U5 Ninja Spy Build

[boilerman]

OK, this is the first time I have posted on the boards for build feedback, put I do appreciate criticism.

The goal is to take one of my older characters and TR him for a ninja spy he already has Past Life Rogue and Fighter, so this is a 32 point Drow build. I was trying to think of something that would take advantage of Sneaks of Shadows shortswords and the New Ninja Spy stuff. I did save 6AP as the char builder I was using didnt have the new stuff in it yet.

I don't know if I am really comfortable with the amount of HPs he will end up with but he should have a decent amount of AC as 8 rogue will also get him uncanny dodge. Having played alot of rogues I must say I dont think any of their Tier one PREs are worth the cost. Also I have not done the Equipment breakdown but, it would be typical monk stuff btw with some Greensteel shortswords.

Edit -- I have updated this build, this is no longer the current version here

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Ninja  Dude
Level 20 Lawful Neutral Drow Male
(12 Monk \ 8 Rogue) 
Hit Points: 305
Spell Points: 0 
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 12
Reflex: 20
Will: 14

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             16                    23
Dexterity            17                    23
Constitution         12                    14
Intelligence         12                    14
Wisdom               14                    18
Charisma             10                    12

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 6
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               7                    27
Bluff                 0                     2
Concentration         1                    22
Diplomacy             0                     2
Disable Device        5                    26
Haggle                0                     2
Heal                  2                     5
Hide                  7                    23
Intimidate            0                     2
Jump                  6                    16
Listen                2                     7
Move Silently         7                    23
Open Lock             7                    15
Perform               n/a                   n/a
Repair                1                     3
Search                5                    28
Spot                  6                    25
Swim                  3                     7
Tumble                4                    11
Use Magic Device      4                    25

Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Dodge
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Fighter
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Rogue


Level 2 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Two Weapon Fighting


Level 3 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Past Life: Sneak of Shadows
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness


Level 4 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Path) Path of Inevitable Dominion: Fists of Darkness


Level 5 (Monk)


Level 6 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 7 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Combat Expertise


Level 8 (Monk)


Level 9 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting


Level 10 (Monk)


Level 11 (Monk)


Level 12 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Defense


Level 13 (Monk)


Level 14 (Rogue)


Level 15 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting


Level 16 (Rogue)


Level 17 (Rogue)


Level 18 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 19 (Rogue)


Level 20 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost II
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost III
Enhancement: Drow Melee Attack I
Enhancement: Drow Melee Attack II
Enhancement: Drow Melee Damage I
Enhancement: Drow Melee Damage II
Enhancement: Elven Dexterity I
Enhancement: Elven Dexterity II
Enhancement: Way of the Patient Tortiose I
Enhancement: Way of the Patient Tortiose II
Enhancement: Way of the Patient Tortiose III
Enhancement: All-Consuming Flame
Enhancement: Monk Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Monk Improved Recovery II
Enhancement: Adept of Wind
Enhancement: Master of Thunder
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training III
Enhancement: Monk Jump I
Enhancement: Monk Jump II
Enhancement: Monk Tumble I
Enhancement: Monk Tumble II
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity I
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity II
Enhancement: Monk Wisdom I
Enhancement: Monk Wisdom II
Enhancement: Rogue Improved Trap Sense I
Enhancement: Rogue Improved Trap Sense II

[unbongwah]

It looks like you're trying to go for a high-AC build. If that's the case - and since you know you'll be focused on short swords - then this is one of those few instances where I might go with a high-DEX Finesse + Power Attack build. DEX 17 + 5 lvl-ups + 2 drow + 2 rogue = 28. What to drop for Finesse & PA, though - maybe TWD & one Toughness? Move 2 pts from STR to CON to make up for the lost Toughness; and the higher DEX helps offset the loss of TWD.

[boilerman]

Well to be honest I was thinking of ditching CE for PA in general in this build. When making it I was thinking of having a decent enough AC for everything except epic.

If I ditched CE I would drop 2 int and pick up one dex, that and I would still have defensive fighting. This would not be a max DPS build by any stretch, but would be a nice combo of Monk and Rogue Skills with quite a bit of sneak attack damage too with the new Monk PRE. I was also thinking of dropping 2WDefense for Quick Draw, as this toon will be using Haste Boost and Sneaks of Shadows.

Personally I think Weapon Finesse is pretty much a waste of a feat on any build, but that is just me.

[boilerman]

I decided to pretty much revamp this whole build after talking to a few people. I think having 100% off hand attacks and 5% double strike from windstance would be pretty nice. Although this build is very similar to an exploiter build. I am assuming the 25% miss chance due to incorporeality on ninja spy stacks with Blur/Displacement. This build also allows me the only 3 FEs I really end up caring about Giant, Undead and Evil Outsiders. I did not work too hard on the skill setup because on these multiclasses they end up being a headache however the main ones I tried to put points into. I could prolly spare a few more points for Open Lock if I went back over it. The skills are also the reason I went 2 rogue and made it the 20th level, as it also gives me another +1 reflex.

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Ninja Man 
Level 20 Lawful Neutral Drow Male
(6 Monk \ 2 Rogue \ 12 Ranger) 
Hit Points: 290
Spell Points: 199 
BAB: 17\17\22\27\27
Fortitude: 15
Reflex: 23
Will: 13

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             16                    23
Dexterity            17                    24
Constitution         12                    14
Intelligence         12                    14
Wisdom               14                    18
Charisma             10                    12

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               7                    24
Bluff                 0                     2
Concentration         1                    26
Diplomacy             0                     2
Disable Device        5                    24
Haggle                0                     2
Heal                  2                     5
Hide                  7                    13
Intimidate            0                     2
Jump                  5                    14
Listen                2                     7
Move Silently         7                    13
Open Lock             7                    12
Perform               n/a                   n/a
Repair                1                     3
Search                5                    27
Spot                  6                    29
Swim                  3                     7
Tumble                5                    12
Use Magic Device      4                    25

Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Dodge
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Fighter
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Rogue


Level 2 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness


Level 3 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Undead
Feat: (Selected) Mobility


Level 4 (Ranger)


Level 5 (Ranger)


Level 6 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Spring Attack


Level 7 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Giant


Level 8 (Ranger)


Level 9 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Combat Expertise
Feat: (Selected) Past Life: Sneak of Shadows


Level 10 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Path) Path of Inevitable Dominion: Fists of Darkness


Level 11 (Monk)


Level 12 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Piercing Weapons


Level 13 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness


Level 14 (Ranger)


Level 15 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Defense


Level 16 (Ranger)


Level 17 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Evil Outsider


Level 18 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack


Level 19 (Ranger)


Level 20 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Ranger Sprint Boost I
Enhancement: Ranger Sprint Boost II
Enhancement: Ranger Sprint Boost III
Enhancement: Drow Melee Attack I
Enhancement: Drow Melee Damage I
Enhancement: Drow Melee Damage II
Enhancement: Elven Dexterity I
Enhancement: Elven Dexterity II
Enhancement: Elven Enchantment Resistance I
Enhancement: Static Charge
Enhancement: Way of the Patient Tortiose I
Enhancement: Way of the Patient Tortiose II
Enhancement: Adept of Wind
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage I
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage II
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage III
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Defense I
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Defense II
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Resistance I
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Resistance II
Enhancement: Ranger Tempest I
Enhancement: Ranger Tempest II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Enhancement: Monk Jump I
Enhancement: Monk Jump II
Enhancement: Monk Tumble I
Enhancement: Monk Tumble II
Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity I
Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity II
Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity III
Enhancement: Monk Wisdom I
Enhancement: Monk Wisdom II
Enhancement: Rogue Improved Trap Sense I

[DarkAlchemist]

Personally I think Weapon Finesse is pretty much a waste of a feat on any build, but that is just me.

How so since a pure dex build can't hit the broad side of a barn and I know this as my first character suffered from 1-3 of not hitting squat until I took it then I had such low str (6 or 8 I can't remember 100%) I could but I was hitting for 1-3 as a rogue.

If you don't have weapon finesse on a pure dex build then you are going to miss so much your party will be doing the killing for you.