Two Levels

[jellyfish21]

IMO, every build should be multiclass, with two levels of a "mix" class.
For examples:
18 Wizard / 2 rogue
18 Sorc / 2 paladin
18 rogue / 2 fighter
18 bard / 2 rogue
18 monk / 2 Fighter
18 ranger / 2 monk
18 cleric / 2 rogue
18 FvS / 2 fighter
18 paladin / 2 rogue
18 fighter / 2 paladin
18 barbarian / 2 fighter

Just my opinion.

[OldAquarian]

IMO, every build should be multiclass, with two levels of a "mix" class.
For examples:
18 Wizard / 2 rogue
18 Sorc / 2 paladin
18 rogue / 2 fighter
18 bard / 2 rogue
18 monk / 2 Fighter
18 ranger / 2 monk
18 cleric / 2 rogue
18 FvS / 2 fighter
18 paladin / 2 rogue
18 fighter / 2 paladin
18 barbarian / 2 fighter

Just my opinion.

You should have said this before they went through the trouble of coming up with capstones
Could we call these splashes instead of mixes, it might catch on faster that way

[purple_paladin]

it always depends on the build and the builds goal, some of the capstones are pretty powerful

fighter - 10% attack speed boost with any/all weapons
wiz/bard - if looking for high dc spells its very hard to splash anything
etc.
monk - 10epic damage resistance


im sure some one could give you extremely strong reasons for not playing any of those splits, not to say any of them are bad(a few are good, but half of them im pretty sure would completely ruin a character[18fighter/2paly])

[ZeroTakenaka]

it always depends on the build and the builds goal, some of the capstones are pretty powerful

fighter - 10% attack speed boost with any/all weapons
wiz/bard - if looking for high dc spells its very hard to splash anything
etc.
monk - 10epic damage resistance


im sure some one could give you extremely strong reasons for not playing any of those splits, not to say any of them are bad(a few are good, but half of them im pretty sure would completely ruin a character[18fighter/2paly])

Pure Paladin Capstone - All weapons treated as good-aligned, adds 1d6 good damage to non-good creatures, adds 2d6 light damage vs. evil outsiders

Epic Sword of Shadow - +10 Great Sword (base dmg: 4d6 +10, crit: 18-20 / x4), Adamantine, Empty Colorless Augment Slot, Empty Red Augment Slot

Colorless, 20 dungeon token

+6 to any statistic, enhancement bonus

Colorless, 25 dungeon and 5 raid tokens

+1 exceptional, any statistic

Red, 20 dungeon token (all red effects add dr-breaking properties)

Break DR/silver
Break DR/cold iron
Break DR/adamantine
Break DR/byeshk
Break DR/riedran crystal

Red, 30 dungeon token (these are dr-breaking effects, not added damage)

Break DR/good
Break DR/evil
Break DR/lawful
Break DR/chaotic

Red, 15 Raid

Weapon/shield gains +7 enhancement (again, epic items start at +6 enhancement)

Silver + Epic SoS + Paladin Capstone = Death on steroids

[Bacab]

ummmm

CLR should 18/2 with MNK for WIS AC bonus and 2 feats...
FVS should 18/2 with MNK for WIS AC bonus and 2 feats...BUT FVS has an insanely sick capstone...so why bother?

But you did give yourself an "out" and did indeed say "just my opinion". Only thing is most people will think your opinion is wrong, and uneducated. I can point out many other redundant things you put in this...but obviously you are just trolling...

[sigtrent]

wiz/bard - if looking for high dc spells its very hard to splash anything
etc.

Spell DC is not dependent on class level, spell penetration is. Splash wizards/bards typically have equal DC's but weaker spell penetration compared to pure builds.

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[Lorien_the_First_One]

IMO, every build should be multiclass, with two levels of a "mix" class..

I could go through and argue each of your examples, but its easier to say you are being too simplistic, have chosen some less than ideal MCs, and missed some of the advantages of being pure.

But, your opinion is fine for you.

[unbongwah]

Spell DC is not dependent on class level, spell penetration is.

But spell DC is based on spell level, right? And since you use Heighten to raise a spell's effective level to your max spell level, your spell DCs are indirectly affected by how many caster levels you have.

[Dandonk]

But spell DC is based on spell level, right? And since you use Heighten to raise a spell's effective level to your max spell level, your spell DCs are indirectly affected by how many caster levels you have.

True, but if going 18 caster levels, you still get level 9 spells, so don't lose out on DC due to that. (At max level, that is - you'll be 1 DC behind while levelling, of course)

If we're talking wizard, you'll lose out on DC due to capstone, though.

[Diarden]

IMO, every build should be multiclass, with two levels of a "mix" class.
For examples:
18 Wizard / 2 rogue
18 Sorc / 2 paladin
18 rogue / 2 fighter
18 bard / 2 rogue
18 monk / 2 Fighter
18 ranger / 2 monk
18 cleric / 2 rogue
18 FvS / 2 fighter
18 paladin / 2 rogue
18 fighter / 2 paladin
18 barbarian / 2 fighter

Just my opinion.

So you're saying a Frenzied Berserker Barb should take 2 levels of fighter and lose his capstone? And the Sorc takes 2 levels of Paladin for what? Losing all those spell slots for paladin is worthless.

Barbs and Sorcs should rarely ever be multiclassed.

[sigtrent]

So you're saying a Frenzied Berserker Barb should take 2 levels of fighter and lose his capstone? And the Sorc takes 2 levels of Paladin for what? Losing all those spell slots for paladin is worthless.

Barbs and Sorcs should rarely ever be multiclassed.

Indeed. I'd say about the only class where pure classing might be a straight up mistake is Rogue, since their capstone is so lackluster and there are no class abilities tied into their level.

[OldAquarian]

Indeed. I'd say about the only class where pure classing might be a straight up mistake is Rogue, since their capstone is so lackluster and there are no class abilities tied into their level.

Ranger

[Andoir]

Indeed. I'd say about the only class where pure classing might be a straight up mistake is Rogue, since their capstone is so lackluster and there are no class abilities tied into their level.

The assassin PRE is directly related to class level. Not that I disagree with you, a straight up sin might though.

[Gnorbert]

IMO, every build should be multiclass, with two levels of a "mix" class.
For examples:
18 Wizard / 2 rogue
18 Sorc / 2 paladin
18 rogue / 2 fighter
18 bard / 2 rogue
18 monk / 2 Fighter
18 ranger / 2 monk
18 cleric / 2 rogue
18 FvS / 2 fighter
18 paladin / 2 rogue
18 fighter / 2 paladin
18 barbarian / 2 fighter

Just my opinion.

Personally I think they should mix up the levels at which different classes get access to the higher tiers of their prestige enhancements. Like put FB III at level 19 instead of 18. Or give Paladins tier 3 at level 15. Or implement the next set of PREs for each class at different level breaks.

I'm really tired of seeing 18/2 and 12/6/2. I'd love for there to be a reason to do 10/10 for some classes.

[cdbd3rd]

IMO, every one of my builds should be multiclass, with two levels of a "mix" class.
....

IMO, there should be a sobriety checkpoint on the forum's log in screen.


However, with the amended fix above, I'll /sign your opinion.

[Lorz]

I think you should be required to take 2 levels of every class.

For a well rounded toon

[Chai]

I do this all the time, why the hate?

I have an 18 fighter 2 fighter splash for the extra feat plus capstone.

I have an 18 barbarian 2 barbarian splash for the extra strength plus capstone.

I have an 18 wizard 2 wizard splash for lack of rogue skills and evasion, plus capstone. I might TR this guy to an 18 sorc 2 sorc splash, or an 18 FvS 2 FvS splash. Not sure which one I will go with yet.

[OldAquarian]

I do this all the time, why the hate?

I have an 18 fighter 2 fighter splash for the extra feat plus capstone.

I have an 18 barbarian 2 barbarian splash for the extra strength plus capstone.

I have an 18 wizard 2 wizard splash for lack of rogue skills and evasion, plus capstone. I might TR this guy to an 18 sorc 2 sorc splash, or an 18 FvS 2 FvS splash. Not sure which one I will go with yet.

The Fighter/Fighter and Barb/Barb sound interesting but the Wiz/Wiz might not be a good idea because splashing casters with casters generally doesn't work out that well. Although with the capstone benefit it might just work, as long as you plan it out ahead of time and plan when to take the splash levels.