LF Ninja Assassin build

[Shadelocke]

Hey there,

I am hoping somebody could give a great 32 pnt build for 12monk/7rogue/1fighter elf focusing on longswords. Gotta have UMD/Disarm/Lock, and do decent damage.

[Consumer]

As you've already decided the build you want put it into the character planner. Post your build and we can change what needs to be changed. That way you actually learn something about building toons.

[jmonty]

i would start with

Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 3.5.1
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Level 1 Lawful Good Elf Male
(1 Rogue) 
Hit Points: 28
Spell Points: 0 
BAB: 0
Fortitude: 2
Reflex: 5
Will: -1

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 1)
Strength             17                    17
Dexterity            16                    16
Constitution         14                    14
Intelligence         11                    11
Wisdom                8                     8
Charisma              8                     8

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 1)
Balance               5                     5
Bluff                -1                    -1
Concentration         2                     2
Diplomacy            -1                    -1
Disable Device        4                     4
Haggle               -1                    -1
Heal                 -1                    -1
Hide                  7                     7
Intimidate           -1                    -1
Jump                  6                     6
Listen               -1                     1
Move Silently         7                     7
Open Lock             7                     7
Perform              n/a                   n/a
Repair                0                     0
Search                4                     6
Spot                  1                     3
Swim                  3                     3
Tumble                4                     4
Use Magic Device      3                     3

Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting

have at least a +1 dex and int tome for the twf feats and put level ups into str.

i'll help more in a while if i have more time and you still need some assistance.

[Shadelocke]

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Shadowfathom 
Level 20 Lawful Good Elf Male
(1 Fighter \ 12 Monk \ 7 Rogue) 
Hit Points: 280
Spell Points: 0 
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 15
Reflex: 18
Will: 11

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             16                    23
Dexterity            16                    20
Constitution         14                    16
Intelligence         14                    16
Wisdom                8                    12
Charisma              8                    10

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               7                    10
Bluff                -1                     2
Concentration         4                    26
Diplomacy            -1                     3
Disable Device        6                    26
Haggle               -1                     0
Heal                 -1                     1
Hide                  7                    24
Intimidate           -1                     0
Jump                  7                    12
Listen               -1                     3
Move Silently         7                    13
Open Lock             7                    28
Perform              n/a                    n/a
Repair                2                     3
Search                6                    28
Spot                  2                     6
Swim                  3                     6
Tumble                4                     8
Use Magic Device      3                    26

Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting


Level 2 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons


Level 3 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Dodge
Feat: (Selected) Whirling Steel Strike


Level 4 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness


Level 5 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Path) Path of Inevitable Dominion: Fists of Darkness


Level 6 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Oversized Two Weapon Fighting


Level 7 (Monk)


Level 8 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Power Attack


Level 9 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting


Level 10 (Monk)


Level 11 (Monk)


Level 12 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons


Level 13 (Monk)


Level 14 (Monk)


Level 15 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting


Level 16 (Rogue)


Level 17 (Rogue)


Level 18 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Skill Focus: Use Magic Device


Level 19 (Rogue)


Level 20 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost II
Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost III
Enhancement: Aerenal Elf Melee Attack I
Enhancement: Aerenal Elf Melee Attack II
Enhancement: Aerenal Elf Melee Damage I
Enhancement: Aerenal Elf Melee Damage II
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy I
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing I
Enhancement: Way of the Elegant Crane I
Enhancement: Way of the Elegant Crane II
Enhancement: Way of the Elegant Crane III
Enhancement: Monk Ninja Spy I
Enhancement: Monk Ninja Spy II
Enhancement: All-Consuming Flame
Enhancement: Adept of Flame
Enhancement: Master of Bonfires
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Rogue Assassin I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training III
Enhancement: Rogue Hide I
Enhancement: Rogue Hide II
Enhancement: Monk Jump I
Enhancement: Monk Jump II
Enhancement: Rogue Move Silently I
Enhancement: Rogue Move Silently II
Enhancement: Monk Tumble I
Enhancement: Monk Tumble II
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity I
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity II
Enhancement: Monk Wisdom I
Enhancement: Monk Wisdom II
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I

[Shadelocke]

That is what I got so far any feedback would be nice, I planned on using stocked up ddo points for the tome.

[unbongwah]

Off-hand, I think this build will be suboptimal:

Why spend two feats to use longswords when Ninja Spies can use short swords instead? You can go drow instead of elf if you want the extra dmg enhs. Slightly less DPS, but as a ninja assassin you'll be relying mostly on SAs for DPS anyway; and those feats are better spent elsewhere, IMHO.

With that many monk levels, you'd almost certainly be better off sticking with handwraps; unless they've changed it, Touch of Death only works with handwraps. As it's a major source of dark monk DPS, IMHO it doesn't make much sense to take dark monk 9+ and not plan to use ToD.

I think rogue 13 / monk 7 using short swords is a better combo. In fact I'm trying to come up with a build I like for that.

[Shadelocke]

Yeah I figured I couldn't use ToD anyways. However, I really wanna play with longswords, I haven't had a toon yet that uses em.

[Shadelocke]

I created a couple of veteran toons to play around with the idea. I am fine with dropping longswords and using wraps. Think I am gonna try work on a dex based version as I prefer wind stance with the sneak attack damage over sun stance.

[Calebro]

I created a couple of veteran toons to play around with the idea. I am fine with dropping longswords and using wraps. Think I am gonna try work on a dex based version as I prefer wind stance with the sneak attack damage over sun stance.

If you're thinking of dropping longswords and focusing on SA, have you considered a rogue 13 / monk 7 split? Ninja Spy I and Assassin II totals for 10d6 SA dice. Basically all the SA of a pure non-PrE rogue, but with all the goodies that 7 levels of monk gives.
Wraps until around the Vale or so, when a banish/para short sword combo works wonders.
Mine is quickly becoming one of my favorite toons.

[Shadelocke]

I was considering that, how would a hafling weapon finess build with 13 rogue 7 monk fan out?

[Calebro]

I was considering that, how would a hafling weapon finess build with 13 rogue 7 monk fan out?

Most of your AP gets spent on filling requirements (both for two PrEs, and for basic halfling rogue SA lines), but it works well.
I'll find my build here and post it for you.


Edit:
As I said, there really isn't much room to work with different AP choices on a build like this. The starting stats can be changed as you like, but most of the AP will probably remain the same for the most part I'd imagine.

Not geared very well just yet (in the process of Shroud flagging), mine sits at 16 right now with 300 HP in Wind Stance 2, standing unbuffed AC of 45 (self buffed into the 50's), my lowest save is a 20.
Once this guy actually gets some decent gear he's going to be absolutely sick.... I'm having a blast running him.

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Level 20 Lawful Neutral (or Good if you choose) Halfling Male 
(7 Monk / 13 Rogue) 
Hit Points: 283 
Spell Points: 0 

BAB: 14/14/19/24 
Fortitude: 13 
Reflex: 23 
Will: 14 

              Starting    Feat/Enhancement 
Abilities    Base Stats    Modified Stats 	With +6 Gear
(32 Point)    (Level 1)      (Level 20) 		(before crafting)
Strength           14                16 		22
Dexterity          16                28 		34 (32 with Spectral Gloves enhancement line, see below)
Constitution       14                16 		22
Intelligence       12                14 		20
Wisdom             14                18 		24
Charisma            8                10 		16

Tomes Used 
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7 
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7 
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7 
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7 
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7 
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7 
 
              Starting      Feat/Enhancement 
             Base Skills  Modified Skills 
Skills       (Level 1)      (Level 20) 
Balance            7              32 
Bluff              -1             6 
Concentration      2              27 
Diplomacy          -1             0 
Disable Device     5              25 
Haggle             -1             0 
Heal               2              4 
Hide               6              27 
Intimidate         -1             0 
Jump               6              12 
Listen             2              6 
Move Silently      7              30 
Open Lock          7              24 
Perform            n/a            n/a 
Repair             1              2 
Search             5              25 
Spot               6              27 
Swim               2              3 
Tumble             4              12 
Use Magic Device   3              23 
 
Level 1 (Rogue) 
Skill: Balance (+4) 
Skill: Disable Device (+4) 
Skill: Hide (+3) 
Skill: Jump (+4) 
Skill: Move Silently (+4) 
Skill: Open Lock (+4) 
Skill: Search (+4) 
Skill: Spot (+4) 
Skill: Tumble (+1) 
Skill: Use Magic Device (+4) 
Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting 
 
Level 2 (Monk) 
Skill: Concentration (+5) 
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness 
 
Level 3 (Monk) 
Skill: Balance (+2) 
Skill: Concentration (+1) 
Skill: Spot (+2) 
Feat: (Selected) Dodge 
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Weapon Finesse 
 
Level 4 (Monk) 
Ability Raise: DEX 
Skill: Balance (+1) 
Skill: Concentration (+1) 
Skill: Move Silently (+2) 
Skill: Spot (+1) 
Feat: (Monk Path) Path of Inevitable Dominion: Fists of Darkness 
 
Level 5 (Rogue) 
Skill: Disable Device (+4) 
Skill: Hide (+1) 
Skill: Search (+4) 
 
Level 6 (Monk) 
Skill: Balance (+2) 
Skill: Concentration (+2) 
Skill: Spot (+1) 
Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Defense (to be swapped for Shadow Blade if it's ever introduced)
------OR Skill Focus: UMD
 
Level 7 (Monk) 
Skill: Balance (+1) 
Skill: Concentration (+1) 
Skill: Hide (+1) 
Skill: Jump (+1) 
Skilll: Move Silently (+1) 
 
Level 8 (Rogue) 
Ability Raise: DEX 
Skill: Disable Device (+3) 
Skill: Move Silently (+1) 
Skill: Search (+3) 
Skill: Spot (+3) 
 
Level 9 (Monk) 
Skill: Balance (+2) 
Skill: Concentration (+2) 
Skill: Hide (+1) 
Skill: Move Silently (+1) 
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting 
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Power Attack 
 
Level 10 (Monk) 
Skill: Balance (+1) 
Skill: Concentration (+1) 
Skill: Hide (+2) 
Skill: Move Silently (+2) 
 
Level 11 (Rogue) 
Skill: Disable Device (+3) 
Skill: Open Lock (+1) 
Skill: Search (+3) 
Skill: Spot (+3) 
 
Level 12 (Rogue) 
Ability Raise: DEX 
Skill: Balance (+2) 
Skill: Concentration (+2) 
Skill: Disable Device (+1) 
Skill: Search (+1) 
Skill: Spot (+1) 
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) 
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Piercing Weapons 
 
Level 13 (Rogue) 
Skill: Balance (+1) 
Skill: Concentration (+1) 
Skill: Disable Device (+1) 
Skill: Search (+1) 
Skill: Spot (+1) 
Skill: Use Magic Device (+4) 
 
Level 14 (Rogue) 
Skill: Balance (+1) 
Skill: Concentration (+1) 
Skill: Disable Device (+1) 
Skill: Search (+1) 
Skill: Spot (+1) 
Skill: Use Magic Device (+4) 
 
Level 15 (Rogue) 
Skill: Balance (+1) 
Skill: Concentration (+1) 
Skill: Disable Device (+1) 
Skill: Search (+1) 
Skill: Spot (+1) 
Skill: Use Magic Device (+4) 
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting 
 
Level 16 (Rogue) 
Ability Raise: DEX 
Skill: Balance (+1) 
Skill: Concentration (+1) 
Skill: Disable Device (+1) 
Skill: Open Lock (+2) 
Skill: Search (+1) 
Skill: Spot (+1) 
Skill: Use Magic Device (+2) 
 
Level 17 (Rogue) 
Skill: Balance (+1) 
Skill: Concentration (+1) 
Skill: Disable Device (+1) 
Skill: Open Lock (+3) 
Skill: Search (+1) 
Skill: Spot (+1) 
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) 
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Cripling Strike 
 
Level 18 (Rogue) 
Skill: Balance (+1) 
Skill: Concentration (+1) 
Skill: Disable Device (+1) 
Skill: Open Lock (+3) 
Skill: Search (+1) 
Skill: Spot (+1) 
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) 
Feat: (Selected) Toughness (or a different Feat to taste)
 
Level 19 (Rogue) 
Skill: Balance (+1) 
Skill: Concentration (+1) 
Skill: Disable Device (+1) 
Skill: Hide (+1) 
Skill: Move Silently (+1) 
Skill: Open Lock (+1) 
Skill: Search (+1) 
Skill: Spot (+1) 
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) 
 
Level 20 (Rogue) 
Ability Raise: DEX 
Skill: Balance (+1) 
Skill: Concentration (+1) 
Skill: Disable Device (+1) 
Skill: Hide (+1) 
Skill: Move Silently (+1) 
Skill: Open Lock (+1) 
Skill: Search (+1) 
Skill: Spot (+1) 
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1) 
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Improved Evasion 

Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost II 
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost II 
Enhancement: Halflinng Dexterity II 
Enhancement: Halfling Cunning II 
Enhancement: Halfling Guile II 
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing I 
Enhancement: Way of the Clever Monkey I 
Enhancement: Monk Ninja Spy I 
Enhancement: All-Consuming Flame 
Enhancement: Adept of Wind 
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II 
Enhancement: Rogue Faster Sneaking I 
Enhancement: Rogue Assassin II 
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy III 
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training III 
Enhancement: Rogue Hide II 
Enhancement: Monk Jump II 
Enhancement: Rogue Move Silently II 
Enhancement: Monk Tumble II 
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity III 
Enhancement: Monk Wisdom II 
 
OR, with Spectral Gloves (preferred):

Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost II 
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost III 
Enhancement: Halfling Dexterity II 
Enhancement: Halfling Cunning II 
Enhancement: Halfling Guile II 
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing I 
Enhancement: Monk Ninja Spy I 
Enhancement: All-Consuming Flame 
Enhancement: Adept of Wind 
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II 
Enhancement: Rogue Faster Sneaking I 
Enhancement: Rogue Assassin II 
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy III 
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training IV 
Enhancement: Rogue Hide II 
Enhancement: Monk Jump II 
Enhancement: Rogue Move Silently II 
Enhancement: Monk Tumble II 
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity II 
Enhancement: Monk Wisdom II

The only tome required is the +2 Int @7, to keep the skill progression on track. But if you take this as a guide for your toon's idea, I highly recommend that you get every one of the tomes eventually. Every single stat on this guy is important in one way or another.

[Shadelocke]

I like that design, I'll have to try it out.

[Calebro]

If you have any questions, just let me know.

I will warn you that in the first 10 levels, your rogue skills start to slip and them max out again every few levels. This means that having level appropriate gear will be absolutely essential if you need to play trap monkey. You may also want to invest in Skill Boost for those times, and then spec out of it later on.
If that isn't something you're willing to deal with, you can adjust the skills appropriately.

I just did it that way because he gets the most out of it by only raising class skills.

[Shadelocke]

All I gotta say is WOW, thank you so much for this build. I don't think I will touch any other toon till this one is true rencarnated to a 36 pnt version.

[Calebro]

All I gotta say is WOW, thank you so much for this build. I don't think I will touch any other toon till this one is true rencarnated to a 36 pnt version.

I told you it was fun....

[DethTrip]

Do this instead, you will thank me later.

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=264340

[Calebro]

Do this instead, you will thank me later.

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=264340

Somehow I don't think he will.
He asked for a "12monk/7rogue/1fighter elf focusing on longswords", then later changed the idea to a "dex based version as I prefer wind stance with the sneak attack damage over sun stance" which indicated that he'd still like to keep the rogue levels.
You tell him to build a pure strength based monk.... That isn't what he asked for at all. I'm not saying it's a bad build, but it isn't what he asked for.

[QuantumFX]

This sums up my feelings on the build: LINK

[Shadelocke]

Well, I rerolled the toon again. Not because I don't enjoy it but because my little brother wanted to roll one too after watching me play it lol. It is even more intersting duoing instances with this build, as it is really fun to trade back and forth the super fast sneak attacks.

[unbongwah]

Nice build, Calebro. Although I would squeeze in Combat Expertise somewhere, since it looks like you're trying for a high-AC build and you have the INT for it after +2 tome. Think I would reverse Dodge & Power Attack: you don't really need Dodge until monk 6 (Ninja Spy pre-req); whereas the extra DPS from PA is welcome, especially against low-lvl high-Fort enemies (i.e., undead).