DDO Store hate is stale

[Calebro]

I really wish all of the constant hate about the DDO Store would disappear. It's not like every other MMO cash shop, and it's especially not like Korean style MMOs which require you to purchase in order to compete. F2P rejuvenated the game, but it came with a cost. This is still a business for them and it needs to profit in order to to prosper. When you offer your product for free, you need to make a profit somehow. They could have chosen to make a general MMO Cash Shop, but chose to walk on higher ground.
It's become the "cool thing to do" to bash the DDO Store, but the fact of the matter is that if you don't want to spend a dime, you don't have to. This has been proven by people that have capped characters without spending a penny. Instead of constantly berating them for it, you could simply say thank you.

Convenience (from dictionary.com:
2. anything that saves or simplifies work, adds to one's ease or comfort, etc., as an appliance, utensil, or the like.

The DDO Store provides convenience items, and nothing more. There isn't a single thing required to play the game that you can't get in the game itself. Every single item offered in the store is either also available in the game, or is completely optional and not necessary.

I challenge you to find me a single item that the game requires that is sold exclusively in the store.
Lesser/Greater/True Hearts of Wood? Completely optional.
Astral Diamonds? No need. The first tier small/med/large airships are sold in plat, as are almost all amenities. None of which are needed to play the game effectively.

Again, I challenge any of you to find a single item that is REQUIRED to play the game effectively which is sold exclusively in the store. Until this can be done, please stop all the DDO Store hate. It's not *getting* old, it's been old for quite some time.

[Chai]

I agree with your intentions, but...

You are asking people to stop hating on these boards?

realistic: (from dictionary.com) 1. Interested in, concerned with, or based on what is real or practical.

No one is REQUIRED to hate around these parts, but unfortunately that will not stop people from doing so.

[Drakos]

Most of the complaining I see boils down to two categories.

1) Those who complain about the TP cost of the items.

It depends on your point of view and the amount of discretionary funds you have. For me I don't have a problem with the costs of things in the store. But I also tend to have a little more discretionary money than most. I am a vip, and I still spend a few between $100 & $200 a month on TP's, usually when they are on special. In fact this last special was the first where I didn't buy points (got 20k + so didn think I needed more).

2) People who want to use the store as a stick to beat Turbin with. Usually over some nerf they don't agree with, or the general preceivec lack of some game element.

These people are deluding themselves. For every person they convince to boycott the DDO store, there are dosens others who will continue to use it. Most of the people in-game don't even come to these boards.

Either way I just ingore the DDO Store rants/boycott threads.

[Calebro]

You are asking people to stop hating on these boards?

realistic: (from dictionary.com) 1. Interested in, concerned with, or based on what is real or practical.

No one is REQUIRED to hate around these parts, but unfortunately that will not stop people from doing so.

LOL!
It's just been getting on my nerves more and more recently that any discussion will instantly be derailed by someone with a remark about the store. It's gotten to the point where I consider it disruptive and trolling, and should be worthy of repercussions IMO.

2) People who want to use the store as a stick to beat Turbin with. Usually over some nerf they don't agree with, or the general preceivec lack of some game element.

And that's just it. It comes up in completely unrelated topics and derails threads that were running smoothly until that point. Isn't that the EXACT definition of disruptive?

I'm at the point where I'm considering handing out neg when it happens.

[MrkGrismer]

Well, to be fair nobody is REQUIRED to buy crack either, but that doesn't mean that crack dealers deserve more lovin'

... or maybe it does...

[tihocan]

It all depends on what you consider "required". There are at least 2 items I personally find "required":

- Respec options like lesser reincarnation and siberys shards, because the game keeps changing and it's not everyone who can afford the time required for a TR just to keep his characters as effective as they could be (I know shards are in the game, but the highest tier is a pita to make, I've been collecting all Siberys shards and fragments I could find since they were introduced, and I'm only at about 50% of what I need for a flawless shard).

- Shared bank. It's way too handy to swap around BtA stuff like IQ essences / disks & Mindsunder items, or Shavarath Trophies of War, or Epic tokens / seals / shards. Although you can live without it, if you have many characters it's really a must-have at high level (it's also handy for lowbie twink items, but those don't make a real difference in the long term).

[Lorz]

It all depends on what you consider "required". There are at least 2 items I personally find "required":

- Respec options like lesser reincarnation and siberys shards, because the game keeps changing and it's not everyone who can afford the time required for a TR just to keep his characters as effective as they could be (I know shards are in the game, but the highest tier is a pita to make, I've been collecting all Siberys shards and fragments I could find since they were introduced, and I'm only at about 50% of what I need for a flawless shard).

- Shared bank. It's way too handy to swap around BtA stuff like IQ essences / disks & Mindsunder items, or Shavarath Trophies of War, or Epic tokens / seals / shards. Although you can live without it, if you have many characters it's really a must-have at high level (it's also handy for lowbie twink items, but those don't make a real difference in the long term).

Well ive made about 20 flawless.....so either your doing it wrong...or not really trying....(or ive got a helluva gaming habit....and i can quit i swear anytime i want... )

As for the TR....i mean a few weeks of game play will get you through a TR....

But lets remember used to be ... the game changed....and you couldnt RESPEC....you know this....and you know what we had to do......it sucked...so this is way better....the fact that any respec is allowed and that some are actually free...

Just sayin....And Haters gonna Hate.....The store i find it funny that people hate it. I mean next they will hate Turbine for making a profit and continuing to stay in business.

[Eladiun]

It's the principle that every patch more items are DDO store and less accessible in game despite promises to the contrary. VIP means less and less. We speak out because if we don't some day you will wake up an realize you are now playing DDOwars.

[KoboldKiller]

It's the principle that every patch more items are DDO store and less accessible in game despite promises to the contrary. VIP means less and less. We speak out because if we don't some day you will wake up an realize you are now playing DDOwars.

Agreed.

[Calebro]

It all depends on what you consider "required". There are at least 2 items I personally find "required":

- Respec options

- Shared bank.

Respec is certainly nice, but again it is optional. And it never existed before. So I'd hardly consider it required.
Shared bank is nice as well, but it would hardly make the game unplayable if it didn't exist.

It's the principle that every patch more items are DDO store and less accessible in game despite promises to the contrary. VIP means less and less. We speak out because if we don't some day you will wake up an realize you are now playing DDOwars.

I'm not missing the point. But I think you've missed the point of my post.
If you want to create a thread about the store and how much you hate it, feel free. I'll just ignore it. It's when these posts enter other threads dedicated to another subject that I have a problem with it. Unless you honestly believe that a Dev is going to catch that random post in a thread that they're probably not even reading, it does nothing but disrupt the conversation.
In these circumstances it's like shouting into a vacuum. No one will hear you, so the disruption didn't do any good.

[Eladiun]

Unless you honestly believe that a Dev is going to catch that random post in a thread that they're probably not even reading, it does nothing but disrupt the conversation.

The Devs have nothing to do with it. They have near zero say about what goes in the store and what goes in the game. That decision is made above their pay grade. I am fairly certain that the use automated tools to mine these boards for feedback and aggregate it. So yes, you are missing the point.

[Calebro]

The Devs have nothing to do with it. They have near zero say about what goes in the store and what goes in the game. That decision is made above their pay grade. I am fairly certain that the use automated tools to mine these boards for feedback and aggregate it. So yes, you are missing the point.

And you're missing my point.
Most of the time it's tantamount to entering a discussion on Christmas and posting that you hate Nazis. Leave the discussion as it was and create your own topic if it's something that bothers you.

[Eladiun]

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[Chai]

LOL!
It's just been getting on my nerves more and more recently that any discussion will instantly be derailed by someone with a remark about the store. It's gotten to the point where I consider it disruptive and trolling, and should be worthy of repercussions IMO.

Yeap, I agree.

This is usually how I see people negatively referring to the DDO store:

Usually its people making mountains out of molehills, who use the arguementation method where every single time there is a specific negative discussion, they feel the need to bring up every single other negative aspect pertaining to other discussions that have ever happened, during the current negative conversation. Some people even have the remarkable talent of mentally cataloging and organizing each and every occurrence so they are ready with the ammunition they need to wage a quantity based arguement, which hinges entirely on their ability to regurgitate all negative aspects of the subject matter at will, when the time comes to have that conversation.

The end result of course is that the specific topic never gets addressed, because of the fact that all of the other fodder from previous discussions that is now in the way provides nifty little tangent points that all delve away from the real topic at hand that needs to be discussed. Quantity based arguementation sucks, as it detracts from specific discussions. See: combat feedback thread for a wonderful example of this.

[tihocan]

Well ive made about 20 flawless.....so either your doing it wrong...or not really trying....(or ive got a helluva gaming habit....and i can quit i swear anytime i want... )

As for the TR....i mean a few weeks of game play will get you through a TR....

I think the second quote answers your first question You seem to be playing a lot more than I do.

I'm curious how you managed to make 20 flawless though, that's 2000 regular shards... I *really* keep all the shards I loot (my best drops have been something like 5 regular shards in a single pull, and it only happened a handful times), and I don't see myself getting that many in the next 10 years.

[Cyr]

I don't hate the DDO store at all. I think it was a stellar idea, but like most things at Turbine it has major flaws. The biggest being the store exclusive items that can not be gotten in game followed up closely by the ' convenience items' that really do add onto your characters maximum potential such as mana pots, ability score boost pots, bunny hat, gold seal airship amenities contracts, and top tier airships. The most worrisome thing to me is that the direction seems to be to add more and more store exclusive items and more gear that adds to a characters top end to the store. It is telling that the favor system has for a few updates had enough favor to reach the next ranks in a few things and store exclusive items would have been perfect fits for these rewards, but instead they opted for none or to delay implementation to maximize store sales. This means that the development is entangled with the store.

[Gremmlynn]

I don't hate the DDO store at all. I think it was a stellar idea, but like most things at Turbine it has major flaws. The biggest being the store exclusive items that can not be gotten in game followed up closely by the ' convenience items' that really do add onto your characters maximum potential such as mana pots, ability score boost pots, bunny hat, gold seal airship amenities contracts, and top tier airships. The most worrisome thing to me is that the direction seems to be to add more and more store exclusive items and more gear that adds to a characters top end to the store. It is telling that the favor system has for a few updates had enough favor to reach the next ranks in a few things and store exclusive items would have been perfect fits for these rewards, but instead they opted for none or to delay implementation to maximize store sales. This means that the development is entangled with the store.

Hey, stop derailing a thread about not posting critical things about the store by posting critical things about the store.

Though the OP doesn't seem to mind if you derail threads by posting about things not involving the store, so find something else to post about in order to attempt derailment.

[Fedora]

For every person they convince to boycott the DDO store, there are dosens others who will continue to use it.

Or another possibility - every person they convince to boycot the DDO store brings a fun game that much closer to shutting down.

No money for Turbine = no DDO for us.

[DeadCleric]

**To me**:

Cash shop items don't bother me. Played MMO's back from EQ to now, and I have NEVER had "Teh best itemz". So missing a few here doesn't hurt me here.

Casuals won't care one way, hardcore will. That is what I see.

[JoeSkull]

**To me**:

Cash shop items don't bother me. Played MMO's back from EQ to now, and I have NEVER had "Teh best itemz". So missing a few here doesn't hurt me here.

Casuals won't care one way, hardcore will. That is what I see.

This is basically how I play. I would love to be able to buy stuff from the store and support DDO in that way, but I cant. I can support the game by making it a great, happy place that others want to buy items for.

Besides, I can get most of those items and the adventure packs just playing the game.