Been striving to come up with a halfling-based monk build to get me interested in DDO again. I was flirting with a Dex build, but from what I see, they're generally regarded as subpar these days.
How does this strength build look? Do people not take mobility & spring attack anymore? The BAB is -2 compared to a comparable Dex build - would it be a good idea to pick up weapon focus for +1 ?
Code:Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 3.5.1 DDO Character Planner Home Page Level 20 Lawful Good Halfling Male (20 Monk) Hit Points: 336 Spell Points: 0 BAB: 15\15\20\25\25 Fortitude: 17 Reflex: 18 Will: 16 Starting Feat/Enhancement Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats (32 Point) (Level 1) (Level 20) Strength 15 22 Dexterity 16 20 Constitution 16 18 Intelligence 8 10 Wisdom 11 16 Charisma 8 10 Tomes Used +2 Tome of Strength used at level 7 +2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7 +2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7 +2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7 +2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7 +2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7 Starting Feat/Enhancement Base Skills Modified Skills Skills (Level 1) (Level 20) Balance 3 5 Bluff -1 3 Concentration 3 14 Diplomacy -1 2 Disable Device n/a n/a Haggle -1 0 Heal 0 3 Hide 3 9 Intimidate -1 0 Jump 2 10 Listen 0 5 Move Silently 3 7 Open Lock n/a n/a Perform n/a n/a Repair -1 0 Search -1 0 Spot 0 3 Swim 2 6 Tumble n/a n/a Use Magic Device n/a n/a Level 1 (Monk) Feat: (Selected) Stunning Fist Feat: (Monk Bonus) Two Weapon Fighting Enhancement: Monk Jump I Enhancement: Monk Tumble I Level 2 (Monk) Feat: (Monk Bonus) Dodge Enhancement: Monk Wisdom I Enhancement: Halfling Cunning I Enhancement: Way of the Elegant Crane I Level 3 (Monk) Feat: (Monk Path) Path of Inevitable Dominion: Fists of Darkness Feat: (Selected) Toughness Enhancement: Halfling Dexterity I Enhancement: Halfling Guile I Enhancement: Monk Improved Recovery I Enhancement: Racial Toughness I Level 4 (Monk) Enhancement: Static Charge Enhancement: Monk Jump II Level 5 (Monk) Enhancement: Way of the Elegant Crane II Enhancement: Monk Tumble II Level 6 (Monk) Feat: (Monk Bonus) Power Attack Feat: (Selected) Toughness Enhancement: Halfling Cunning II Enhancement: Porous Soul Level 7 (Monk) Enhancement: All-Consuming Flame Enhancement: Winter's Touch Level 8 (Monk) Enhancement: Halfling Guile II Enhancement: Adept of Flame Level 9 (Monk) Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting Enhancement: Adept of Rock Level 10 (Monk) Enhancement: Halfling Dexterity II Level 11 (Monk) Enhancement: Monk Ninja Spy I Level 12 (Monk) Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Bludgeoning Weapons Enhancement: Monk Ninja Spy II Enhancement: Touch of Death Level 13 (Monk) Enhancement: Master of Stone Level 14 (Monk) Enhancement: Halfling Cunning III Level 15 (Monk) Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting Enhancement: Halfling Guile III Enhancement: Master of Bonfires Level 16 (Monk) Enhancement: Monk Wisdom II Level 17 (Monk) Level 18 (Monk) Feat: (Selected) Toughness Enhancement: Monk Wisdom III Level 19 (Monk) Enhancement: Grandmaster of Mountains Level 20 (Monk) Enhancement: Monk Serenity Enhancement: Grandmaster of the Sun
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09-12-2010, 12:43 PM #1Community Member
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How's this Dark, Str-based Peck look?
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09-12-2010, 01:16 PM #2Community Member
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For reference this is the dex build. Nothing really out of the ordinary, but halfling just jives with a dex build so much better. ...
Code:Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 3.5.1 DDO Character Planner Home Page Darrian Vanderfoot Level 20 Lawful Good Halfling Male (20 Monk) Hit Points: 302 Spell Points: 0 BAB: 15\15\20\25\25 Fortitude: 17 Reflex: 21 Will: 18 Starting Feat/Enhancement Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats (32 Point) (Level 1) (Level 20) Strength 12 14 Dexterity 17 26 Constitution 16 18 Intelligence 8 10 Wisdom 15 20 Charisma 8 10 Tomes Used +1 Tome of Strength used at level 3 +2 Tome of Strength used at level 7 +2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7 +2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7 +2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7 +2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7 +2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7 Starting Feat/Enhancement Base Skills Modified Skills Skills (Level 1) (Level 20) Balance 7 31 Bluff -1 3 Concentration 7 37 Diplomacy -1 2 Disable Device n/a n/a Haggle -1 0 Heal 2 5 Hide 3 12 Intimidate -1 0 Jump 4 29 Listen 2 7 Move Silently 3 10 Open Lock n/a n/a Perform n/a n/a Repair -1 0 Search -1 0 Spot 2 17 Swim 1 2 Tumble 4 11 Use Magic Device n/a n/a Level 1 (Monk) Feat: (Selected) Stunning Fist Feat: (Monk Bonus) Two Weapon Fighting Enhancement: Monk Jump I Enhancement: Monk Tumble I Level 2 (Monk) Feat: (Monk Bonus) Weapon Finesse Enhancement: Halfling Cunning I Enhancement: Monk Wisdom I Level 3 (Monk) Feat: (Monk Path) Path of Inevitable Dominion: Fists of Darkness Feat: (Selected) Toughness Enhancement: Halfling Dexterity I Enhancement: Halfling Guile I Enhancement: Way of the Elegant Crane I Enhancement: Racial Toughness I Level 4 (Monk) Enhancement: Static Charge Enhancement: Monk Jump II Enhancement: Monk Tumble II Level 5 (Monk) Enhancement: Way of the Elegant Crane II Enhancement: Porous Soul Level 6 (Monk) Feat: (Monk Bonus) Dodge Feat: (Selected) Power Attack Enhancement: Monk Ninja Spy I Level 7 (Monk) Enhancement: All-Consuming Flame Enhancement: Winter's Touch Level 8 (Monk) Enhancement: Adept of Wind Enhancement: Adept of Rock Level 9 (Monk) Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting Enhancement: Touch of Death Level 10 (Monk) Enhancement: Halfling Cunning II Enhancement: Halfling Guile II Level 11 (Monk) Enhancement: Halfling Dexterity II Level 12 (Monk) Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Bludgeoning Weapons Enhancement: Monk Ninja Spy II Level 13 (Monk) Enhancement: Master of Thunder Enhancement: Master of Stone Level 14 (Monk) Enhancement: Monk Wisdom II Level 15 (Monk) Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting Enhancement: Halfling Cunning III Enhancement: Racial Toughness II Level 16 (Monk) Enhancement: Halfling Guile III Level 17 (Monk) Level 18 (Monk) Enhancement: Grandmaster of Storms Level 19 (Monk) Enhancement: Grandmaster of Mountains Level 20 (Monk) Enhancement: Monk Serenity Enhancement: Monk Wisdom III
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09-12-2010, 02:19 PM #3Community Member
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The build looks ok. I wouldn't go with halfling, but if halfling; then I would go with 15/16/16/9/10/8 At level 3 take a +1 int tome. that would give you an extra 1 skill point to use. 16 total on the way to 20. Might not seem like much but its the difference between maxed jump/spot/ something else and none of it. You also dont really need to spend Enhancement points on the wisdom line. Get it to even and leave it there for a strength build.
Originally Posted by Marmaduke
Mobility is only useful for tumbling, ever kill something while tumbling? Yeah me either.
Spring attack? Monks have a limited range. Using fists means you must to be in the mobs face. Moving often times means=not even getting a swing roll in the first place. You wont even be missing because you wont be rolling an attack roll in the first place.
Weapon focus? the +1 to hit is great for low levels! After that +1 doesn't matter so much. Once you start getting some decent strength your to hit is going to be much higher than that +1. The feat slot is better served going to toughness or something."Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And when you look long into an abyss, the abyss also looks into you."
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09-12-2010, 02:46 PM #4Community Member
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dump dodge for either wf bludg, or another toughness. other than that build looks good
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09-12-2010, 02:46 PM #5Community Member
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Thanks for the response. Isn't the Wisdom DC modifier somewhat important for the Dark Path debuffs?
Twoton: unfortunately need dodge for the Ninja Spy enhancements.
I ported a strength build over to human and it looks more promising than halfling... but I hate being tall
I need to give it some more thought.
Code:Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 3.5.1 DDO Character Planner Home Page Level 20 Lawful Good Human Male (20 Monk) Hit Points: 324 Spell Points: 0 BAB: 15\15\20\25\25 Fortitude: 16 Reflex: 16 Will: 15 Starting Feat/Enhancement Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats (32 Point) (Level 1) (Level 20) Strength 16 24 Dexterity 16 18 Constitution 16 18 Intelligence 8 10 Wisdom 10 16 Charisma 8 10 Tomes Used +2 Tome of Strength used at level 7 +2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7 +2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7 +2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7 +2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7 +2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7 Starting Feat/Enhancement Base Skills Modified Skills Skills (Level 1) (Level 20) Balance 3 4 Bluff -1 0 Concentration 3 14 Diplomacy -1 4 Disable Device n/a n/a Haggle -1 0 Heal 0 3 Hide 3 4 Intimidate -1 0 Jump 3 9 Listen 0 3 Move Silently 3 4 Open Lock n/a n/a Perform n/a n/a Repair -1 0 Search -1 0 Spot 0 3 Swim 3 7 Tumble n/a n/a Use Magic Device n/a n/a Level 1 (Monk) Feat: (Monk Bonus) Dodge Feat: (Selected) Stunning Blow Feat: (Human Bonus) Two Weapon Fighting Level 2 (Monk) Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness Level 3 (Monk) Feat: (Monk Path) Path of Inevitable Dominion: Fists of Darkness Feat: (Selected) Power Attack Level 4 (Monk) Level 5 (Monk) Level 6 (Monk) Feat: (Monk Bonus) Mobility Feat: (Selected) Spring Attack Level 7 (Monk) Level 8 (Monk) Level 9 (Monk) Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting Level 10 (Monk) Level 11 (Monk) Level 12 (Monk) Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Bludgeoning Weapons Level 13 (Monk) Level 14 (Monk) Level 15 (Monk) Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting Level 16 (Monk) Level 17 (Monk) Level 18 (Monk) Feat: (Selected) Toughness Enhancement: Human Adaptability Strength I Enhancement: Human Greater Adaptability Wisdom I Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I Enhancement: Static Charge Enhancement: Way of the Elegant Crane I Enhancement: Way of the Elegant Crane II Enhancement: Way of the Elegant Crane III Enhancement: Way of the Elegant Crane IV Enhancement: Monk Ninja Spy I Enhancement: Monk Ninja Spy II Enhancement: Touch of Death Enhancement: Porous Soul Enhancement: All-Consuming Flame Enhancement: Winter's Touch Enhancement: Adept of Rock Enhancement: Master of Stone Enhancement: Adept of Flame Enhancement: Grandmaster of the Sun Enhancement: Master of Bonfires Enhancement: Racial Toughness I Enhancement: Monk Jump I Enhancement: Monk Jump II Enhancement: Monk Tumble I Enhancement: Monk Tumble II Enhancement: Monk Wisdom I Enhancement: Monk Wisdom II Enhancement: Monk Wisdom III Level 19 (Monk) Level 20 (Monk) Enhancement: Monk Serenity Enhancement: Fists of Iron Enhancement: Monk Improved Recovery I Enhancement: Grandmaster of Mountains Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
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09-12-2010, 10:02 PM #6Community Member
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Wisdom is used for the DC's. But those debuffs aren't going to be used very often. About the only reason to click them is to cast them on a boss mob. Otherwise you wont have time. The mobs are going to be dying too fast and you have better things to spend your Ki on. Originally Posted by Marmaduke
Thanks for the response. Isn't the Wisdom DC modifier somewhat important for the Dark Path debuffs?
Twoton: unfortunately need dodge for the Ninja Spy enhancements.
I ported a strength build over to human and it looks more promising than halfling... but I hate being tall I need to give it some more thought."Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And when you look long into an abyss, the abyss also looks into you."
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09-13-2010, 01:36 AM #7Founder
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Stunning Fist however is awesome and based off a Wisdom DC.
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09-13-2010, 02:46 AM #8Community Member
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On a strength based monk stunning blow is also awesome and costs ZERO KI. Originally Posted by Fafnir
"Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And when you look long into an abyss, the abyss also looks into you."
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09-13-2010, 03:27 AM #9Community Member
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Originally Posted by Marmaduke
Thanks for the response. Isn't the Wisdom DC modifier somewhat important for the Dark Path debuffs?
Twoton: unfortunately need dodge for the Ninja Spy enhancements.
I ported a strength build over to human and it looks more promising than halfling... but I hate being tall I need to give it some more thought.
Code:Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 3.5.1 DDO Character Planner Home Page Level 20 Lawful Good Human Male (20 Monk) Hit Points: 324 Spell Points: 0 BAB: 15\15\20\25\25 Fortitude: 16 Reflex: 16 Will: 15 Starting Feat/Enhancement Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats (32 Point) (Level 1) (Level 20) Strength 16 24 Dexterity 16 18 Constitution 16 18 Intelligence 8 10 Wisdom 10 16 Charisma 8 10 Tomes Used +2 Tome of Strength used at level 7 +2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7 +2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7 +2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7 +2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7 +2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7 Starting Feat/Enhancement Base Skills Modified Skills Skills (Level 1) (Level 20) Balance 3 4 Bluff -1 0 Concentration 3 14 Diplomacy -1 4 Disable Device n/a n/a Haggle -1 0 Heal 0 3 Hide 3 4 Intimidate -1 0 Jump 3 9 Listen 0 3 Move Silently 3 4 Open Lock n/a n/a Perform n/a n/a Repair -1 0 Search -1 0 Spot 0 3 Swim 3 7 Tumble n/a n/a Use Magic Device n/a n/a Level 1 (Monk) Feat: (Monk Bonus) Dodge Feat: (Selected) Stunning Blow Feat: (Human Bonus) Two Weapon Fighting Level 2 (Monk) Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness Level 3 (Monk) Feat: (Monk Path) Path of Inevitable Dominion: Fists of Darkness Feat: (Selected) Power Attack Level 4 (Monk) Level 5 (Monk) Level 6 (Monk) Feat: (Monk Bonus) Mobility Feat: (Selected) Spring Attack Level 7 (Monk) Level 8 (Monk) Level 9 (Monk) Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting Level 10 (Monk) Level 11 (Monk) Level 12 (Monk) Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Bludgeoning Weapons Level 13 (Monk) Level 14 (Monk) Level 15 (Monk) Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting Level 16 (Monk) Level 17 (Monk) Level 18 (Monk) Feat: (Selected) Toughness Enhancement: Human Adaptability Strength I Enhancement: Human Greater Adaptability Wisdom I Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I Enhancement: Static Charge Enhancement: Way of the Elegant Crane I Enhancement: Way of the Elegant Crane II Enhancement: Way of the Elegant Crane III Enhancement: Way of the Elegant Crane IV Enhancement: Monk Ninja Spy I Enhancement: Monk Ninja Spy II Enhancement: Touch of Death Enhancement: Porous Soul Enhancement: All-Consuming Flame Enhancement: Winter's Touch Enhancement: Adept of Rock Enhancement: Master of Stone Enhancement: Adept of Flame Enhancement: Grandmaster of the Sun Enhancement: Master of Bonfires Enhancement: Racial Toughness I Enhancement: Monk Jump I Enhancement: Monk Jump II Enhancement: Monk Tumble I Enhancement: Monk Tumble II Enhancement: Monk Wisdom I Enhancement: Monk Wisdom II Enhancement: Monk Wisdom III Level 19 (Monk) Level 20 (Monk) Enhancement: Monk Serenity Enhancement: Fists of Iron Enhancement: Monk Improved Recovery I Enhancement: Grandmaster of Mountains Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Just an idea, but take a look at dwarf too, if you hate being tall. Great str build, and some not too shabby racials for monk (tactics for your stun DCs, +3 additional save vs all spells, + vs poison and knockdown, more con and hps enhances). I loved my light side dwarf monk. Figure dark path will be similar in effectiveness.
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09-13-2010, 03:38 AM #10Community Member
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Str build w/ Stunning Blow: Originally Posted by Goldenadult79
18 Str (assuming non-halfling and disregard for other stats) + 5 lvls +6 item +2 rage +2 madstone +2 tome +3 exceptional = 38 (+14)
DC: 10 + 14 Str +10 wraps = 34
Dex build w/ Stunning Fist:
15 Wis (kind of the norm) +6 item +2 tome +1 exceptional +2 enhancements = 26 (+8)
DC: 10 + 8 Wis + 10 (half monk lvl) + 10 wraps = 38
So, the trade-off here is fewer stat points and more AP spent for a higher DC. Now, the Str-based build is bringing some more DPS, so that is a different consideration, but I'm still not convinced that Str-based is the way to go for DPS anyway. As it is, the difference is only about 5 points of damage per hit between a Str and Dex build.Useful links: A Guide to Using a Gamepad w/ DDO / All Caster Shroud, Hard Shroud, VoD, ToD Einhander, Elochka, Ferrumrym, Ferrumdermis, Ferrumshot, Ferrumblood, Ferrumender, Ferrumshadow, Ferrumschtik All proud officers of The Loreseekers. Except Bruucelee, he's a Sentinel!
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09-13-2010, 04:35 AM #11Community Member
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I ended up going with something of a strength-heavy dex build. I don't feel too confident in it, but I still feel better about it than the myriad of other builds I tried. Strength builds look promising but I'm reticent about giving up so much, especially on a halfling.
I was looking at the Rockan Robin build as well, but while I think it's cool, I don't think it's lesser dps would appeal to me. ...oh well, there's always a lesser ressurection.
Code:Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 3.5.1 DDO Character Planner Home Page Darrian Vanderfoot Level 20 Lawful Good Halfling Male (20 Monk) Hit Points: 314 Spell Points: 0 BAB: 15\15\20\25\25 Fortitude: 17 Reflex: 21 Will: 17 Starting Feat/Enhancement Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats (32 Point) (Level 1) (Level 20) Strength 14 16 Dexterity 16 24 Constitution 15 18 Intelligence 10 12 Wisdom 14 18 Charisma 8 10 Tomes Used +1 Tome of Strength used at level 3 +2 Tome of Strength used at level 7 +2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7 +2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7 +2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7 +2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7 +2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7 Starting Feat/Enhancement Base Skills Modified Skills Skills (Level 1) (Level 20) Balance 5 18 Bluff -1 3 Concentration 6 37 Diplomacy -1 3 Disable Device n/a n/a Haggle -1 0 Heal 2 4 Hide 4 27 Intimidate -1 0 Jump 4 20 Listen 2 6 Move Silently 5 27 Open Lock n/a n/a Perform n/a n/a Repair 0 1 Search 0 1 Spot 6 27 Swim 2 3 Tumble 4 10 Use Magic Device n/a n/a Level 1 (Monk) Feat: (Selected) Stunning Fist Feat: (Monk Bonus) Two Weapon Fighting Enhancement: Monk Jump I Enhancement: Monk Tumble I Level 2 (Monk) Feat: (Monk Bonus) Weapon Finesse Enhancement: Halfling Cunning I Enhancement: Way of the Elegant Crane I Enhancement: Monk Wisdom I Level 3 (Monk) Feat: (Monk Path) Path of Inevitable Dominion: Fists of Darkness Feat: (Selected) Toughness Enhancement: Halfling Dexterity I Enhancement: Halfling Guile I Enhancement: Racial Toughness I Level 4 (Monk) Enhancement: Static Charge Enhancement: Monk Jump II Enhancement: Monk Tumble II Level 5 (Monk) Enhancement: Way of the Elegant Crane II Enhancement: Porous Soul Level 6 (Monk) Feat: (Monk Bonus) Dodge Feat: (Selected) Power Attack Enhancement: Winter's Touch Enhancement: Adept of Wind Level 7 (Monk) Enhancement: Monk Ninja Spy I Level 8 (Monk) Enhancement: All-Consuming Flame Enhancement: Adept of Rock Level 9 (Monk) Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting Enhancement: Halfling Cunning II Enhancement: Fists of Iron Level 10 (Monk) Enhancement: Touch of Death Level 11 (Monk) Enhancement: Halfling Cunning III Enhancement: Halfling Guile II Level 12 (Monk) Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Bludgeoning Weapons Enhancement: Halfling Dexterity II Level 13 (Monk) Enhancement: Monk Ninja Spy II Level 14 (Monk) Enhancement: Master of Thunder Enhancement: Master of Stone Level 15 (Monk) Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting Enhancement: Monk Wisdom II Level 16 (Monk) Enhancement: Halfling Guile III Level 17 (Monk) Level 18 (Monk) Feat: (Selected) Toughness Level 19 (Monk) Enhancement: Grandmaster of Storms Level 20 (Monk) Enhancement: Monk Serenity Enhancement: Halfling Luck (Reflex) I Enhancement: Way of the Elegant Crane III Enhancement: Unbalancing Strike Enhancement: Grandmaster of Mountains Enhancement: Adept of Rain
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