Hand to Hand Barb

[daveo89]

I am fairly new to this game and i would like to know if it is possible to build a barb or fighter to use handwraps, as i do not have access to a monk and only a 28pt build if anyone could give me any advice it would be greatly appreciated, Thanks.

[DevilButcher]

Fighter/Monk:yes
Barb/Monk:no - they can't cross-class dew to aliment issues.

You need 1 level to unlock the monk's attack frame rate (see him doing all that kung-fu stuff) otherwise unarmed you swing like grandma

[h4x0r1f1c]

12monk,8ftr gives Improved Evasion, Abundant Step, and your lvl 9 thing.

10monk,10ftr gives you all STR enhancements from fighter (+3 total), Improved Evasion, and your lvl 9 thing.

8monk,12ftr gives you Powersurge (ability for +8 STR for 20 seconds), the 3 STR fighter enhancements, and regular Evasion with no lvl 9 ability.

20monk is a given and provides a striding bonus for like every 3 lvls of monk I think.

20fighter has more feats and 10% Doublestrike as your Capstone.

18ftr,2monk gives you tons of feats, Evasion, Kensai III, ect.. just read above. (I'd do this, myself.)

As for making a barb or fighter to use handwraps you can do so yep. I'd suggest fighter for the feats.

Go 20ftr and put everything into STR but without at least 1monk like DevilButcher suggested your attack rate will be horrible.

[Kelina]

Both the above posts didn't come close to answering the OP's question

[daveo89]

DevilButcher & h4x0r1f1c

Thank you but Kelina is correct, i do not want to use a monk and only use a 28 pt build if possibly a single class build, as i am fairly new to the game.

[h4x0r1f1c]

Both the above posts didn't come close to answering the OP's question

Your's would have made 3 posts in a row with no answer to the OP's question.

If I hadn't edited my post, this one would have been the 5th!

[DevilButcher]

Both the above posts didn't come close to answering the OP's question

and yours did...?

[DevilButcher]

DevilButcher & h4x0r1f1c

Thank you but Kelina is correct, i do not want to use a monk and only use a 28 pt build if possibly a single class build, as i am fairly new to the game.

well you need to ask what you like to learn or look it up in the compendium, I miss what you really want to hear from us

you asked can a barb or a fighter use handwraps
a fighter/monk: can
a barb/monk: impossible

i do not want to use a monk

you pretty much need to be at least 1 level of Monk to go hand wraps attack speed faster or you swing super slow

[daveo89]

As for making a barb or fighter to use handwraps you can do so yep. I'd suggest fighter for the feats.

Go 20ftr and put everything into STR but without at least 1monk like DevilButcher suggested your attack rate will be horrible.

Thank you for this, i think i will give it a go, any specific enhancements or skills i should use and what stats?

[daveo89]

well you need to ask what you like to learn or look it up in the compendium, I miss what you really want to hear from us

Basically i want a 28pt fighter or barb hand to hand build, preferably single class.

Have been looking all day today to no avail so i thought my first forum post could be to find what i want

[Boromirs]

It is possible, but it may not be viable. Since you do not have monk you will not be able to access to attack rate and ultimately dps of someone who does.

[daveo89]

It is possible, but it may not be viable. Since you do not have monk you will not be able to access to attack rate and ultimately dps of someone who does.

Boromirs, Thank you this is all i wanted to know i dont have the turbine points or the RL cash to get a monk so just wanted a poor mans brawler so to speak.

[DevilButcher]

no man think your getting the wrong idea, you can't be a pure fighter using hand wraps,
Ever had a wand in hand and press the attack button and watch him swing?

THAT's how slow your attack rate will be... you can't make a build around that, you need to splash 1 level of monk to get the kung-fu attack image.

sorry, but if your ok with that attack speed, go right ahead and enjoy your build I won't judge past that
**also what is the base attack damage with fist 1d4? lol this is getting more wrong as i look at it.

[jkm]

I am fairly new to this game and i would like to know if it is possible to build a barb or fighter to use handwraps, as i do not have access to a monk and only a 28pt build if anyone could give me any advice it would be greatly appreciated, Thanks.

as of right now, the improved unarmed strike feat is treated as a monk class feat instead of a general feat for all classes. since this feat isn't available, the character you make would be painful to play. it does kind of a jab/slow jab/slooooooowww kick motion that could be outdps'd by a 6 str halfling sword and boarding with the club of the holy flame and no weapon finesse.

it has been suggested before by angelus_dead that this feat be added as a regular feat, but nothing has come of it. not sure if you can see the suggestions forum, but if you can feel free to suggest this once more.

[rest]

Can you do it? 20 barb using handwraps? Absolutely. You can absolutely use handwraps on a pure barbarian, as long as they meet any sort of UMD requirements on the handwraps, knock yourself out.

Will it suck? Most certainly.

[daveo89]

as of right now, the improved unarmed strike feat is treated as a monk class feat instead of a general feat for all classes. since this feat isn't available, the character you make would be painful to play. it does kind of a jab/slow jab/slooooooowww kick motion that could be outdps'd by a 6 str halfling sword and boarding with the club of the holy flame and no weapon finesse.

it has been suggested before by angelus_dead that this feat be added as a regular feat, but nothing has come of it. not sure if you can see the suggestions forum, but if you can feel free to suggest this once more.

Thank you i guess it is time to build a favor point runner to start gettin close to 795 turbine points i really want that monk, i used to play perfect world and loved my monk, and anythin that can be played as a street fighter style char.

[Boromirs]

Boromirs, Thank you this is all i wanted to know i dont have the turbine points or the RL cash to get a monk so just wanted a poor mans brawler so to speak.

To be honest, I was actually thinking about making a similar build to yours. A "drunken dwarf brawler". It will probably work up until level 8~10 (at the absolute maximum) then you'll be hard pressed to find a group that will take you on board, especially after you gain a reputation on the server as "that guy that doesn't use any weapons...but isnt a monk."

Further, if you play considerably from this point on and farm for the TP before the end of October (this is when Update 7 goes live and monks will increase in price) it is quite possible you can earn the TP needed for free to buy monks off the store. I refer you to this thread, its quite good.

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?p=2396345

[daveo89]

no man think your getting the wrong idea, you can't be a pure fighter using hand wraps,
Ever had a wand in hand and press the attack button and watch him swing?

THAT's how slow your attack rate will be... you can't make a build around that, you need to splash 1 level of monk to get the kung-fu attack image.

sorry, but if your ok with that attack speed, go right ahead and enjoy your build I won't judge past that
**also what is the base attack damage with fist 1d4? lol this is getting more wrong as i look at it.

I think it would be best to wait until i can unlock the monk class, or maybe see if anyone would be kind enough to purchase it for me, thank you all for your input on this matter.

[elujin]

sad thing about monks they kinde need 32 points i would say bring a fighter to cap and get 1750(i think)favor on one toon to unlock 32 builds and try him a monk the fighter past life won't hurt him =)

[DevilButcher]

could be outdps'd by a 6 str halfling sword and boarding with the club of the holy flame and no weapon finesse.

LOL I think flinging coal would be a better attack than going non-monk hand wraps... at least you get ranged and about the same attack speed...