a little background.

    Recently, in a NECRO 2 elite run, slightly above lvl (10ish), some guildies and I put up an lfm.We picked up a TR'd Wizzy and a Cleric. It was Tomb of the Shadow King and Guard for reference. Guard went somewhat well, as all but the cleric and a barb had done it before, multiple times. They got lost in the water, and we told the wiz and a fighter to go on ahead and clear some if they could. Well I went back and got them and we caught up right before the end fight and BAM mummy's dead. easy peasy. Well we go on to King and due to a miscommunication, 2 peeps went the wrong way and created a DA4 alert. Well this new cleric was bombarded for requests for heals, restoration, etc., while the rest of us are fighting all the Shadows, phase Spiders, Umbrals, etc, etc. As a side note, All of us carried pots and used them as we were able, but it wasn't enough. Well, it happens and we wiped. One of my guildies had a res cake and said he was gonna try to get a couple of us to the shrine in the middle, but to give him a few, he needed a drink and would brb. While we were waiting, I started talking to the cleric( I have a TR'd cleric and have ran him on everything but epics before his TR. He wasn't built for epics at that time.) and was asking what happened, did she need a pot or two, why she didn't Radient burst(Rad Ser 1), what happened etc, etc. Let me stress that I was extremely polite and was not derogatory in any way. She seemed to run out of SP's way to quick and I was curious. Well it turns out that she is fairly new( couple months) and had joined a rather large guild on our server, who is known for taking anyone, and made a cleric, because in their GC, someone mentioned that they needed a few more. Well to make this a little shorter, she had NO CLUE WHATSOEVR about radient servent, what spells to take where etc. I asked if she'd talked to a guidie about it and she responded that except for a few newb's that she was friend's with, she didn't really have any contact with a lot of her guild members.Well the rescue attempt failed, and as we were going to go do a few high level guild things, I told her that if she ever needed help getting her cleric right, look me up. She stated that if I had some time right then, she would really apprieciate it. Well, we had more than enough guildies on, so I said sure. I proceded to give her a walkthrough on clericing, from 1st lvl to end game, and helped her respec for rad servant. Before we were done she had invited a couple of her guildie friends for the impromptu lesson, and quite frankly, I had a good time passing on my knowledge. They all were vey thankful and asked if they could contact me again, for advice on clerics, and other classes. Now I told them I am not an expert, but I would be more than happy to help. Which lead me to...

    My wife and I discussing it. She's our guild founder and I am heir. She was half watching me and offering a bit of advice here and there that I overlooked or forgot. She said it was really nice of me and got a thoughtful look in her eyes that lead to the main purpose of this post. We, the combined members of Creeping Death want to offer "classes" if you will, on characters, builds, etc., for all the new people joining our server. We have several TR's many capped toons, and a few old timers, so we do have a wealth of experience to pass on. We aren't Elitists bt any means, nor do we consider ourselves an Elite guild, but we are improving daily and hope to be known as one in the future. So my main question is this....

    How many of you out there on Sarlona, would be interested in helping? We have a ton of friends, and I know many founders of other guilds, who I think would be willing to, but I know you read the forums, so I would like for you to post it here. We all see the posts about the jerks, and the people complaining about newbs, and people not having a clue, just as we see some people defending them by saying that if someone had taught them, or showed them the ropes, that they wouldn't be so bad. So it's time to actually do something about it. Let's get together and offer some "classes" to help people learn. Maybe even a raid or three at level, so we can teach them proper ettiquitte and savvy about raids. With this in mind, I will be offering a clericing class SOON and would like a few other clerics to help. If we have eonough we can even do 2 groups. We will follow this with class "classes" and build "classes" and would love for like minded peeps to help. So, who's with us?
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    I would love to see new people taking advice that seriously and with it being shoved down there throats, good idea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BansheeMalthus View Post
    Despite the attempt at humor in the title, this is a serious post. It might even denigrate into a wall of text, so be forewarned. First a little background.

    Recently, in a NECRO 2 elite run, slightly above lvl (10ish), some guildies and I put up an lfm.We picked up a TR'd Wizzy and a Cleric. It was Tomb of the Shadow King and Guard for reference. Guard went somewhat well, as all but the cleric and a barb had done it before, multiple times. They got lost in the water, and we told the wiz and a fighter to go on ahead and clear some if they could. Well I went back and got them and we caught up right before the end fight and BAM mummy's dead. easy peasy. Well we go on to King and due to a miscommunication, 2 peeps went the wrong way and created a DA4 alert. Well this new cleric was bombarded for requests for heals, restoration, etc., while the rest of us are fighting all the Shadows, phase Spiders, Umbrals, etc, etc. As a side note, All of us carried pots and used them as we were able, but it wasn't enough. Well, it happens and we wiped. One of my guildies had a res cake and said he was gonna try to get a couple of us to the shrine in the middle, but to give him a few, he needed a drink and would brb. While we were waiting, I started talking to the cleric( I have a TR'd cleric and have ran him on everything but epics before his TR. He wasn't built for epics at that time.) and was asking what happened, did she need a pot or two, why she didn't Radient burst(Rad Ser 1), what happened etc, etc. Let me stress that I was extremely polite and was not derogatory in any way. She seemed to run out of SP's way to quick and I was curious. Well it turns out that she is fairly new( couple months) and had joined a rather large guild on our server, who is known for taking anyone, and made a cleric, because in their GC, someone mentioned that they needed a few more. Well to make this a little shorter, she had NO CLUE WHATSOEVR about radient servent, what spells to take where etc. I asked if she'd talked to a guidie about it and she responded that except for a few newb's that she was friend's with, she didn't really have any contact with a lot of her guild members.Well the rescue attempt failed, and as we were going to go do a few high level guild things, I told her that if she ever needed help getting her cleric right, look me up. She stated that if I had some time right then, she would really apprieciate it. Well, we had more than enough guildies on, so I said sure. I proceded to give her a walkthrough on clericing, from 1st lvl to end game, and helped her respec for rad servant. Before we were done she had invited a couple of her guildie friends for the impromptu lesson, and quite frankly, I had a good time passing on my knowledge. They all were vey thankful and asked if they could contact me again, for advice on clerics, and other classes. Now I told them I am not an expert, but I would be more than happy to help. Which lead me to...

    My wife and I discussing it. She's our guild founder and I am heir. She was half watching me and offering a bit of advice here and there that I overlooked or forgot. She said it was really nice of me and got a thoughtful look in her eyes that lead to the main purpose of this post. We, the combined members of Creeping Death want to offer "classes" if you will, on characters, builds, etc., for all the new people joining our server. We have several TR's many capped toons, and a few old timers, so we do have a wealth of experience to pass on. We aren't Elitists bt any means, nor do we consider ourselves an Elite guild, but we are improving daily and hope to be known as one in the future. So my main question is this....

    How many of you out there on Sarlona, would be interested in helping? We have a ton of friends, and I know many founders of other guilds, who I think would be willing to, but I know you read the forums, so I would like for you to post it here. We all see the posts about the jerks, and the people complaining about newbs, and people not having a clue, just as we see some people defending them by saying that if someone had taught them, or showed them the ropes, that they wouldn't be so bad. So it's time to actually do something about it. Let's get together and offer some "classes" to help people learn. Maybe even a raid or three at level, so we can teach them proper ettiquitte and savvy about raids. With this in mind, I will be offering a clericing class SOON and would like a few other clerics to help. If we have eonough we can even do 2 groups. We will follow this with class "classes" and build "classes" and would love for like minded peeps to help. So, who's with us?
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    I think this is an awesome idea, not even for new players, but also for those interested in a class they haven't played before (e.g i could use some little tricks and hints about Wizards).
    I myself can't help on the cleric topic, simply because i have no clue of clerics (and never played one). But i think i know a little bit about light monks.
    So, if you plan to do monk classes and i can manage to find the time, i would happily join you (might be difficult because i live in the GMT+1 timezone, but we'll see.). Just send me a PM or a /tell to either Aranja/Lupata/Daishee.

    and +1 for being one of those not complaining but helping

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    Quote Originally Posted by thx.janus View Post
    I think this is an awesome idea, not even for new players, but also for those interested in a class they haven't played before (e.g i could use some little tricks and hints about Wizards).
    I myself can't help on the cleric topic, simply because i have no clue of clerics (and never played one). But i think i know a little bit about light monks.
    So, if you plan to do monk classes and i can manage to find the time, i would happily join you (might be difficult because i live in the GMT+1 timezone, but we'll see.). Just send me a PM or a /tell to either Aranja/Lupata/Daishee.

    and +1 for being one of those not complaining but helping
    Actually we WILL be doing a light monk class and as far as the time zone, well even though I am GMT-5 I usually play during your morning. I myself have never played a light monk, but I do know something about dark monks. And I will be doing a class about Wizards, I have a capped one and Several of my friends do as well. These few responses so far give me hope, and I hope that others will as well. PS My main toons are Vonyell, JAimez, Allnightmare, Daverin, and Juztyn. Anyone can feel free to send me a tell as well.
    Quote Originally Posted by slothinator View Post
    ................ There is nothing, and I mean NOTHING, about DDO that would keep me from "play time". I don't care how good the group is, 5 dudes pretending to be chicks online are not keeping me from the real chick sitting next to me on the bed going "ahem.....hey you, look over here."

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    BansheeMalthus, players like you and your wife help make Sarlona a server worth playing. +1
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    http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=202343

    refer people to that thread for great clericing advise

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    i would like to learn from these classes. Would a level 1 something or other (on another serer) be allowed to join? and when approximately will these happen?
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    Hmm....
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    How do you plan to get the word out to the masses who would be looking for this kind of help?
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    I'd love to contribute and I think this is a great idea. I love the idea of making our server a better place. Plus, if I go to a formal class perhaps I can get all the teaching urges sorted and not take it on my guildies.

    Sign me up.

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    I would be happy to contribute, and I think I can speak for the membership of Crate and Barrel Smashing LLC and say that we are all happy to help out with this effort.


    +1 to you for the helpful idea


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    GL to you, I am afraid my patience is worn down rather quickly lately else I might consider contributing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Taimasan View Post
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    And now young Quis, you WILL grind XP.


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    Quote Originally Posted by elricken View Post
    And now young Quis, you WILL grind XP.


    This is not the Quis you are looking for. Move along! :P
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    I tried something similar awhile ago. Thread is here.

    It was rewarding offering advice and all, but in the end I found it better just to refer them to my thread (already listed in this thread), tell them to send me a tell if they had questions, and answer any specific questions they had at the time.

    I wish you the best doing this. Some things to keep in mind. You need a way to get the word out (as another poster suggested). You need to do this at a time when people will be likelly on, which in the end will probably conflict with your own play schedule and those wanting to participate. This will be something you'll have to deal with. Offering these help sessions will conflict with your game time. I do recall this is a game and gaming is what it is about not listening to a panel discussion. In the end, I felt weird about offering advice like this about a game. I thought that a forum thread was more appropriate in the end, along with email contact through the forums. Many people send me emails regarding advice. I make myself available in game for quick questions as well.

    Anyways, it is a nice thought and I hope it is fruitful for you.
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    @ Falith12: as long as you are on Sarlona, We don't mind if youre 1st or 20th!
    @mws2790: Well I have already gotten several PM's via the forums so that's way #1. The only feasible way in game is an lfm to a raid group with a few "instructors". We can finetune it once we get it rolling.
    @ wax and jack. Thanks!! Ill send you guys a pm when the ball starts rolling.
    @elricken: Totally understandable man
    @ Samulas: You'll be the longest one, so you're last:P . I read your post and The Path of Enlightenment post. And I agree. However I think you started higher on the chain than I wish to. I want to start the lessons at the BEGINNING. Not with all lvl 1's per se, but with how to make a viable cleric(even without twink gear), good stat distribution, good spell and feat selection, and AP spending. I mean, that lvl 10 cleric in my op had decent stats( had to explain the even/odd number diference), but as far as feats, spells, and enhancements....*shudder*. A lot of new and newb people IMHO either pick up little tidbits hear and there, or ask something in the advice channel and get a quickie answer that doesn't solve the issue. If I only get 3-6 peeps thats fine, but it's not gonna be just clerics. We plan on doing this for all classes. As far as cutting into raid/play time, eh, I don't have a set raid schedule. We do raid several times a week, but we enjoy running random quests, or just BS'ing in Vent sometimes. We are a very laid back group and while I DO want to level my TR, its not a driving force. I can take a day a week, and do nothing in game but say hi and catch up with peeps, so why not use the time being instructive? And I won't be alone, will have peeps helping to teach, or heck, even if we don't get many people, we can teach each other some things. But I do thank you for your support and maybe you can come and be a guest lecturer!!!
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    ................ There is nothing, and I mean NOTHING, about DDO that would keep me from "play time". I don't care how good the group is, 5 dudes pretending to be chicks online are not keeping me from the real chick sitting next to me on the bed going "ahem.....hey you, look over here."

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    +10000000
    Great job! I may have to get my guildies together and start doing this on Thelanis! XD

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    Just as an aside, when everything is finalized, I will start a new post and post in here the times and such.
    Quote Originally Posted by slothinator View Post
    ................ There is nothing, and I mean NOTHING, about DDO that would keep me from "play time". I don't care how good the group is, 5 dudes pretending to be chicks online are not keeping me from the real chick sitting next to me on the bed going "ahem.....hey you, look over here."

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