The evil cleric

[supp3nhuhn]

While reading through my clerics spell list i stumbled upon quite a lot necromancy spells, most even enhanced by the healing enhancements, so i thought i might try out a character that emphasizes on them.

While i was at it i also threw in some melee capabilities to conserve sp by not destructing or harming.
Weapons wise i was thinking about going s&b with the bastard sword and some nice tower shield for somewhat noticable ac.

Would like to hear if this could somewhat work out later.

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Level 20 Lawful Good Human Female
(2 Fighter \ 18 Cleric) 
Hit Points: 267
Spell Points: 1303 
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 16
Reflex: 6
Will: 20

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             15                    18
Dexterity             9                    10
Constitution         13                    14
Intelligence          8                     8
Wisdom               16                    28
Charisma             15                    18

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Strength used at level 1
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 1
+1 Tome of Constitution used at level 1
+1 Tome of Charisma used at level 1
+3 Tome of Wisdom used at level 20

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               0                     0
Bluff                 3                     4
Concentration         6                    25
Diplomacy             3                     4
Disable Device       n/a                   n/a
Haggle                3                     4
Heal                  7                    32
Hide                  0                     0
Intimidate            3                     4
Jump                  3                     4
Listen                3                     9
Move Silently         0                     0
Open Lock             n/a                   n/a
Perform               n/a                   n/a
Repair               -1                    -1
Search               -1                    -1
Spot                  3                     9
Swim                  3                     4
Tumble                n/a                   n/a
Use Magic Device      n/a                   n/a

Level 1 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Healing Spell
Feat: (Human Bonus) Spell Focus: Necromancy


Level 2 (Cleric)


Level 3 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Quicken Spell


Level 4 (Cleric)


Level 5 (Cleric)


Level 6 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Spell Focus: Necromancy


Level 7 (Cleric)


Level 8 (Cleric)


Level 9 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Maximize Spell


Level 10 (Cleric)


Level 11 (Cleric)


Level 12 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Heighten Spell


Level 13 (Cleric)


Level 14 (Cleric)


Level 15 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 16 (Cleric)


Level 17 (Cleric)


Level 18 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Bastard Sword


Level 19 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Two Handed Fighting


Level 20 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Strength I
Enhancement: Human Greater Adaptability Wisdom I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Cleric Heal I
Enhancement: Cleric Heal II
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Life I
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Life II
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Life III
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Incredible Life I
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Incredible Life II
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Incredible Life III
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic I
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic II
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic III
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic IV
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Spell Penetration I
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Spell Penetration II
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Spell Penetration III
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot I
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot II
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I
Enhancement: Cleric Charisma I
Enhancement: Cleric Charisma II
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom I
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom II
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom III
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Might I
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Might II
Enhancement: Cleric Extra Turning I
Enhancement: Cleric Extra Turning II
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Turning I
Enhancement: Cleric Radiant Servant I
Enhancement: Cleric Radiant Servant II

[Pwesiela]

While reading through my clerics spell list i stumbled upon quite a lot necromancy spells, most even enhanced by the healing enhancements, so i thought i might try out a character that emphasizes on them.

While i was at it i also threw in some melee capabilities to conserve sp by not destructing or harming.
Weapons wise i was thinking about going s&b with the bastard sword and some nice tower shield for somewhat noticable ac.

Would like to hear if this could somewhat work out later.

OK, you took bastard sword and two handed fighting?

I know there's some changes coming to BS in the update, and this may be one of them (glancing blows), but you're gonna be better off, in my opinion at least, going dwarven with d.axes. Expecially if you really want those two fighter levels. Your con goes up, your cha goes down, but who cares about turning if you're going to be inflicting?

Instead of thf, go with toughness and empower. Your barriers will do more, and your inflicts will do more. Empower healing only gets the healing side iirc, so you'll want those metas. And you'll open access to the toughness enhancements. You want those. Drop the cha and turning enhancements and take the toughness ones instead. Also, look into the new PrEs for clerics. I don't have them on hand, but one may be worth looking into.

Basically, it's looking like you want an "evil cleric" that also does fighting and turning, which an evil cleric would never do anyway. Technically, an evil cleric doesn't get the heal and cure spells for free, they get the inflicts. And they don't turn. They like undead things.

[TheDjinnFor]

Would like to hear if this could somewhat work out later.

Short answer, no. I would never play this if 'later' means end game.

Bastard swords? No.
S&B + melee? No.
Necromancy? No.
Human? No.
13 Con melee? No.
High Charisma/Turning specced on a melee cleric? No.
Heal skill? No.
Lack of Balance skill on a Melee? No.
Random +1 dex tome? No.

It's up to you though, really. I would just never roll this.

[EKKM]

If you want to make a battle cleric go ahead but why take the fighter levels at 19 & 20? The only time battle clerics are good at melee is at lower levels.

Also, take quicken much later in the build, its not needed until you get baldebarrier. Even then, not really needs just nice.

[supp3nhuhn]

OK, you took bastard sword and two handed fighting?

I know there's some changes coming to BS in the update, and this may be one of them (glancing blows), but you're gonna be better off, in my opinion at least, going dwarven with d.axes. Expecially if you really want those two fighter levels. Your con goes up, your cha goes down, but who cares about turning if you're going to be inflicting?

Instead of thf, go with toughness and empower. Your barriers will do more, and your inflicts will do more. Empower healing only gets the healing side iirc, so you'll want those metas. And you'll open access to the toughness enhancements. You want those. Drop the cha and turning enhancements and take the toughness ones instead. Also, look into the new PrEs for clerics. I don't have them on hand, but one may be worth looking into.

Basically, it's looking like you want an "evil cleric" that also does fighting and turning, which an evil cleric would never do anyway. Technically, an evil cleric doesn't get the heal and cure spells for free, they get the inflicts. And they don't turn. They like undead things.

Human gets me a wisdom enhancement and i need the charisma for divine might which is a sacred +4 damage buff.
Dwarven axes are worse without adders to crits or mobs in autocrit.

I edited because i posted the wrong built before, you may have read that and your post overlapped with my edit.
The build now has toughness.
I am not so sure about empower, will probably take it instead of quicken when casting speed seems ok for me.
Turning enhancements and empower healing are for the new PrE, took both levels.
The extra turns are for more burst healing via the PrE 2 aura.

Would love to be able to control undead instead of turning them but that doesn't work here

Short answer, no. I would never play this if 'later' means end game.

Bastard swords? No.
S&B + melee? No.
Necromancy? No.
Human? No.
13 Con melee? No.
High Charisma/Turning specced on a melee cleric? No.
Heal skill? No.
Lack of Balance skill on a Melee? No.
Random +1 dex tome? No.

It's up to you though, really. I would just never roll this.

Whats so bad about s&b and bastard swords? Will get glancing hits and i can have a somewhat helpful ac for soloing.
All inflicts are necromantic as well as two instadeath spells, whats so bad about it?
Humans can get wisdom and strength enhancements, whats bad about them?
Con is 14.
Cha is for divine might which gives +4 damage, might take out the cha enhancements if turning still sucks with radiant servant.
I like heal skill on a cleric because it conserves sp when party members can get full health while resting.
I'll be using a towershield and balance is an off skill so i couldn't really get it up to meaningful values :S
The +1 dex tome is +1 armor, wouldn't call that random.

If you want to make a battle cleric go ahead but why take the fighter levels at 19 & 20? The only time battle clerics are good at melee is at lower levels.

Also, take quicken much later in the build, its not needed until you get baldebarrier. Even then, not really needs just nice.

Oh i just fiddled with the editor and put them last, will go both into levels 1-4 when i roll it, sry.
Will postpone quicken till later then, and see if i'm not satisfied with normal casting speeds before taking/not taking it.
TY

[Pwesiela]

Whats so bad about s&b and bastard swords? Will get glancing hits and i can have a somewhat helpful ac for soloing.

Only if, by helpful ac, you mean something over 50. Since that's not too likely, you're better off having a potency item in one hand and a lore item in the other.

All inflicts are necromantic as well as two instadeath spells, whats so bad about it?

The biggest problem with inflict spells, though I do love them on my deathpriest, is that they have a fortitude save. Without highten, most mobs at end game will easily save on them, meaning you only do ~20 points of damage, which isn't worth it. Unlike casters, clerics get no persistent AoE spell like firewall or acid cloud, where you can just stand and fight in it. BB is wonderful, but it requires kiting the mob though. All other AoEs are a one time use.

Humans can get wisdom and strength enhancements, whats bad about them?
Con is 14.
Cha is for divine might which gives +4 damage, might take out the cha enhancements if turning still sucks with radiant servant.

Turning will still suck. Never worry about that. They keep trying, but it keeps failing. And if you're really looking ad devine might, paladin is the better option.

I like heal skill on a cleric because it conserves sp when party members can get full health while resting.
I'll be using a towershield and balance is an off skill so i couldn't really get it up to meaningful values :S
The +1 dex tome is +1 armor, wouldn't call that random.

The only ones you really have to worry about are those with massive hp. Like barbarians. And you won't get heal up far enough to cap those, so you'll need to cast anyways.

Oh i just fiddled with the editor and put them last, will go both into levels 1-4 when i roll it, sry.
Will postpone quicken till later then, and see if i'm not satisfied with normal casting speeds before taking/not taking it.
TY

You will want quicken when you start getting into raid boss fights and when you make regular use of blade barrier. I still say you want both empower and maximize. If empower healing wasn't a prereq, I'd say dump that too... Oh well.

[Talon_Moonshadow]

I made an "AlmostEvilBattleClr"

Who uses all those "evil" sounding spells.



......she sucks.

With the possible exception of Destruction at certain levels. And even then Clerics do not have the SP to be nukers.

The Inflict spells have an advantage of being able to hurt just about anything....even raid bosses. But you will run out of SP way too fast to contribute much that way.

Cursing......they die too fast. Same with Blinding or any other mean debuff you can think of.

They are not useless, and they can be fun at times.

But the "evil" cleric spells in this game are weak.

Better to heal, and bladebarrier (which i guess could be considered an evil spell.)
Throw the occasional Implosion and destruction....but you won't be blasting your way through a dungeon with those.

The good thing about an inflcit specced Clr though is his cure spells land for a lot of healing.


(still play mine on occasion, and still would like to get her to 20 someday. still have spells to try out from her perspective...actually draws a lot of agro in a boss fight)

[GhoulsTouch]

(Edit)
Okay so this is a Necromancy specced Evasion ITHF Quarterstaff BattleCaster with an Extra Wizard Level for an extra casting feat, but can use some arcane wands for buffs or for healing forged besides low level utility spells. It has decent Spell points for a MC cleric, with enhancements for damage spells with the damage amplifiers maxxed, alongside of enhancements for extra Spell Penetration including that feat combined with the Greater spell Penetration feat to make up for lost levels in cleric. Good thing about it is Water stance that can boost your wisdom, so also then your spell DC's. Wind or fire stance used for combat of course. Level 17 still allows for 9th level spell casting so no worries there.

To make the most of evasion you will have to gear up.

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Candle in the Wind
Level 20 Lawful Good Human Male
(2 Monk \ 17 Cleric \ 1 Wizard) 
Hit Points: 310
Spell Points: 1534 
BAB: 13\13\18\23
Fortitude: 16
Reflex: 9
Will: 24

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             16                    18
Dexterity            10                    12
Constitution         13                    16
Intelligence         10                    12
Wisdom               17                    28
Charisma              8                    10

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               2                    12
Bluff                -1                     0
Concentration         5                    23
Diplomacy            -1                     0
Disable Device        n/a                   n/a
Haggle               -1                     0
Heal                  3                    24
Hide                  0                     1
Intimidate           -1                     0
Jump                  5                    20
Listen                3                     9
Move Silently         0                     1
Open Lock             n/a                   n/a
Perform              n/a                    n/a
Repair                0                     4
Search                0                     1
Spot                  3                     9
Swim                  3                     4
Tumble                n/a                   2
Use Magic Device     n/a                    n/a

Level 1 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Maximize Spell
Feat: (Human Bonus) Two Handed Fighting


Level 2 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness


Level 3 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Mental Toughness


Level 4 (Cleric)


Level 5 (Cleric)


Level 6 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Spell Penetration


Level 7 (Cleric)


Level 8 (Cleric)


Level 9 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Handed Fighting


Level 10 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness


Level 11 (Cleric)


Level 12 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Mental Toughness


Level 13 (Cleric)


Level 14 (Cleric)


Level 15 (Wizard)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Spell Focus: Necromancy
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Spell Focus: Necromancy


Level 16 (Cleric)


Level 17 (Cleric)


Level 18 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Spell Penetration


Level 19 (Cleric)


Level 20 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Unyielding Sovereignty
Enhancement: Follower of the Sovereign Host
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Constitution I
Enhancement: Human Greater Adaptability Wisdom I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness III
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Smiting I
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Smiting II
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Life I
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Life II
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Incredible Smiting I
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Incredible Smiting II
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Incredible Life I
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Incredible Life II
Enhancement: Cleric Smiting I
Enhancement: Cleric Smiting II
Enhancement: Cleric Smiting III
Enhancement: Cleric Smiting IV
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic I
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic II
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic III
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic IV
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Spell Penetration I
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Spell Penetration II
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot I
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot II
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot III
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot IV
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom I
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom II
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom III
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Light I
Enhancement: Cleric Wand and Scroll Mastery I

[Visucius]

hate to sound dumb but wouldn't the evil cleric (tho whole inflict instead of heal deal) work well with PM? i know u save often from ur neg energy heal but if built right i would think u'd get a good heal still or..?

[supp3nhuhn]

Ok, reworked the char, has heighten, empower, empower healing, maximize and quicken now.
On top of that toughness and melee feats for basic s&b bastard sword glancing.
Naked necro DC is 29 which is 2 points below maximum with 18 starting wis and a +3 tome, so should be good.
Spell penetration only 20 but afaik inflicts are exempt from resistance so it doesn't matter that much and is still high enough to cast destruction on random trash mobs with a penetration item reliably.
Divine Might lowered to rank 1, extra turns for that and radiant auras.

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Level 20 Lawful Good Human Female
(2 Fighter \ 17 Cleric \ 1 Wizard) 
Hit Points: 262
Spell Points: 1218 
BAB: 14\14\19\24
Fortitude: 15
Reflex: 4
Will: 20

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             16                    20
Dexterity             8                     8
Constitution         14                    14
Intelligence          8                     8
Wisdom               16                    26
Charisma             14                    14

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Strength used at level 20
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 20

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance              -1                    -1
Bluff                 2                     2
Concentration         6                    22
Diplomacy             6                    22
Disable Device       n/a                   n/a
Haggle                2                     2
Heal                  3                    12
Hide                 -1                    -1
Intimidate            2                     2
Jump                  3                     9
Listen                3                     8
Move Silently        -1                    -1
Open Lock            n/a                   n/a
Perform               n/a                   n/a
Repair               -1                    -1
Search               -1                    -1
Spot                  3                     8
Swim                  3                     5
Tumble               n/a                   n/a
Use Magic Device      n/a                   n/a

Level 1 (Cleric)
Feat: (Human Bonus) Empower Healing Spell
Feat: (Selected) Empower Spell


Level 2 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Bastard Sword


Level 3 (Wizard)
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Spell Focus: Necromancy
Feat: (Selected) Two Handed Fighting


Level 4 (Cleric)


Level 5 (Cleric)


Level 6 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Spell Focus: Necromancy


Level 7 (Cleric)


Level 8 (Cleric)


Level 9 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Maximize Spell


Level 10 (Cleric)


Level 11 (Cleric)


Level 12 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
Feat: (Selected) Quicken Spell


Level 13 (Cleric)


Level 14 (Cleric)


Level 15 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 16 (Cleric)


Level 17 (Cleric)


Level 18 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected)  Heighten Spell


Level 19 (Cleric)


Level 20 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Unyielding Sovereignty
Enhancement: Follower of the Sovereign Host
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Wisdom I
Enhancement: Human Greater Adaptability Strength I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Cleric Heal I
Enhancement: Cleric Heal II
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Life I
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Life II
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Life III
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Incredible Life I
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Incredible Life II
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Incredible Life III
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic I
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic II
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic III
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic IV
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Spell Penetration I
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Spell Penetration II
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Spell Penetration III
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot I
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot II
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom I
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom II
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom III
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Might I
Enhancement: Cleric Extra Turning I
Enhancement: Cleric Extra Turning II
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Turning I
Enhancement: Cleric Radiant Servant I
Enhancement: Cleric Radiant Servant II

[Pwesiela]

Ok, reworked the char, has heighten, empower, empower healing, maximize and quicken now.
On top of that toughness and melee feats for basic s&b bastard sword glancing.
Naked necro DC is 29 which is 2 points below maximum with 18 starting wis and a +3 tome, so should be good.
Spell penetration only 20 but afaik inflicts are exempt from resistance so it doesn't matter that much and is still high enough to cast destruction on random trash mobs with a penetration item reliably.
Divine Might lowered to rank 1, extra turns for that and radiant auras.

Correct, inflicts and harm do not have SR. Command, soundburst, implosion (?) and the like do though, so it's always nice to have a booster item.

I would look to see if there's a way to put extend in there too. Longer buffs, BB, are always nice, expecially when it's only 10 sp.

You may want to think about finding a way with your enhancements to get the 2nd toughness. It's 2 ap, 10 hp, and if you're serious about melee, you want more hp. You may want to consider dropping the fighter haste boost (which tends to reduce your dps as it has a warm up time before use) or life magic 4, since you'll have a wizardry item (right?) to boost your sp pool over 2k anyways.

[Kalari]

Wow when I saw the title of this thread I thought it maybe a guildy complaining about me when I have no booze or my "friend of the month" is around either way hope you have fun with your build will agree with the others about Bastard swords especially if your looking to be a semi viable melee along with the healer stuff. Other then that I never give build advice just not good at that kinda stuff lol.

[supp3nhuhn]

Correct, inflicts and harm do not have SR. Command, soundburst, implosion (?) and the like do though, so it's always nice to have a booster item.

I would look to see if there's a way to put extend in there too. Longer buffs, BB, are always nice, expecially when it's only 10 sp.

You may want to think about finding a way with your enhancements to get the 2nd toughness. It's 2 ap, 10 hp, and if you're serious about melee, you want more hp. You may want to consider dropping the fighter haste boost (which tends to reduce your dps as it has a warm up time before use) or life magic 4, since you'll have a wizardry item (right?) to boost your sp pool over 2k anyways.

Ya, i was thinking about extend, especially since it means radiant healing aura 24/7.
Problem is if i drop a single weapon feat i might as well drop the fighter levels and go dol dorns champion for melee purposes. This might in fact be the better char but i kinda like meleeing too much.
About the enhancements, i like the haste boost, normally click it while still charging so i don't really loose dps.
Life magic increases my negative energy spells as well so i won't loose that, maybe i could drop an extra turn for toughness though, only tested radiant servant 1 thus far, so not sure how good those bursts heals really are.

Anyways enhancements can be adjusted on the fly, so i don't mind having to test it out until i find something i feel comfortable with.

... either way hope you have fun with your build ...

Thanks

[Pwesiela]

Ya, i was thinking about extend, especially since it means radiant healing aura 24/7.
Problem is if i drop a single weapon feat i might as well drop the fighter levels and go dol dorns champion for melee purposes. This might in fact be the better char but i kinda like meleeing too much.
About the enhancements, i like the haste boost, normally click it while still charging so i don't really loose dps.
Life magic increases my negative energy spells as well so i won't loose that, maybe i could drop an extra turn for toughness though, only tested radiant servant 1 thus far, so not sure how good those bursts heals really are.

Anyways enhancements can be adjusted on the fly, so i don't mind having to test it out until i find something i feel comfortable with.

Whoops! Meant Energy of Zealot 2, not Life 4. My bad.

Dol Dorns is not a good melee option. It's for longswords, right? Not worth it. You're better off, as I said earlier, going dwarven with d.axes. Plus you get more hp for those melee moments, and maybe even a few enhancements that you should look at (dwarven con too, opening up a full toughness line, though toughness 4 may be expensive). Honestly, take a look at dwarf. I know they're ugly, and stinky, but it may better suit what you're wanting to do. Enhancement-wise, you get some sp ones, some axe ones, toughness, and several others that may be better than human.

Edit: Or is this a reworking of an existant char?

[supp3nhuhn]

Whoops! Meant Energy of Zealot 2, not Life 4. My bad.

Dol Dorns is not a good melee option. It's for longswords, right? Not worth it. You're better off, as I said earlier, going dwarven with d.axes. Plus you get more hp for those melee moments, and maybe even a few enhancements that you should look at (dwarven con too, opening up a full toughness line, though toughness 4 may be expensive). Honestly, take a look at dwarf. I know they're ugly, and stinky, but it may better suit what you're wanting to do. Enhancement-wise, you get some sp ones, some axe ones, toughness, and several others that may be better than human.

Edit: Or is this a reworking of an existant char?

Ah ok, switching from zealot to toughness seems worth it all right.

Won't go dwarf because i don't have the ap to get their racial benefits, i'd loose divine might so i would be 2 damage lower and would loose turns which are more worthwhile with the new pre than before.

While i would get the axe for free i'd loose the human bonus feat so its more about which weapon is better and since i don't have any threat range increases that would be the bastard sword unless the mob is in autocrit which won't happen that often when i solo because i'd prefer to make use of my necro stuff and in teams theres always a barb or something around to kill it in a second or so.

Oh and just for the record i like dwarves actually

[Pwesiela]

Won't go dwarf because i don't have the ap to get their racial benefits, i'd loose divine might so i would be 2 damage lower and would loose turns which are more worthwhile with the new pre than before.

Worthwhile turns remains to be seen. You may loose the devine might, but you'd gain the axe damage. But, not sure how many AP you'd be saving/using, since I'm at work and can't give it a real look (so I'm BSing off the top of my memory, never a good sign).

Also, you're supposed to be EVIL, right???? Why are you worried about burst HEALING??? KILL EVERYTHING!!!

I just can't see an evil cleric taking enhancements designed soley to heal.... /shakehead

Guess I'm just gonna say I advocate dropping the PrE. Just because it's there doesn't mean you should/have to take it. Look at virtuoso or deepwood sniper for crying out loud.

While i would get the axe for free i'd loose the human bonus feat so its more about which weapon is better and since i don't have any threat range increases that would be the bastard sword unless the mob is in autocrit which won't happen that often when i solo because i'd prefer to make use of my necro stuff and in teams theres always a barb or something around to kill it in a second or so.

Oh and just for the record i like dwarves actually

So, you like short, heafty, stinky, hairy....I'm not going to continue where this mental image is taking me....

/runsaway

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Worthwhile turns remains to be seen. You may loose the devine might, but you'd gain the axe damage. But, not sure how many AP you'd be saving/using, since I'm at work and can't give it a real look (so I'm BSing off the top of my memory, never a good sign).

Also, you're supposed to be EVIL, right???? Why are you worried about burst HEALING??? KILL EVERYTHING!!!

I just can't see an evil cleric taking enhancements designed soley to heal.... /shakehead

Guess I'm just gonna say I advocate dropping the PrE. Just because it's there doesn't mean you should/have to take it. Look at virtuoso or deepwood sniper for crying out loud.

I merely heal em to prolong their suffering

The new pre is better then you might think, in fact with ticks being cancelled by attacking having been declared as a bug i think its going to get nerfed rather sooner then later.
Healing auras stack and a tick by a high level cleric easily gets above 20 points, plus a chance to crit for extra healing.
It can be run indefinitely thanks to recharging turns.
So a group of 6 battle clerics will get healed for 150ish damage every couple of seconds (i think a tick was 3 secs, could be wrong here) before gear/enhancer that add to the amount received.