WF monk

[Paneth]

So I was debating making a WF monk (32 pt build) for fun but then I looked at overall what the monk gets immune wise and was wondering what would be the point of a WF monk, just to get the immune stuff earlier? Only other thing I can think of is the damage resistance.

[Xeriphim]

Warforges have additional immunites that fleshies don't have an monks don't have . The immunity to level drains and immunity to paralysis are nice benefits . Not having to swap an item for Underwater action is nice .

Having a general higher con , unless the fleshie is a dwarf ... Having racial enhancements for increased power attack . warforge tactics , all good stuff . One of the more vetern monk posters Arkat , knows his stuff an runs a pretty sweet top end war forged monk . Ac is comparable an competitive to fleshies . Dps is pretty sweet . A lack of spell resistence is about the only downfall lacking on a warforge early on til 13th level when they gain monk spell resistance .

the healing penalties you can over come with healers friend enhancements and monk improved recovery enhancements ... Plus as a warforged you also gain healing benefits from wiz/ sorcs , doubling your healing options .

Just have to get used to looking at a butt ugly character for hours on end as warforged are not going to win the local storm reach beauty pagent .

[Arkat]

Warforges have additional immunites that fleshies don't have an monks don't have . The immunity to level drains and immunity to paralysis are nice benefits . Not having to swap an item for Underwater action is nice .

/Signed!

Paneth, don't underestimate the utility of being immune to Hold Person or immunity to level drains. The level drain thing is invaluable in the Subterrane and anywhere else there are Beholders!

Having a general higher con , unless the fleshie is a dwarf ... Having racial enhancements for increased power attack . warforge tactics , all good stuff . One of the more vetern monk posters Arkat , knows his stuff an runs a pretty sweet top end war forged monk . Ac is comparable an competitive to fleshies . Dps is pretty sweet . A lack of spell resistence is about the only downfall lacking on a warforge early on til 13th level when they gain monk spell resistance .

Thanks for the nice words Xeriphim. +1 Rep for you.

Paneth, if you want my build, send me a PM and I'll reply back with it.

the healing penalties you can over come with healers friend enhancements and monk improved recovery enhancements ... Plus as a warforged you also gain healing benefits from wiz/ sorcs , doubling your healing options .

Also very true.

Just have to get used to looking at a butt ugly character for hours on end as warforged are not going to win the local storm reach beauty pagent .

On the contrary...Arkat came in 2nd place at last year's Mr. Khyber pageant. Woulda won had my keyboard been working right during the talent portion of the competition!

[Feynt]

I would have to agree with the anti-Hold Person part. I haven't encountered many level draining enemies myself, but plenty of enemies who hold. Being alone against those enemies as any other race, I've died due to being made helpless. Even my drow paladin who can avoid it due to spell resistance won't do so all the time like my warforged rogue. It's really quite useful. There was a time I would have said, "nah, warforged wouldn't make a good monk" but now, for that alone, I'd say it's worth a look. Particularly if you have the 32 pt build unlocked to make up for the Wis penalty.

[Maegin]

at lvl 20, arnt you immune to hold person stuff anyways? and cant you just get a trinket for beholders?

I heard somewhere that on epic quests, people atually had to turn off power attack for a second :/

so... wf?

[Arkat]

at lvl 20, arnt you immune to hold person stuff anyways? and cant you just get a trinket for beholders?

Evidently you're not that familiar with the Subterrane. There's one place there with about 7 Beholders in close proximity to each other. Your trinket won't mean squat there.

[Maegin]

Evidently you're not that familiar with the Subterrane. There's one place there with about 7 Beholders in close proximity to each other. Your trinket won't mean squat there.

Im aware.

But I just dont see it as a priority to be a wf, just a beholder hunter, or so it seems

But, either way, wf make good anything, if your prepared right

[TreknaQudane]

at lvl 20, arnt you immune to hold person stuff anyways? and cant you just get a trinket for beholders?

I heard somewhere that on epic quests, people atually had to turn off power attack for a second :/

so... wf?

Trinkets run out, being a WF doesn't. Not having to sacrifice item slots for immunity items is always good

[Arkat]

Trinkets run out, being a WF doesn't. Not having to sacrifice item slots for immunity items is always good

Agreed.

[Mobeius]

I havent paid attention, I guess I need to, but at 20th level you are a lawful outsider and immune to hold person anyway. AFAIK neither is immune to hold monster.

For beholders I dont worry about them anymore, IF they do manage to penetrate my SR and my Saves now a days I just take a death. Does it happen yes it does.

Now this is NOT to say WF do not make great monks, I think they can be great monks, hence why i mention them along with Halflings about being great monks right a long humans.

Lastly, I also think its the PLAYER that also makes a great monk, which I also stated that about any race can be a good race for monks. Hence why I dance around a beholder using strafing attacks and stunning and QP. Diplomacy also works wonders about throwing a beholders agro away from you.

[Maegin]

I havent paid attention, I guess I need to, but at 20th level you are a lawful outsider and immune to hold person anyway. AFAIK neither is immune to hold monster.

For beholders I dont worry about them anymore, IF they do manage to penetrate my SR and my Saves now a days I just take a death. Does it happen yes it does.

Now this is NOT to say WF do not make great monks, I think they can be great monks, hence why i mention them along with Halflings about being great monks right a long humans.

Lastly, I also think its the PLAYER that also makes a great monk, which I also stated that about any race can be a good race for monks. Hence why I dance around a beholder using strafing attacks and stunning and QP. Diplomacy also works wonders about throwing a beholders agro away from you.

ty for the backup/info. Thats basically what i was trying to get at guys...

...not bashin wf

[onethreeone]

I'm guessing not since Barb DR doesn't stack with WF DR, but does Earth Stance stack with WF DR?

[richieelias]

I havent paid attention, I guess I need to, but at 20th level you are a lawful outsider and immune to hold person anyway. AFAIK neither is immune to hold monster.

If WF isnt immune to Hold Monster then that should be reported as a bug. WF is supposed to be immune to paralysis, not just hold person. Also immune to fatigue, exhaustion, and nausia.

[Feynt]

I'm guessing not since Barb DR doesn't stack with WF DR, but does Earth Stance stack with WF DR?

DR does not stack at all, with the exception of shield DR or specific cases where it states it does (such as the appropriate WF feat and enhancements which improve the Adamantine Body DR, and the appropriate non-boost enhancements for barbarians). If you had 3/Slash, 3/Adamantine, were a barb with 4/-, and blocked an attack with a +2 tower shield, you would only have a total DR of 10. The barb 4/- overrides the rest (hence why Adamantine Body is bad for barbs), and the 6 DR from the shield adds onto it. This is the draw of Shield Mastery and higher +'s on shields, blocking can effectively make you a hardened target against physical damage.

If WF isnt immune to Hold Monster then that should be reported as a bug. WF is supposed to be immune to paralysis, not just hold person. Also immune to fatigue, exhaustion, and nausia.

I haven't actually been hit by Hold Monster yet as a warforged, but I totally agree, and if it happens, I am bugging it.

[Drakons20]

Im aware.

But I just dont see it as a priority to be a wf, just a beholder hunter, or so it seems

But, either way, wf make good anything, if your prepared right

Find someone who spams Enervation or Level Drain and you'll be quite happy your a WF. If you like Brawls there nice too since every single mage will have Hold Person and Enervation. Say good bye Fleshy.

[Mobeius]

If WF isnt immune to Hold Monster then that should be reported as a bug. WF is supposed to be immune to paralysis, not just hold person. Also immune to fatigue, exhaustion, and nausia.

I didnt know that, hmmmm, learn more all the time.

[Cedwin]

Immune to poison, sleep effects, paralysis, disease, nausea, fatigue, exhaustion: As living constructs, warforged have a natural immunity to the sickened condition.

I think a WF is the way to go if you want to make an intimidation monk. You get warfarged brute fighting, which adds up to 25% more hate to your attacks. Combine that with a cleave or greater cleave and a high intimidation skill.

They also get WF power attack, that stacks with normal PA, or you could pick something other than PA now. You get WF DR, and WF Tactics, which should work with stunning fist now, I'm not sure about that one.

Grants an additional +1 bonus on the DC of your combat feats, bringing the total increase to 3. If this works on Quivering Palm and Stunning Fist, that's a good enough reason for me to try a WF monk.

[Dricul]

I started a WF monk, but I am not sure I set up the stats the best. Can I get some opinions on what starting stats should be? Do you think STR based w/ Earth and Wind strikes would work well? The +3 tactics would help with the lower WIS, but maybe using Trip and Stunning Blow would be better for him. I have 32pt builds unlocked

[Maegin]

Find someone who spams Enervation or Level Drain and you'll be quite happy your a WF. If you like Brawls there nice too since every single mage will have Hold Person and Enervation. Say good bye Fleshy.

PvP is a totally different topic. Wf are obviously ftw for that.

-2 WIS for a monk? harder time healing for a monk? overlaping immunities? Fatigue = potion?/monk ability (aka self lesser resto)

monks have ******** saves as is, too, and I have a small portion of WF with me at all times. Its called the WF neck- err sliver flame trinket.

But I do like the better power attack options! I did hear that on epic quests, some ppl had to actually turn off their power attack =/ in that case, waste of AP's....

I may not like WF monks, but I do respect them. and that's solid truth.