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  1. #1
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    Question Dex based Bard/Fighter 18/2. Viable?

    I'm planning to roll a dex based bard but I found a few posts by people saying Weapon Finesse is a waste of feats and end game critters have low to-hit requirements. My build is below:

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    Level 20 Neutral Good Drow Female
    (2 Fighter \ 18 Bard) 
    Hit Points: 240
    Spell Points: 661 
    BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
    Fortitude: 11
    Reflex: 18
    Will: 11
    
                      Starting          Feat/Enhancement
    Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
    (28 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
    Strength             13                    14
    Dexterity            18                    24
    Constitution         13                    14
    Intelligence         10                    10
    Wisdom               10                    10
    Charisma             13                    16
    
                      Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                     Base Skills         Modified Skills
    Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
    Balance               8                    30
    Bluff                 1                     3
    Concentration         5                    25
    Diplomacy             1                     3
    Disable Device        n/a                   n/a
    Haggle                5                    26
    Heal                  0                     0
    Hide                  4                     7
    Intimidate            1                     3
    Jump                  4                    16
    Listen                0                     2
    Move Silently         4                     7
    Open Lock             n/a                   n/a
    Perform               5                    26
    Repair                0                     0
    Search                0                     2
    Spot                  0                     2
    Swim                  1                     2
    Tumble                5                     8
    Use Magic Device      5                    26
    
    Level 1 (Bard)
    Feat: (Selected) Power Attack
    Enhancement: Bard Extra Song I
    Enhancement: Bard Inspired Bravery I
    Enhancement: Drow Melee Damage I
    
    
    Level 2 (Fighter)
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Finesse
    Enhancement: Fighter Item Defense I
    
    
    Level 3 (Bard)
    Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Piercing Weapons
    Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage I
    Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song I
    Enhancement: Bard Charisma I
    
    
    Level 4 (Bard)
    Ability Raise: CON
    Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack I
    Enhancement: Drow Melee Attack I
    
    
    Level 5 (Bard)
    Enhancement: Bard Extra Song II
    
    
    Level 6 (Bard)
    Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell
    Enhancement: Bard Inspired Bravery II
    
    
    Level 7 (Bard)
    Enhancement: Bard Warchanter I
    Enhancement: Drow Melee Damage II
    
    
    Level 8 (Bard)
    Ability Raise: DEX
    Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage II
    Enhancement: Elven Dexterity I
    
    
    Level 9 (Fighter)
    Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting
    Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Two Weapon Fighting
    Enhancement: Bard Extra Song III
    Enhancement: Fighter Strength I
    
    
    Level 10 (Bard)
    Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack II
    
    
    Level 11 (Bard)
    
    
    Level 12 (Bard)
    Ability Raise: DEX
    Feat: (Selected) Toughness
    Enhancement: Elven Dexterity II
    Enhancement: Bard Charisma II
    
    
    Level 13 (Bard)
    Enhancement: Bard Charisma III
    
    
    Level 14 (Bard)
    Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
    Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I
    
    
    Level 15 (Bard)
    Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting
    Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack III
    
    
    Level 16 (Bard)
    Ability Raise: DEX
    Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage III
    
    
    Level 17 (Bard)
    Enhancement: Drow Melee Attack II
    
    
    Level 18 (Bard)
    Feat: (Selected) Mental Toughness
    Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
    
    
    Level 19 (Bard)
    Enhancement: Bard Extra Song IV
    Enhancement: Bard Music of the Dead
    
    
    Level 20 (Bard)
    Ability Raise: DEX
    Enhancement: Fighter Armor Class Boost I
    Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song II
    Enhancement: Bard Music of Makers

    My game time is very limited so I'll be going solo a lot. I'm hoping the high dex + damage mitigation spells/songs will help me survive quests while the TWF * Song/spell/weapon effects will help me kill critters quickly.

    My questions:

    What's the normal AC range for Str based toons going solo at levels 5, 10, 15 & 20? A rough estimate will do
    With the build above, what sort of AC can I expect when soloing at the same level ranges?
    Str based builds can get up to +6 extra damage compared to Dex builds, and I believe Dex based builds can get up to +6 extra AC with the right armor type. In your opinion, which is the better option?
    Is this build viable and more importantly, fun to play?

    I should mention that I don't plan on spending too much at the DDO Store. Maybe drop a few bucks now and then for adventure packs during sales.

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    Looks like you're missing Improved Crit, which is a must have.
    Your build should work well at low/mid levels but you should be aware that later on, you won't be able to maintain a high enough AC, your DPS may start being a bit low due to being Dex-based, and you won't be able to land your CC spells due to the low Cha and the lack of spellcasting feats. Being solo, you'll probably have a rough time.
    I would recommend going Str-based instead, to at least be able to kill stuff faster (lack of AC and offensive spellcasting is ok on such a build).

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    Thanks for your response. It prompted to me to dig deeper and I found a solo Cleric build focused on AC. According to the post, you need at least 60+ AC in the higher levels!

    I think I'll go and look at Str builds now. I don't want to invest all my time and effort and one day find out that my build isn't solo-able after level 12.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pemain View Post
    Thanks for your response. It prompted to me to dig deeper and I found a solo Cleric build focused on AC. According to the post, you need at least 60+ AC in the higher levels!
    Yep, and you're unlikely to reach this on a cleric without some serious gear grind which may not be easy to accomplish solo.

    Quote Originally Posted by pemain View Post
    I think I'll go and look at Str builds now. I don't want to invest all my time and effort and one day find out that my build isn't solo-able after level 12.
    The Warchanter build I posted in that stickied thread actually isn't very far from yours, except it's Str-based THF instead of Dex-based TWF. You could make a Str-based TWF version of it, and it should work better than Dex-based at higher level.

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